SCOTUS overturns Roe megathread (pg 53 - confirmed)

[I Will Not Be Wrong]

Is it possible they give the opinion earlier now that the cat is out of the bag? I read that next Monday is the next time they can give out opinions.

[Ferguson97]

Is it possible they give the opinion earlier now that the cat is out of the bag? I read that next Monday is the next time they can give out opinions.

I think it's pre-determined, they can't move it up.

[Fmr. Gov. NickG]

Is it possible they give the opinion earlier now that the cat is out of the bag? I read that next Monday is the next time they can give out opinions.

I wouldn’t expect the decision for at least another month.

[ibagli]

more leaks

Justice Samuel Alito’s sweeping and blunt draft majority opinion from February overturning Roe remains the court’s only circulated draft in the pending Mississippi abortion case, POLITICO has learned, and none of the conservative justices who initially sided with Alito have to date switched their votes. No dissenting draft opinions have circulated from any justice, including the three liberals.

That could explain why no second draft of Alito’s majority opinion has been distributed, as typically the two sides react to one another’s written arguments and recast their own.

[brucejoel99]

more leaks

Justice Samuel Alito’s sweeping and blunt draft majority opinion from February overturning Roe remains the court’s only circulated draft in the pending Mississippi abortion case, POLITICO has learned, and none of the conservative justices who initially sided with Alito have to date switched their votes. No dissenting draft opinions have circulated from any justice, including the three liberals.

That could explain why no second draft of Alito’s majority opinion has been distributed, as typically the two sides react to one another’s written arguments and recast their own.

No wonder a, if not the primary theory has been that the hardline conservatives are worried that one of their 5 (i.e., Kav) may flip to Roberts: they still don't even know just how much he may be tailoring his opinion for such a potential flip!!

[lfromnj]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/may/10/abortion-arson-attack-wisconsin-pro-choice-janes-revenge

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/may/10/abortion-arson-attack-wisconsin-pro-choice-janes-revenge

here's a thread about the group claiming responsibility, and their threat of future attacks:
https://twitter.com/IwriteOK/status/1523926941572550656?s=20&t=2GHraoLmElmsF...

[Person Man]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/may/10/abortion-arson-attack-wisconsin-pro-choice-janes-revenge

here's a thread about the group claiming responsibility, and their threat of future attacks:
https://twitter.com/IwriteOK/status/1523926941572550656?s=20&t=2GHraoLmElmsF...

They are already setting the stage for the cancelling of abortion rights to be the cancelling of all of our rights. Soon, we will be American Subjects, not American Citizens. ...but how weird would it be if the next 50 years were like the last 50 years but with the roles switched? It also doesn't surprise me that this is happening in Wisconsin, a state where the right-wing establishment has systemically shut out all opposing view points out of the legitimate political life in the state.

more leaks

Justice Samuel Alito’s sweeping and blunt draft majority opinion from February overturning Roe remains the court’s only circulated draft in the pending Mississippi abortion case, POLITICO has learned, and none of the conservative justices who initially sided with Alito have to date switched their votes. No dissenting draft opinions have circulated from any justice, including the three liberals.

That could explain why no second draft of Alito’s majority opinion has been distributed, as typically the two sides react to one another’s written arguments and recast their own.

No wonder a, if not the primary theory has been that the hardline conservatives are worried that one of their 5 (i.e., Kav) may flip to Roberts: they still don't even know just how much he may be tailoring his opinion for such a potential flip!!

So Kav and Roberts might still write an opinion where everyone else will dissent in part and concur in part from. This would actually be good politics if they did find a middle ground unless they really think that the opposition is completely spent and that the backlash wouldn't be greater if they just went with Alito's draft.

[GeorgiaModerate]

Republican Gov. Pete Ricketts of Nebraska said Sunday that he will call a special session of his state's legislature to pass a total ban on abortion if the Supreme Court overturns Roe v. Wade this term.

"Nebraska is a pro-life state. I believe life begins at conception, and those are babies too," Ricketts told CNN's Dana Bash on "State of the Union" when asked if he thought the state should require a young girl who was raped to carry the pregnancy to term. "If Roe v. Wade, which is a horrible constitutional decision, gets overturned by the Supreme Court, which we're hopeful of, here in Nebraska, we're going to take further steps to protect those preborn babies."

"Including in the case of rape or incest?" Bash asked. To which the governor replied: "They're still babies, too. Yes."

https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/15/politics/nebraska-abortion-ban-roe-v-wade-cnntv/index.html

[Yoda]

Republican Gov. Pete Ricketts of Nebraska said Sunday that he will call a special session of his state's legislature to pass a total ban on abortion if the Supreme Court overturns Roe v. Wade this term.

"Nebraska is a pro-life state. I believe life begins at conception, and those are babies too," Ricketts told CNN's Dana Bash on "State of the Union" when asked if he thought the state should require a young girl who was raped to carry the pregnancy to term. "If Roe v. Wade, which is a horrible constitutional decision, gets overturned by the Supreme Court, which we're hopeful of, here in Nebraska, we're going to take further steps to protect those preborn babies."

"Including in the case of rape or incest?" Bash asked. To which the governor replied: "They're still babies, too. Yes."

https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/15/politics/nebraska-abortion-ban-roe-v-wade-cnntv/index.html

"Some of you may die, but that is a sacrifice I am willing to make."

[Xeuma]

Protesters outside a reactionary nutjobs house: "Call the National Guard!!"
Protesters outside a women's clinic: "Freedom of Assembly!"

I think there's a very large difference between protesting outside someone's residence, which we generally deem sacrosanct, versus a public place of business.

[Badger]

Protesters outside a reactionary nutjobs house: "Call the National Guard!!"
Protesters outside a women's clinic: "Freedom of Assembly!"

I think there's a very large difference between protesting outside someone's residence, which we generally deem sacrosanct, versus a public place of business.

There is a distinction I'll Grant you. However, that's an ethical and moral distinction rather than a constitutional one. Regardless, the complete 180 flip that some extremely silly posters made regarding free speech over that relatively lesser distinction was at best comical, and at worst hackishly hypocritical.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

https://twitter.com/RVAwonk/status/1525131383919755266

[Yoda]

Protesters outside a reactionary nutjobs house: "Call the National Guard!!"
Protesters outside a women's clinic: "Freedom of Assembly!"

I think there's a very large difference between protesting outside someone's residence, which we generally deem sacrosanct, versus a public place of business.

There is a distinction I'll Grant you. However, that's an ethical and moral distinction rather than a constitutional one. Regardless, the complete 180 flip that some extremely silly posters made regarding free speech over that relatively lesser distinction was at best comical, and at worst hackishly hypocritical.

This, and there's the fact that SCOTUS has ruled that anti-choice protesters have the right to protest outside of the homes of abortion providers' employees, which I've yet to see any of our blue avatar friends disagree with, despite the anti-choice movement having such a violent record.

[Person Man]

Protesters outside a reactionary nutjobs house: "Call the National Guard!!"
Protesters outside a women's clinic: "Freedom of Assembly!"

I think there's a very large difference between protesting outside someone's residence, which we generally deem sacrosanct, versus a public place of business.

There is a distinction I'll Grant you. However, that's an ethical and moral distinction rather than a constitutional one. Regardless, the complete 180 flip that some extremely silly posters made regarding free speech over that relatively lesser distinction was at best comical, and at worst hackishly hypocritical.

This, and there's the fact that SCOTUS has ruled that anti-choice protesters have the right to protest outside of the homes of abortion providers' employees, which I've yet to see any of our blue avatar friends disagree with, despite the anti-choice movement having such a violent record.

Just a handful of posts above us, we can see some forum Republicans trying to frame secular dissent as some sort of violent anarchist/socialist insurrection.

[Xeuma]

Protesters outside a reactionary nutjobs house: "Call the National Guard!!"
Protesters outside a women's clinic: "Freedom of Assembly!"

I think there's a very large difference between protesting outside someone's residence, which we generally deem sacrosanct, versus a public place of business.

There is a distinction I'll Grant you. However, that's an ethical and moral distinction rather than a constitutional one. Regardless, the complete 180 flip that some extremely silly posters made regarding free speech over that relatively lesser distinction was at best comical, and at worst hackishly hypocritical.

This, and there's the fact that SCOTUS has ruled that anti-choice protesters have the right to protest outside of the homes of abortion providers' employees, which I've yet to see any of our blue avatar friends disagree with, despite the anti-choice movement having such a violent record.

They do have the right, but that doesn't make it any more unsavory.

[GeorgiaModerate]

Protesters outside a reactionary nutjobs house: "Call the National Guard!!"
Protesters outside a women's clinic: "Freedom of Assembly!"

I think there's a very large difference between protesting outside someone's residence, which we generally deem sacrosanct, versus a public place of business.

There is a distinction I'll Grant you. However, that's an ethical and moral distinction rather than a constitutional one. Regardless, the complete 180 flip that some extremely silly posters made regarding free speech over that relatively lesser distinction was at best comical, and at worst hackishly hypocritical.

This, and there's the fact that SCOTUS has ruled that anti-choice protesters have the right to protest outside of the homes of abortion providers' employees, which I've yet to see any of our blue avatar friends disagree with, despite the anti-choice movement having such a violent record.

They do have the right, but that doesn't make it any more unsavory.

There is a wide boundary zone of things that are lawful but unpleasant, distasteful, and/or morally questionable.  Some of those I'm OK with and some I'm not; everyone reading this likely has a different set that they're OK with.  But as long as they're lawful, then people do have a right to engage in them.

[Xeuma]

Protesters outside a reactionary nutjobs house: "Call the National Guard!!"
Protesters outside a women's clinic: "Freedom of Assembly!"

I think there's a very large difference between protesting outside someone's residence, which we generally deem sacrosanct, versus a public place of business.

There is a distinction I'll Grant you. However, that's an ethical and moral distinction rather than a constitutional one. Regardless, the complete 180 flip that some extremely silly posters made regarding free speech over that relatively lesser distinction was at best comical, and at worst hackishly hypocritical.

This, and there's the fact that SCOTUS has ruled that anti-choice protesters have the right to protest outside of the homes of abortion providers' employees, which I've yet to see any of our blue avatar friends disagree with, despite the anti-choice movement having such a violent record.

They do have the right, but that doesn't make it any more unsavory.

There is a wide boundary zone of things that are lawful but unpleasant, distasteful, and/or morally questionable.  Some of those I'm OK with and some I'm not; everyone reading this likely has a different set that they're OK with.  But as long as they're lawful, then people do have a right to engage in them.

Constitutionally maybe, but I find it extremely morally dubious you have the right to disturb a family or person in their home because they've done something you find perverse.

[WV222]

https://twitter.com/climatebrad/status/1528090671227232256?s=20&t=LTb0Iz5npQ...

https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/1527990111803252738?s=20&t=LTb0Iz5npQFVYe...

[lfromnj]

Nope, SCOTUS trolls us by never releasing the big ones till the end of the term.

[Person Man]

What if Roberts is able to      over Alito at the last moment? You know. The same way Suter and Kennedy did exactly 30 years ago. However, it appears that if they ever do it, they will now. They won’t get another chance for another 20 or 30 years.

[Skill and Chance]

Nope, SCOTUS trolls us by never releasing the big ones till the end of the term.

This might be a special case?  To prove they can't be intimidated?

[brucejoel99]

Nope, SCOTUS trolls us by never releasing the big ones till the end of the term.

This might be a special case?  To prove they can't be intimidated?

Alito isn't past the first draft. Neither Roberts' concurrence nor the liberals' dissent were in as of last week. It's impossible.

[Person Man]

Nope, SCOTUS trolls us by never releasing the big ones till the end of the term.

This might be a special case?  To prove they can't be intimidated?

Alito isn't past the first draft. Neither Roberts' concurrence nor the liberals' dissent were in as of last week. It's impossible.

Or Robert’s opinion and Alito’s concurrence.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

This is too much, violence in a Pandemic, it's not gonna do anything, the Decision is already made