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« Reply #375 on: March 15, 2023, 10:30:27 PM »

Wasn't it supposed to happen several months ago?
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« Reply #376 on: March 16, 2023, 10:15:38 AM »

Probably, this is Orban we are talking about after all.
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« Reply #377 on: March 16, 2023, 12:37:09 PM »
What's Orban's goal here? At least Erdogan is making it clear he's not "there yet" and needs more concessions, but what does this weird edging game actually get Orban??
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« Reply #378 on: March 17, 2023, 10:17:46 AM »
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« Reply #379 on: March 17, 2023, 11:02:46 AM »
So that is something, at least.
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« Reply #380 on: March 23, 2023, 05:38:56 AM »
That will likely checkmate Russia as Finland has the largest border with Russia (1300 km)
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« Reply #381 on: March 23, 2023, 08:24:47 AM »

Finland is almost in
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« Reply #382 on: March 23, 2023, 04:10:59 PM »
Hungary's parliament will vote on Finland's NATO accession on March 27th, but not on Sweden's:

Google translation of title: "Hungary will ratify the Finns' entry into NATO on March 27, Sweden will wait"

An English article from Hungary:
Parliament Votes on Finland and Sweden’s NATO Bids Separately
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« Reply #383 on: March 23, 2023, 04:43:20 PM »
What's Orban's beef with Sweden exactly? Erdogan's has been well documented but I wasn't clear that there were issues here too.
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« Reply #384 on: March 23, 2023, 04:49:49 PM »
« Edited: March 27, 2023, 02:25:25 PM by Oryxslayer »
Quote from: NUPES Enjoyer on March 23, 2023, 04:43:20 PM
What's Orban's beef with Sweden exactly? Erdogan's has been well documented but I wasn't clear that there were issues here too.

I think it's just postering in international politics to try and appease both his allies and his supporters. Orban doesn't want to be the last roadblock that gets NATO scorn, but also wants to be a hurdle and try to defend his skeptical position. So once Erdogan (or CHP if they get power in a few months) drop their reservations, he does as well.
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« Reply #385 on: March 27, 2023, 02:08:42 PM »
Hungary has finally ratified Finland's NATO admission. A vote over Sweden wasn't held.
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« Reply #386 on: March 27, 2023, 02:54:39 PM »
Quote from: President Johnson on March 27, 2023, 02:08:42 PM
Hungary has finally ratified Finland's NATO admission. A vote over Sweden wasn't held.

The Hungarian Parliament voted 182 to 6, lol
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« Reply #387 on: March 27, 2023, 02:58:21 PM »
« Edited: March 28, 2023, 12:08:35 PM by NUPES Enjoyer »
So when is the Turkey vote expected?
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« Reply #388 on: March 27, 2023, 03:42:55 PM »

I read they will try to get it in before they adjourn for campaign season.
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« Reply #389 on: March 29, 2023, 02:38:44 PM »
"Turkey Set to Approve Finland’s NATO Membership on Thursday"
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« Reply #390 on: March 30, 2023, 12:17:40 PM »
So the thread title will be accurate after all, if a year late.
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« Reply #391 on: March 30, 2023, 01:45:47 PM »
« Edited: March 30, 2023, 02:02:50 PM by Storr »
"According to an Yle correspondent in Ankara, the vote will likely be held after 10pm, following a debate about veterans' pensions. The session resumed around 8pm after a Ramadan dinner break known as iftar.

The Parliament confirmed the day's agenda in the early afternoon."

source: https://yle.fi/a/74-20025032

It is currently 9:45 pm in Ankara.
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« Reply #392 on: March 30, 2023, 04:15:22 PM »
"276 MPs voted for Finland's membership, and none voted against.

Members of parliament from the pro-Kurdish HDP party abstained from voting."

https://yle.fi/a/74-20025001/64-3-145570?utm_medium=social&utm_source=copy-link-share
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« Reply #393 on: March 30, 2023, 04:23:58 PM »
After tomorrow we'll only need Erdogan's signature and Turkey to deposit it's ratification of Finland's accession in Washington:

Hungary's President gave assent on Tuesday.



Hungary will deposit its ratification of Finland's NATO accession tomorrow, the 31st.

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« Reply #394 on: March 30, 2023, 04:52:17 PM »
Wonderful news. At long last, we can officially say that Putin's wanton aggression against Ukraine has been a strategic disaster for Russia and reinforced Europe's geopolitical cohesion. Hopefully Sweden will soon follow suit, and NATO and Europe will be stronger than ever to face the authoritarian menace.
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« Reply #395 on: March 30, 2023, 05:40:27 PM »
Happy for Finland.

By vote at least it looks like France had the most votes against them joining.

Although Turkey and Hungary were probably the actual closest to rejecting them.
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« Reply #396 on: March 30, 2023, 06:34:37 PM »
Congrats to Finland!

Now, Sweden's application must be quickly approved. Hungary and Turkey need to stop playing around.
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« Reply #397 on: March 30, 2023, 06:55:03 PM »
Good for Finland to finally make it official and join the West militarily.  Finland always has been more like us anyway than to those authoritarians to the east.  Perhaps “Finlandization” can mean something new now.
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« Reply #398 on: March 30, 2023, 07:21:07 PM »
Cope and seethe Ruskies lol
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« Reply #399 on: March 30, 2023, 09:43:25 PM »
Quote from: ηєω ƒяσηтιєя on March 30, 2023, 06:34:37 PM
Congrats to Finland!

Now, Sweden's application must be quickly approved. Hungary and Turkey need to stop playing around.

I suspect that won't happen until after the Turkish elections, but probably will no matter the outcome, albeit through different justifications. .
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