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Asenath Waite
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« on: April 19, 2022, 06:17:25 PM »

Lean FF though I disapprove of targeting civilians.
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« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2022, 02:28:36 PM »

Is this some kind of joke?
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« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2022, 12:10:33 PM »


No, it’s hard to argue their cause was unjust unless your a British imperialist. The tactics they deployed on the other hand were at times undeniably morally abhorrent.
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« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2022, 02:08:57 PM »


No, it’s hard to argue their cause was unjust unless your a British imperialist. The tactics they deployed on the other hand were at times undeniably morally abhorrent.

Uh, it absolutely is not hard. A majority of Northern Irish residents support remaining in the UK and oppose being uniting with Ireland. Respecting popular sovereignty = opposing the IRA.
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« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2022, 02:15:58 PM »


No, it’s hard to argue their cause was unjust unless your a British imperialist. The tactics they deployed on the other hand were at times undeniably morally abhorrent.

I don't really give a sh**t about how "worthy" their cause was given their tactics mostly consisted of killing and maiming innocent civilians. The Northern Irish Catholics had very legitimate problems, but the IRA were no better than any other terrorist group.
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« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2022, 02:26:14 PM »

Several quite distinct organisations in the modern history of Ireland have called themselves the IRA. Which one do you mean?
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« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2022, 03:17:14 PM »

Mixed (normal, sane)

FF. Ooh ahh up the rah! ooh ahh up the rah! ooh ahh up the rah! (On bender, still on Erin Express)
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« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2022, 04:53:42 PM »

Very bad
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« Reply #8 on: April 28, 2022, 06:19:54 PM »

The original IRA are literal FFs.
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« Reply #9 on: April 28, 2022, 06:28:26 PM »

Sad that they only got one Thatcher.
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« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2022, 11:04:11 PM »

Necessary
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« Reply #11 on: May 10, 2022, 03:55:58 AM »


No, it’s hard to argue their cause was unjust unless your a British imperialist. The tactics they deployed on the other hand were at times undeniably morally abhorrent.

Uh, it absolutely is not hard. A majority of Northern Irish residents support remaining in the UK and oppose being uniting with Ireland. Respecting popular sovereignty = opposing the IRA.
There hasn’t been an actual referendum here unfortunately so we can’t really say for sure, but it’s a lot tighter than it was a few years ago.
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« Reply #12 on: May 10, 2022, 08:54:33 AM »

It's a better alternative than a traditional pension because it doesn't concentrate retirement risk in the future stability of one company and also encourages the employee to understand investing and the financial market.
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« Reply #13 on: May 10, 2022, 09:43:49 AM »

It's a better alternative than a traditional pension because it doesn't concentrate retirement risk in the future stability of one company and also encourages the employee to understand investing and the financial market.

based & safe-&-secured-retirementpilled
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« Reply #14 on: May 10, 2022, 11:02:24 AM »

Definition of FF goals but HP methods. However, objectively FF songs.

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« Reply #15 on: May 10, 2022, 09:20:42 PM »

For "the IRA had FF goals" people: Why is it FF to try and impose minority government on a majority that wants to be part of another country?
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« Reply #16 on: May 10, 2022, 11:13:49 PM »
« Edited: May 10, 2022, 11:18:28 PM by Paul Pauley »

For "the IRA had FF goals" people: Why is it FF to try and impose minority government on a majority that wants to be part of another country?
Mayotte wanted - and still wants - to remain part of France. Doesn't stop those ***** at the UN from passing dozens of resolutions calling it "Question of the Comorian island of Mayotte".
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« Reply #17 on: May 11, 2022, 01:46:33 AM »

For "the IRA had FF goals" people: Why is it FF to try and impose minority government on a majority that wants to be part of another country?

Don't act so cocky. The Irish nationalist party got the most seats in the assembly election for the first time ever just a few days ago, and in the last general elections the Nationalists and Unionists tied (before, it has always been a Unionist majority). The tide is definitely turning.
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« Reply #18 on: May 11, 2022, 02:31:25 AM »
« Edited: May 11, 2022, 02:51:29 AM by Statilius the Epicurean »

For "the IRA had FF goals" people: Why is it FF to try and impose minority government on a majority that wants to be part of another country?

Don't act so cocky. The Irish nationalist party got the most seats in the assembly election for the first time ever just a few days ago, and in the last general elections the Nationalists and Unionists tied (before, it has always been a Unionist majority). The tide is definitely turning.

The nationalist vote went down in the recent Assembly election, and the unionist vote continues to be larger. SF only topped the poll because DUP shed votes to Alliance and TUV. The recent trend in polling has been declining support for a united Ireland.

The sad legacy of the Provisional IRA is that they helped wreck the society and economy of Northern Ireland and poisoned the idea of Irish unification for generations of people both in the north and south. And while I personally support a united Ireland, it is not a "good cause" to attempt to bomb people into a country they have expressed a wish not to be a part of.
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« Reply #19 on: May 11, 2022, 10:59:26 AM »
« Edited: May 11, 2022, 11:08:38 AM by Cashew »

For "the IRA had FF goals" people: Why is it FF to try and impose minority government on a majority that wants to be part of another country?

Don't act so cocky. The Irish nationalist party got the most seats in the assembly election for the first time ever just a few days ago, and in the last general elections the Nationalists and Unionists tied (before, it has always been a Unionist majority). The tide is definitely turning.

The nationalist vote went down in the recent Assembly election, and the unionist vote continues to be larger. SF only topped the poll because DUP shed votes to Alliance and TUV. The recent trend in polling has been declining support for a united Ireland.

The sad legacy of the Provisional IRA is that they helped wreck the society and economy of Northern Ireland and poisoned the idea of Irish unification for generations of people both in the north and south. And while I personally support a united Ireland, it is not a "good cause" to attempt to bomb people into a country they have expressed a wish not to be a part of.

Wrecked relative to what? The disaster it is today is still leagues better than the state sponsored discrimination of the first half century. Yes hurt the economy sure, but this seems to make the  out to be more of a cause rather than the result of northern irish society and the crushing of the civil rights movement.
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« Reply #20 on: May 11, 2022, 11:06:05 AM »

That's largely to the credit of a very different set of Nationalist political activists and not to the (P)IRA, who were a major obstacle to it for the bulk of the civil war - along, of course, with a majority of Unionist politicians, we shouldn't forget that part.
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« Reply #21 on: May 11, 2022, 11:14:52 AM »

That's largely to the credit of a very different set of Nationalist political activists and not to the (P)IRA, who were a major obstacle to it for the bulk of the civil war - along, of course, with a majority of Unionist politicians, we shouldn't forget that part.

My contention is with the term wrecked, call it a quibble if you like, but it can be read the wrong way by somebody not having the appropriate context, and overestimates the impact of their political violence on a society that already experience plenty of unionist violence.
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« Reply #22 on: May 11, 2022, 11:54:01 AM »

To be fair, in the "first half century" most politically aware NI Catholics still fantasised about Dublin Rule and Rome Rule.
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« Reply #23 on: May 11, 2022, 12:51:55 PM »
« Edited: May 11, 2022, 01:05:33 PM by Statilius the Epicurean »

For "the IRA had FF goals" people: Why is it FF to try and impose minority government on a majority that wants to be part of another country?

Don't act so cocky. The Irish nationalist party got the most seats in the assembly election for the first time ever just a few days ago, and in the last general elections the Nationalists and Unionists tied (before, it has always been a Unionist majority). The tide is definitely turning.

The nationalist vote went down in the recent Assembly election, and the unionist vote continues to be larger. SF only topped the poll because DUP shed votes to Alliance and TUV. The recent trend in polling has been declining support for a united Ireland.

The sad legacy of the Provisional IRA is that they helped wreck the society and economy of Northern Ireland and poisoned the idea of Irish unification for generations of people both in the north and south. And while I personally support a united Ireland, it is not a "good cause" to attempt to bomb people into a country they have expressed a wish not to be a part of.

Wrecked relative to what? The disaster it is today is still leagues better than the state sponsored discrimination of the first half century. Yes hurt the economy sure, but this seems to make the  out to be more of a cause rather than the result of northern irish society and the crushing of the civil rights movement.

The objective of the Provisional IRA's armed campaign was to collapse the British state in Northern Ireland. It had nothing to do with civil rights: the PIRA were convinced, quite reasonably from their point of view, that rights for Catholics achieved within the UK would weaken physical force republicanism, therefore they deliberately worked to derail cross-community powersharing in the Sunningdale Agreement with bombings. I agree that Northern Ireland is a more equal society than it was in the 60s, and that is a significant achievement, but the IRA were a major obstacle to that for decades.

And yes, I also agree that unionist violence deserves the lion's share of the blame for the failure of the civil rights campaign and the first attempt at powersharing. Was keeping myself to the thread question.
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« Reply #24 on: May 11, 2022, 03:44:17 PM »

For "the IRA had FF goals" people: Why is it FF to try and impose minority government on a majority that wants to be part of another country?

Don't act so cocky. The Irish nationalist party got the most seats in the assembly election for the first time ever just a few days ago, and in the last general elections the Nationalists and Unionists tied (before, it has always been a Unionist majority). The tide is definitely turning.

When the IRA was fighting in the 1980s, a majority unambiguously wanted to stay in Britain. Even if that changes after the fact, it was still unjust for the IRA to use force to try to subject the majority during the Troubles.
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