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« Reply #350 on: June 13, 2022, 02:00:53 PM »


Excellent map, thank you.
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« Reply #351 on: June 13, 2022, 02:03:50 PM »
« Edited: June 13, 2022, 02:07:13 PM by Harlow »

Is it possible to get a breakdown of the 11 NUPES dissidents? Ie are they mostly ex-Socialist Party MP’s or something else?

There's at least one PCF dissident, in the 11th district of Seine-Saint-Denis. Not sure if there are others.

Edit: There's another PCF dissident in the 4th district of SSD. I think it's marked incorrectly on the map above, however. A PCF candidate supported by NUPES placed first, while the dissident candidate placed second. The map shows an outright win for a NUPES dissident.
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« Reply #352 on: June 13, 2022, 02:29:04 PM »
« Edited: June 14, 2022, 06:44:47 PM by MRCVzla »

Is it possible to get a breakdown of the 11 NUPES dissidents? Ie are they mostly ex-Socialist Party MP’s or something else?

There's at least one PCF dissident, in the 11th district of Seine-Saint-Denis. Not sure if there are others.

There is other PCF dissident also in Seine-Saint-Denis (4th district)
According Le Monde data, the list of districts where "divers gauche" and/or PS dissidents qualified to 2° round in the "métropole" is:
Leading:
Charente-Maritime 1st (Olivier Falorni, PRG incumbent)
Gers 2nd
Meurthe-et-Moselle 5th (Dominique Potier, incumbent originally endorsed by NUPES)
Pyrénées-Atlantiques 3th (David Habib, incumbent, Ensemble not fielded a candidate in this district)
Qualified in 2° place:
Ariège 2nd
Nord 3th
Pas-de-Calais 8th
Paris 15th (Lamia El Aaraje)
Qualified in 3° place (triangulaire):
Lot 2nd

Plus incumbents Hervé Saulignac (Ardèche 1st) and Joël Aviragnet (Haute-Garonne 8th) who also were dis-endorsed by the NUPES.
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« Reply #353 on: June 13, 2022, 02:41:33 PM »
« Edited: June 13, 2022, 02:51:39 PM by Oryxslayer »

Is it possible to get a breakdown of the 11 NUPES dissidents? Ie are they mostly ex-Socialist Party MP’s or something else?

There's at least one PCF dissident, in the 11th district of Seine-Saint-Denis. Not sure if there are others.

Edit: There's another PCF dissident in the 4th district of SSD. I think it's marked incorrectly on the map above, however. A PCF candidate supported by NUPES placed first, while the dissident candidate placed second. The map shows an outright win for a NUPES dissident.

Fixed. That was accidently added by a misclick I missed when I updated the map to fix a few errors that I missed last night. That's the Taibi - Bourouha seat.
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« Reply #354 on: June 13, 2022, 03:34:47 PM »

Is it possible to get a breakdown of the 11 NUPES dissidents? Ie are they mostly ex-Socialist Party MP’s or something else?

Actual dissidents I can count in metro France:

David Habib, PS incumbent in Pyrénées-Atlantiques-3. Leads with 36.6%, runoff against NUPES (20.6%). No presidential majority candidate.

David Taupiac, PS dissident in Gers-2. Leads with 24.2%, runoff against LREM (19.4%). Heir of retiring three-term PS incumbent Gisèle Biémouret, among the dissidents supported by regional president Carole Delga, opposed to the NUPES.

Christophe Proença, PS dissident in Lot-2. In third place with 23.2% behind NUPES (23.7%) and LREM incumbent (23.7%) but qualified for a triangulaire. Supported by Carole Delga and former deputy and former PS Midi-Pyrénées regional president Martin Malvy. Will he withdraw? The tradition of désistement républicain wants the weaker left-wing candidate to withdraw from the runoff in favour of the leading left-wing candidate, but this tradition has been broken increasingly often.

Laurent Panifous, PS dissident in Ariège-2. Trails with 21.8%, runoff against 29.1% for the LFI-NUPES incumbent. Among those supported by Carole Delga.

Dominique Potier, PS incumbent in Meurthe-et-Moselle-5. Leads with 44%, runoff against RN (27.4%). Supported by the NUPES, but he refused the label. Labelled as DVG by the MOI.

Olivier Falorni, PRG incumbent in Charente-Maritime-1. Leads with 29%, runoff against NUPES (23.4%). Forever famous as the guy who defeated Ségolène in that epic election in 2012. Not really a dissident as he doesn't sit in the Socialist group - he is in the catch-all Libertés et territoires group - and defines himself as 'free and independent' who is neither in the opposition or with the government. Marie Nédellec, DVG candidate supported by Jean-François Fountaine, the DVG mayor of La Rochelle (who narrowly defeated Falorni in the 2020 municipal election), won 7.4%.

Bertrand Petit, PS dissident in Pas-de-Calais-8. Trails with 22.5%, runoff against RN (27.5%). Vice-president of the departmental council and local mayor. The LREM incumbent was eliminated, finishing third.

Benjamin Saint-Huile, PS dissident in Nord-3. Trails with 18.7%, runoff against RN (31.2%). Mayor of Jeumont, president of the Maubeuge agglomeration and regional councillor.

Azzédine Taïbi, PCF dissident in Seine-Saint-Denis-4. Trails with 21.4%, runoff against NUPES (36.1%), whose candidate is also from the PCF (the retiring deputy is Marie-George Buffet, the PCF's 2007 presidential candidate). He is the mayor of Stains and departmental councillor. The official NUPES-PCF candidate was Buffet's suppléante.

Virginie de Carvalho, PCF dissident in Seine-Saint-Denis-11. Trails with 15.2%, runoff against NUPES incumbent Clémentine Autain (46.2%). She is the first deputy to François Asensi, the DVG (ex-PCF) mayor of Tremblay-en-France since 1991 and former deputy until 2017. Asensi had supported Autain, his former suppléante, in 2017 but not this year. Also supported by Stéphane Gatignon, the former mayor of Sevran (ex-EELV).

Lamia El Aaraje, PS dissident in Paris-15. Trails with 17.9%, runoff against NUPES (47.3%). Famous case and controversy which has been discussed before.

Bizarre cases:

Joël Aviragnet, PS incumbent in Haute-Garonne-8. Leads with 28.7%, runoff against RN (21.8%). Very close to Carole Delga, who supported him and served on his campaign. Was initially the NUPES candidate, but was dis-endorsed, at least by LFI and EELV, in favour of a EELV dissident (who won 17.5%). His campaign lit used the NUPES logo but not as prominently as most NUPES candidates... For this reason, the MOI counted him as DVG, not NUPES.

Hervé Saulignac, PS incumbent in Ardèche-1. Leads with 38.3%, runoff with RN (23.3%). Officially supported by NUPES initially, but he is very lukewarm towards them, so the MOI counted him as DVG for this reason. His campaign lit did not use any logos, or even any of the NUPES' colours, and just presented him as the 'candidate of the PS and the left united'.

Valérie Rabault, PS incumbent in Tarn-et-Garonne-2. Leads with 33.3%, runoff against RN (22.4%). President of the PS group in the National Assembly since 2018, claims to have refused the prime ministership in May. Officially labelled as NUPES by the MOI, but basically dis-endorsed by LFI and the PCF, who refused to support her. She did not use the NUPES logo in her campaign lit or posters, but did use the V in her first name stylized exactly like the V in the NUPES logo...

Some defeats:

Jérôme Lambert, ex-PS incumbent in Charente-3 since 1997 and grand-nephew of François Mitterrand. Defeated with 17.9% in fourth, with NUPES in third (19.5%) and also not qualified, so a seat lost for the left. Lambert has been a pretty useless deputy in spite of being there forever and also controversial: besides some scandals, he also was one of the few PS deputies to vote against same-sex marriage and adoption in 2013, he supported the Manif pour tous nonsense and raised eyebrows for his trips to Syria to meet Bashar el-Assad in 2015 or his 'election observation' trips with far-rightists to Russia and Crimea. Given these controversies, many LGBT+ activists and members of LFI and EELV strongly opposed his initial endorsement by NUPES and he was finally not endorsed by the PS and hence the NUPES.

Sylvie Tolmont, PS incumbent in Sarthe-4. Defeated in fourth (15.5%), with NUPES leading (21.9%) the RN (21.3%).

Sylvia Pinel, PRG incumbent and former cabinet minister in Tarn-et-Garonne-2. Defeated in third (20.2%), though ahead of NUPES (18.9%), creating a RN-LREM runoff.

In Sarthe-2, PS incumbent Marietta Karamanli is leading and the runaway favourite (36.5%). Not too keen on the NUPES - she didn't use its logos in her campaign lit - she did easily beat a PS dissident candidacy backed by Stéphane Le Foll (6.7%)
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« Reply #355 on: June 13, 2022, 03:45:02 PM »

Also noteworthy: in Montpellier, where the left is famous for pretty insane infighting for like a decade now, the PS dissident candidate in the 2nd constituency (bizarrely gerrymandered constituency that is a left-wing stronghold), Fatima Bellaredj, backed by the PS mayor of Montpellier Michaël Delafosse, won only 11.9% and finished third. She also had the support of Carole Delga and most of the old local PS apparatchiks like Kléber Mesquida, president of the departmental council. The official NUPES candidate won 40.4% and will win against LREM in the runoff easily. The ex-LFI incumbent Muriel Ressiguier also ran as a dissident after she was refused the LFI endorsement because she faces workplace harassment complaints, and won just 5% (she also seems to have been on bad terms with LFI because of old disagreements in the madly insane 2020 municipal elections).

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« Reply #356 on: June 13, 2022, 04:01:19 PM »

Was the 25.66% disappointing for the Nupes?
It's smaller than the sum the parties that built the Nupes had in 2017.
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« Reply #357 on: June 13, 2022, 04:24:51 PM »

Valérie Rabault, PS incumbent in Tarn-et-Garonne-2. Leads with 33.3%, runoff against RN (22.4%). President of the PS group in the National Assembly since 2018, claims to have refused the prime ministership in May. Officially labelled as NUPES by the MOI, but basically dis-endorsed by LFI and the PCF, who refused to support her. She did not use the NUPES logo in her campaign lit or posters, but did use the V in her first name stylized exactly like the V in the NUPES logo...
Do you know why this happened? Everything I can find seems paywalled.
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« Reply #358 on: June 13, 2022, 04:45:07 PM »

Valérie Rabault, PS incumbent in Tarn-et-Garonne-2. Leads with 33.3%, runoff against RN (22.4%). President of the PS group in the National Assembly since 2018, claims to have refused the prime ministership in May. Officially labelled as NUPES by the MOI, but basically dis-endorsed by LFI and the PCF, who refused to support her. She did not use the NUPES logo in her campaign lit or posters, but did use the V in her first name stylized exactly like the V in the NUPES logo...
Do you know why this happened? Everything I can find seems paywalled.

She is the leader of the Socialist Group in the Assembly and pretends it would be backstabbing her colleagues to be in a deal where some of her colleagues weren't accepted.
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« Reply #359 on: June 13, 2022, 04:57:21 PM »

Valérie Rabault, PS incumbent in Tarn-et-Garonne-2. Leads with 33.3%, runoff against RN (22.4%). President of the PS group in the National Assembly since 2018, claims to have refused the prime ministership in May. Officially labelled as NUPES by the MOI, but basically dis-endorsed by LFI and the PCF, who refused to support her. She did not use the NUPES logo in her campaign lit or posters, but did use the V in her first name stylized exactly like the V in the NUPES logo...
Do you know why this happened? Everything I can find seems paywalled.

She's also the first seat, not the second, and will almost certainly win given the potential lack of and RN transfers in this part of the world.
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« Reply #360 on: June 13, 2022, 05:46:34 PM »

Was the 25.66% disappointing for the Nupes?
It's smaller than the sum the parties that built the Nupes had in 2017.

No it's not? PS, PCF and FI together had 21.19% while the loose "Ecologist" label (which was scattered between EELV and a bunch of other parties, some of which are with Macron now) got 4.3%, so at most we're talking 25.49%. But that's obviously not a sound way to count. The aggregate left+ecologists today is at 32.03%, compared to 27.56% in 2017.
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« Reply #361 on: June 14, 2022, 09:01:16 AM »

Was the 25.66% disappointing for the Nupes?
It's smaller than the sum the parties that built the Nupes had in 2017.

No it's not? PS, PCF and FI together had 21.19% while the loose "Ecologist" label (which was scattered between EELV and a bunch of other parties, some of which are with Macron now) got 4.3%, so at most we're talking 25.49%. But that's obviously not a sound way to count. The aggregate left+ecologists today is at 32.03%, compared to 27.56% in 2017.

Yeah, and compared to what appeared overwhelmingly likely *just a few months ago*.....
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« Reply #362 on: June 14, 2022, 10:55:11 AM »

Was the 25.66% disappointing for the Nupes?
It's smaller than the sum the parties that built the Nupes had in 2017.

No it's not? PS, PCF and FI together had 21.19% while the loose "Ecologist" label (which was scattered between EELV and a bunch of other parties, some of which are with Macron now) got 4.3%, so at most we're talking 25.49%. But that's obviously not a sound way to count. The aggregate left+ecologists today is at 32.03%, compared to 27.56% in 2017.

On the flip side, a lot of those labelled as 'écologistes' now are probably not really left-wing, or their electorate is not really left-wing - it includes the various 'centrist'/'apolitical' scam greens like Governatori's current bunch of cranks and misfits (Écologie au centre), with their soft anti-vaxx rhetoric, allied this time with Corinne Lepage's Cap21 and a remnant faction of the UDE (remember them?), as well as 'Tous Unis pour le Vivant' which includes Waechter's old MEI, the old scammy right-wing 'Le Trèfle' and various animalist groups. The former made a point of running where NUPES candidates weren't from EELV and the latter claims to have won a bit over 100,000 votes. Both can generally can get a fair amount of votes from random low-info voters who see their green-coloured ballot papers, or who like the sound of 'apolitical centrist ecologists!', so not particularly left-wing people.

You also have the Animalist Party, which is legitimate and not a scam, but whose electorate is really not all that similar to the traditional left-wing urban EELV electorate and really screams out 'disgruntled protest voters who think animals are cute' (their best results all came from northern France), not really easily classifiable as left-wing. They claim over 255,700 votes.

As for NUPES' results, they're good in the current context but not particularly amazing. Mélenchon, Jadot, Roussel and Hidalgo won 30.6% in April, and the NUPES result alone is comparable to the 2017 totals, which, obviously, weren't particularly good. I think a lot of people have just gotten so used to the left being hopelessly divided and losing badly in nearly every election in the past 5+ years that the result of the united left looks more amazing than it really is - although, well, at least in terms of seats, their result will be amazing compared to what the left has become accustomed to since 2015, and particularly compared to 2017 (when the left lost seats they had no business losing and stupidly missed out on many runoffs because they all insisted on running alone), and definitely a good base from which to rebuild the left into a winning force (I'm not betting on that though).
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« Reply #363 on: June 14, 2022, 01:01:25 PM »
« Edited: June 14, 2022, 01:09:25 PM by Oryxslayer »


SNIP

As for NUPES' results, they're good in the current context but not particularly amazing. Mélenchon, Jadot, Roussel and Hidalgo won 30.6% in April, and the NUPES result alone is comparable to the 2017 totals, which, obviously, weren't particularly good. I think a lot of people have just gotten so used to the left being hopelessly divided and losing badly in nearly every election in the past 5+ years that the result of the united left looks more amazing than it really is - although, well, at least in terms of seats, their result will be amazing compared to what the left has become accustomed to since 2015, and particularly compared to 2017 (when the left lost seats they had no business losing and stupidly missed out on many runoffs because they all insisted on running alone), and definitely a good base from which to rebuild the left into a winning force (I'm not betting on that though).

Obviously if we get some round 2 polling or projection data in the coming days then this take will change, but right now it's highly likely that NUPES round 1 success is a mirage - precisely because their overall percentages haven't moved much since 2017 and 2022 round 1. In a lot of their runoffs I have looked at almost all potential sources of transfers are exhausted because they consolidated in round 1 to get so many candidates through. That's not a bad thing, the total left-aligned parties should more than double their seat count from 2017, but that doesn't achieve any loftier ambitions besides rescuing each faction from obscurity. Comparatively, the outcome should end up resembling 2017 in a way, just with NUPES and LR+ trading places.

The only real way this changes, barring dramatic changes in the electorate, is if NUPES can win over a comparatively significantly greater share of RN voters in their runoffs with Ensemble. Realistically we have no data on this situation beyond the polls from the presidential round 1 which had multiple hypnotical runoffs, and these are mere apples that we can try to compare to current oranges. Usually Macron was defeating Melenchon by the same amount or slightly greater than he was defeating Le Pen. Which suggests RN voters choose Macron marginally, likely with a large abstention rate similar to what Melenchon voters actually did in Round 2. Obviously there will be geographical variance to the RN electorate, abstention, and some voters of all eliminated parties will just go for non-Ensemble to "stick it to Macron." Unless there is a secret reserve of NUPES voters they will just find themselves losing a lot of runoffs as the elderly and/or wealthy Round 1 LR+ voters (with nothing better to do) show up and cast yellow ballots against the left.
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« Reply #364 on: June 14, 2022, 01:26:47 PM »

And just like that we get a seat estimate. This doesn't have any percentage figures because, well those don't exactly matter.



Looking back at the last cycle, it seems we will be getting one of these from every major outlet. Though looking at this 2017 data, I am skeptical of their accuracy when compared to the pre-round 1 models which seem to have been within the ballpark of the final results. Was it just hype, or an undershooting of more reliable LR+ older voters...

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« Reply #365 on: June 14, 2022, 01:29:20 PM »


SNIP

As for NUPES' results, they're good in the current context but not particularly amazing. Mélenchon, Jadot, Roussel and Hidalgo won 30.6% in April, and the NUPES result alone is comparable to the 2017 totals, which, obviously, weren't particularly good. I think a lot of people have just gotten so used to the left being hopelessly divided and losing badly in nearly every election in the past 5+ years that the result of the united left looks more amazing than it really is - although, well, at least in terms of seats, their result will be amazing compared to what the left has become accustomed to since 2015, and particularly compared to 2017 (when the left lost seats they had no business losing and stupidly missed out on many runoffs because they all insisted on running alone), and definitely a good base from which to rebuild the left into a winning force (I'm not betting on that though).

Obviously if we get some round 2 polling or projection data in the coming days then this take will change, but right now it's highly likely that NUPES round 1 success is a mirage - precisely because their overall percentages haven't moved much since 2017 and 2022 round 1. In a lot of their runoffs I have looked at almost all potential sources of transfers are exhausted because they consolidated in round 1 to get so many candidates through. That's not a bad thing, the total left-aligned parties should more than double their seat count from 2017, but that doesn't achieve any loftier ambitions besides rescuing each faction from obscurity. Comparatively, the outcome should end up resembling 2017 in a way, just with NUPES and LR+ trading places.

The only real way this changes, barring dramatic changes in the electorate, is if NUPES can win over a comparatively significantly greater share of RN voters in their runoffs with Ensemble. Realistically we have no data on this situation beyond the polls from the presidential round 1 which had multiple hypnotical runoffs, and these are mere apples that we can try to compare to current oranges. Usually Macron was defeating Melenchon by the same amount or slightly greater than he was defeating Le Pen. Which suggests RN voters choose Macron marginally, likely with a large abstention rate similar to what Melenchon voters actually did in Round 2. Obviously there will be geographical variance to the RN electorate, abstention, and some voters of all eliminated parties will just go for non-Ensemble to "stick it to Macron." Unless there is a secret reserve of NUPES voters they will just find themselves losing a lot of runoffs as the elderly and/or wealthy Round 1 LR+ voters (with nothing better to do) show up and cast yellow ballots against the left.

I think in a bunch of seats there are various minor Left candidates that ran and won some votes so NUPES have some room to grow in the second round for some seats.  Also, NUPES's great hope for the second round has to be the mirror hope Len Pen had for the Prez second-round election.  Namely, Le Pen had to hope that the  Mélenchon vote was not a mostly Left-wing vote but an anti-system vote.  The vote share she got in the second round proved her hope was partially correct but not enough for her to win.  Now NUPES has to hope that the RN vote is not just a Right win vote but also an anti-system vote.  I suspect NUPES's hope will be partially realized and potentially deprive ENS of a majority.
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« Reply #366 on: June 14, 2022, 01:53:25 PM »

SNIP

I think in a bunch of seats there are various minor Left candidates that ran and won some votes so NUPES have some room to grow in the second round for some seats.  Also, NUPES's great hope for the second round has to be the mirror hope Len Pen had for the Prez second-round election.  Namely, Le Pen had to hope that the  Mélenchon vote was not a mostly Left-wing vote but an anti-system vote.  The vote share she got in the second round proved her hope was partially correct but not enough for her to win.  Now NUPES has to hope that the RN vote is not just a Right win vote but also an anti-system vote.  I suspect NUPES's hope will be partially realized and potentially deprive ENS of a majority.

Obviously seats are their own individual cases. In some places there are minor leftists which will offer NUPEs some votes, in others there arn't. In some places we can say confidently that RN voters who turn out will go for NUPES (think Nord) and in others for Ensemble (think south coast) in those matches. Just like there are geographies where Ensemble voters break for RN in their matchups with NUPES, or where Ensemble goes for NUPES over LR+. In the end though, all the constituency checking averaged out to something resembling a preference for ideological proximity. And that as what Melenchon voters did Presidentially in the end, going 42% to 13% for Macron based on exit poll estimates. Right now it would be safer to bet on large abstention among the majority rather than casting an aggressive anti-Macron vote in these situations, given that is what Le Pen endorsed and that is what voters tend to do in the runoffs.

In case you can't tell I am disappointed Harris did not include their transfer estimates in their model...
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« Reply #367 on: June 14, 2022, 03:27:05 PM »



We have in effect a sixth candidate that can be declared elected.
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« Reply #368 on: June 14, 2022, 04:10:12 PM »

Interesting results. Both Ensembles and NUPES underperformed slightly, but are well within the margin of error. Particularly pitiful result for Ensemble, as they're barely ahead (according to the Interior Ministry's results - Le Monde, which uses more sensible categories, actually has NUPES slightly ahead) but their result is historically weak for a presidential party. RN didn't really overperform its polling, but the fact that it didn't underperform them is notable, and might have major implications for the runoff. The traditional right is the only force that overperformed (although even then, just by a couple points when all is said and done) and they will remain a presence in the coming legislature, which was far from a given.

The runoffs will be a mess. I've been spending the evening compiling a map of the runoff situations in each constituency, and I've had to use so many different colors that even I can't keep track. I'll have to refine it and use cruder categories to have any chance of making sense of it, but either way, that means this is still wide open. It seems there's a real chance of depriving Ensemble of an absolute majority, though, which would make the next 5 years a lot more interesting than we might have expected (in addition to being, frankly, better for democracy, since it's patently obvious today that Ensemble has no national mandate to govern). See you next Sunday, I guess.

Are you able to ahare what your seat by seat analysis concluded?
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« Reply #369 on: June 14, 2022, 04:19:55 PM »

Interesting results. Both Ensembles and NUPES underperformed slightly, but are well within the margin of error. Particularly pitiful result for Ensemble, as they're barely ahead (according to the Interior Ministry's results - Le Monde, which uses more sensible categories, actually has NUPES slightly ahead) but their result is historically weak for a presidential party. RN didn't really overperform its polling, but the fact that it didn't underperform them is notable, and might have major implications for the runoff. The traditional right is the only force that overperformed (although even then, just by a couple points when all is said and done) and they will remain a presence in the coming legislature, which was far from a given.

The runoffs will be a mess. I've been spending the evening compiling a map of the runoff situations in each constituency, and I've had to use so many different colors that even I can't keep track. I'll have to refine it and use cruder categories to have any chance of making sense of it, but either way, that means this is still wide open. It seems there's a real chance of depriving Ensemble of an absolute majority, though, which would make the next 5 years a lot more interesting than we might have expected (in addition to being, frankly, better for democracy, since it's patently obvious today that Ensemble has no national mandate to govern). See you next Sunday, I guess.

Are you able to ahare what your seat by seat analysis concluded?

I'm still putting the finishing touches to the map (it's taken much longer than I hoped due to both the need to constantly readapt my legend to account for various fringe cases, and other real-life stuff getting in the way). Should be able to post it either tonight or tomorrow.

In the meantime, Oryx's is very informative too (though I personally dislike the use of small dots like that).
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« Reply #370 on: June 14, 2022, 04:28:28 PM »

The Latest Harris poll/project seems to indicate an increase in NUPES seats and a decrease in ENS seats relative to its projection election night
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« Reply #371 on: June 14, 2022, 04:37:01 PM »

And just like that we get a seat estimate. This doesn't have any percentage figures because, well those don't exactly matter.



Looking back at the last cycle, it seems we will be getting one of these from every major outlet. Though looking at this 2017 data, I am skeptical of their accuracy when compared to the pre-round 1 models which seem to have been within the ballpark of the final results. Was it just hype, or an undershooting of more reliable LR+ older voters...



2017 was a massive case of the "rebalancing effect" at work, where the presidential party does very well in the first round of the legislative election, which prompted talks of a massive landslide in the runoff, but then in the runoff opposition voters get scared and turn out a bit more while presidential voters demobilize - hence resulting in a more balanced result than the first round would have suggested. 2007 is the other big example of that phenomenon, and I think 1988 might have been like that as well.

Obviously the dynamics this year are very different, and we have no idea what that will entail for the runoff. It's possible Ensemble voters will remobilize due to the perceived threat of lacking a majority. Or it's possible that a lot of left-wing voters will come out and vote now that they see NUPES really has a chance. Or it's possible no one turns out and we end up with a runoff that looks basically like the first round (just with a lot less RN and a bit more Ensemble). I really can't hazard a guess. I assume the seat projections we're seeing right now are just extrapolating from first round results, though.
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« Reply #372 on: June 14, 2022, 05:13:13 PM »

I know close to nothing about the candidates or seats, but I took a stab at going seat-by-seat to figure out the result by making very dumb eyeballing of the vote share of the first round.  I got

ENS          283
Ind-ENS        1
NUP          161
Ind-NUP        3
Other Left    15
LR               57
UDI              3
Ind-LR          6
RN              31
Others         17
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« Reply #373 on: June 14, 2022, 05:23:22 PM »

Virginie de Carvalho withdrew in Seine St Denis 11. Clementine Autain elected by default. She was leading 46 to 15% in first round.

In Seine St Denis 4, the PCF dissident camdidate withdrew leaving only Soumya Bourouaha (official PCF-NUP candidate) in the race. Bourouaha was leading 36 to 21 last Sunday.
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« Reply #374 on: June 14, 2022, 05:47:03 PM »

In Seine St Denis 4, the PCF dissident camdidate withdrew leaving only Soumya Bourouaha (official PCF-NUP candidate) in the race. Bourouaha was leading 36 to 21 last Sunday.


And so ends that tale.
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