Will America declare war on Russia?

[MATTROSE94]

No, it would be insane to declare war on Russia. Nuclear powers should not directly go to war these days. The only reason the Cold War had a happy ending was that the US and the Soviet Union didn't directly go to war with each other, and certainly there were plenty of opportunities to do so. Fortunately most senior leaders at that time lived through WWI and WWII as adults and they knew that doing it again with nuclear weapons would be the end of the world. Today's senior leaders, even very old ones like Biden, have not really lived through hell. The worst they have seen in their adult lifetimes is something like Vietnam. That is why I worry.

That being said, there should be crippling sanctions and troops should be deployed to Eastern Europe.

Nuclear powers also shouldn't use their status as a nuclear power to invade their neighbors for no reason other than territorial expansion. We are well past the World of shoulds. If Putin wants a nuclear war, that is on him.

I agree 100%. Putin is a genocidal maniac who must be removed from power at all costs. If he succeeds in Ukraine, all of Europe will eventually come under Russian control. After Putin takes over all of Europe, he can use it as a staging ground to launch attacks on the US. Putin must be droned immediately by the US and NATO.

[Aurelius]

No, it would be insane to declare war on Russia. Nuclear powers should not directly go to war these days. The only reason the Cold War had a happy ending was that the US and the Soviet Union didn't directly go to war with each other, and certainly there were plenty of opportunities to do so. Fortunately most senior leaders at that time lived through WWI and WWII as adults and they knew that doing it again with nuclear weapons would be the end of the world. Today's senior leaders, even very old ones like Biden, have not really lived through hell. The worst they have seen in their adult lifetimes is something like Vietnam. That is why I worry.

That being said, there should be crippling sanctions and troops should be deployed to Eastern Europe.

Nuclear powers also shouldn't use their status as a nuclear power to invade their neighbors for no reason other than territorial expansion. We are well past the World of shoulds. If Putin wants a nuclear war, that is on him.

As much as I hate to say it, I'd rather Putin gets his dumb empire than the world turns to fallout and ash.

[Tekken_Guy]

No, it would be insane to declare war on Russia. Nuclear powers should not directly go to war these days. The only reason the Cold War had a happy ending was that the US and the Soviet Union didn't directly go to war with each other, and certainly there were plenty of opportunities to do so. Fortunately most senior leaders at that time lived through WWI and WWII as adults and they knew that doing it again with nuclear weapons would be the end of the world. Today's senior leaders, even very old ones like Biden, have not really lived through hell. The worst they have seen in their adult lifetimes is something like Vietnam. That is why I worry.

That being said, there should be crippling sanctions and troops should be deployed to Eastern Europe.

Nuclear powers also shouldn't use their status as a nuclear power to invade their neighbors for no reason other than territorial expansion. We are well past the World of shoulds. If Putin wants a nuclear war, that is on him.

I agree 100%. Putin is a genocidal maniac who must be removed from power at all costs. If he succeeds in Ukraine, all of Europe will eventually come under Russian control. After Putin takes over all of Europe, he can use it as a staging ground to launch attacks on the US. Putin must be droned immediately by the US and NATO.

For now it seems that at worst, Putin just wants to reclaim the old Soviet states. He doesn’t seem interested in directly attacking the western world.

[MATTROSE94]

No, it would be insane to declare war on Russia. Nuclear powers should not directly go to war these days. The only reason the Cold War had a happy ending was that the US and the Soviet Union didn't directly go to war with each other, and certainly there were plenty of opportunities to do so. Fortunately most senior leaders at that time lived through WWI and WWII as adults and they knew that doing it again with nuclear weapons would be the end of the world. Today's senior leaders, even very old ones like Biden, have not really lived through hell. The worst they have seen in their adult lifetimes is something like Vietnam. That is why I worry.

That being said, there should be crippling sanctions and troops should be deployed to Eastern Europe.

Nuclear powers also shouldn't use their status as a nuclear power to invade their neighbors for no reason other than territorial expansion. We are well past the World of shoulds. If Putin wants a nuclear war, that is on him.

I agree 100%. Putin is a genocidal maniac who must be removed from power at all costs. If he succeeds in Ukraine, all of Europe will eventually come under Russian control. After Putin takes over all of Europe, he can use it as a staging ground to launch attacks on the US. Putin must be droned immediately by the US and NATO.

For now it seems that at worst, Putin just wants to reclaim the old Soviet states. He doesn’t seem interested in directly attacking the western world.

The same thing was said about Hitler during the early and mid 1930s by European and American political leaders.

[Earthling]

No, it would be insane to declare war on Russia. Nuclear powers should not directly go to war these days. The only reason the Cold War had a happy ending was that the US and the Soviet Union didn't directly go to war with each other, and certainly there were plenty of opportunities to do so. Fortunately most senior leaders at that time lived through WWI and WWII as adults and they knew that doing it again with nuclear weapons would be the end of the world. Today's senior leaders, even very old ones like Biden, have not really lived through hell. The worst they have seen in their adult lifetimes is something like Vietnam. That is why I worry.

That being said, there should be crippling sanctions and troops should be deployed to Eastern Europe.

Nuclear powers also shouldn't use their status as a nuclear power to invade their neighbors for no reason other than territorial expansion. We are well past the World of shoulds. If Putin wants a nuclear war, that is on him.

I agree 100%. Putin is a genocidal maniac who must be removed from power at all costs. If he succeeds in Ukraine, all of Europe will eventually come under Russian control. After Putin takes over all of Europe, he can use it as a staging ground to launch attacks on the US. Putin must be droned immediately by the US and NATO.

For now it seems that at worst, Putin just wants to reclaim the old Soviet states. He doesn’t seem interested in directly attacking the western world.

So, the old Soviet stats should just accept that, because the west can not be bothered to stand up for them.

If that is true, than Taiwan is no longer safe and China will attack in the near future. South Korea does not have a bright future because nothing will be stopping the north from invading them.

The world will be a bleak place if Russia will not be stopped.

[Tekken_Guy]

No, it would be insane to declare war on Russia. Nuclear powers should not directly go to war these days. The only reason the Cold War had a happy ending was that the US and the Soviet Union didn't directly go to war with each other, and certainly there were plenty of opportunities to do so. Fortunately most senior leaders at that time lived through WWI and WWII as adults and they knew that doing it again with nuclear weapons would be the end of the world. Today's senior leaders, even very old ones like Biden, have not really lived through hell. The worst they have seen in their adult lifetimes is something like Vietnam. That is why I worry.

That being said, there should be crippling sanctions and troops should be deployed to Eastern Europe.

Nuclear powers also shouldn't use their status as a nuclear power to invade their neighbors for no reason other than territorial expansion. We are well past the World of shoulds. If Putin wants a nuclear war, that is on him.

I agree 100%. Putin is a genocidal maniac who must be removed from power at all costs. If he succeeds in Ukraine, all of Europe will eventually come under Russian control. After Putin takes over all of Europe, he can use it as a staging ground to launch attacks on the US. Putin must be droned immediately by the US and NATO.

For now it seems that at worst, Putin just wants to reclaim the old Soviet states. He doesn’t seem interested in directly attacking the western world.

The same thing was said about Hitler during the early and mid 1930s by European and American political leaders.

Putin’s been in power for over 20 years. By this point, everything about him, his goals, and his desires are pretty well known, and because of this it’s easier to predict what he will and won’t do.

Hitler was a new face on the political scene at the time, so his motives were always much more clouded in mystery. He also operated in a world without NATO and the UN, and intelligence gathering had made a lot of advances since then.

[Tekken_Guy]

No, it would be insane to declare war on Russia. Nuclear powers should not directly go to war these days. The only reason the Cold War had a happy ending was that the US and the Soviet Union didn't directly go to war with each other, and certainly there were plenty of opportunities to do so. Fortunately most senior leaders at that time lived through WWI and WWII as adults and they knew that doing it again with nuclear weapons would be the end of the world. Today's senior leaders, even very old ones like Biden, have not really lived through hell. The worst they have seen in their adult lifetimes is something like Vietnam. That is why I worry.

That being said, there should be crippling sanctions and troops should be deployed to Eastern Europe.

Nuclear powers also shouldn't use their status as a nuclear power to invade their neighbors for no reason other than territorial expansion. We are well past the World of shoulds. If Putin wants a nuclear war, that is on him.

I agree 100%. Putin is a genocidal maniac who must be removed from power at all costs. If he succeeds in Ukraine, all of Europe will eventually come under Russian control. After Putin takes over all of Europe, he can use it as a staging ground to launch attacks on the US. Putin must be droned immediately by the US and NATO.

For now it seems that at worst, Putin just wants to reclaim the old Soviet states. He doesn’t seem interested in directly attacking the western world.

So, the old Soviet stats should just accept that, because the west can not be bothered to stand up for them.

If that is true, than Taiwan is no longer safe and China will attack in the near future. South Korea does not have a bright future because nothing will be stopping the north from invading them.

The world will be a bleak place if Russia will not be stopped.

War should absolutely be a last resort. That doesn’t mean we can’t fight back with sanctions.

[Earthling]

No, it would be insane to declare war on Russia. Nuclear powers should not directly go to war these days. The only reason the Cold War had a happy ending was that the US and the Soviet Union didn't directly go to war with each other, and certainly there were plenty of opportunities to do so. Fortunately most senior leaders at that time lived through WWI and WWII as adults and they knew that doing it again with nuclear weapons would be the end of the world. Today's senior leaders, even very old ones like Biden, have not really lived through hell. The worst they have seen in their adult lifetimes is something like Vietnam. That is why I worry.

That being said, there should be crippling sanctions and troops should be deployed to Eastern Europe.

Nuclear powers also shouldn't use their status as a nuclear power to invade their neighbors for no reason other than territorial expansion. We are well past the World of shoulds. If Putin wants a nuclear war, that is on him.

I agree 100%. Putin is a genocidal maniac who must be removed from power at all costs. If he succeeds in Ukraine, all of Europe will eventually come under Russian control. After Putin takes over all of Europe, he can use it as a staging ground to launch attacks on the US. Putin must be droned immediately by the US and NATO.

For now it seems that at worst, Putin just wants to reclaim the old Soviet states. He doesn’t seem interested in directly attacking the western world.

So, the old Soviet stats should just accept that, because the west can not be bothered to stand up for them.

If that is true, than Taiwan is no longer safe and China will attack in the near future. South Korea does not have a bright future because nothing will be stopping the north from invading them.

The world will be a bleak place if Russia will not be stopped.

War should absolutely be a last resort. That doesn’t mean we can’t fight back with sanctions.

The war has started already and sanctions alone won't help.

[Xing]

No, obviously not.

[It’s so Joever]

War is the only option. If Biden doesn’t do it, he will deserve every loss ever.

[Aurelius]

Putin’s been in power for over 20 years. By this point, everything about him, his goals, and his desires are pretty well known, and because of this it’s easier to predict what he will and won’t do.

This is what I was saying up until a few days ago, and I turned out to be very wrong.

Before this latest war, Putin had a consistent playbook. Take advantage of internal turmoil in neighboring states to gin up paranoia about imminent attacks on Russian minorities. Use this paranoia as cover to send in clandestine forces to prop up unrecognized, pseudo-independent puppet states in heavily ethnically Russian or Russian-aligned regions at the fringes of said neighboring states. Put out a bunch of propaganda for domestic audiences about how he is saving Russians abroad from imminent genocide or whatever. Gradually integrate the puppet states closer and closer with Russia proper. Rinse and repeat as the opportunity arises.

Many observers suspected that this was primarily to gin up domestic political support to allow Putin to easily stay in power - and there was some evidence for that, as his popularity surged every time he did something like this. Maybe this was his real goal originally, but something has now clearly changed. Based on what I've read, Putin has become much more personally nationalistic than he was 20 years ago. He's become obsessed with his place in Russian history, has become convinced that the former Soviet republics that became independent when the USSR collapsed are rightful Russian clay and had no right to go their own way, and sees an opportunity for himself to go down in Russian history as the man who restored his nation to its former glory after decades of humiliation. Now his approach to geopolitics has changed to reflect that.

[Tekken_Guy]

Putin’s been in power for over 20 years. By this point, everything about him, his goals, and his desires are pretty well known, and because of this it’s easier to predict what he will and won’t do.

This is what I was saying up until a few days ago, and I turned out to be very wrong.

Before this latest war, Putin had a consistent playbook. Take advantage of internal turmoil in neighboring states to gin up paranoia about imminent attacks on Russian minorities. Use this paranoia as cover to send in clandestine forces to prop up unrecognized, pseudo-independent puppet states in heavily ethnically Russian or Russian-aligned regions at the fringes of said neighboring states. Put out a bunch of propaganda for domestic audiences about how he is saving Russians abroad from imminent genocide or whatever. Gradually integrate the puppet states closer and closer with Russia proper. Rinse and repeat as the opportunity arises.

Many observers suspected that this was primarily to gin up domestic political support to allow Putin to easily stay in power - and there was some evidence for that, as his popularity surged every time he did something like this. Maybe this was his real goal originally, but something has now clearly changed. Based on what I've read, Putin has become much more personally nationalistic than he was 20 years ago. He's become obsessed with his place in Russian history, has become convinced that the former Soviet republics that became independent when the USSR collapsed are rightful Russian clay and had no right to go their own way, and sees an opportunity for himself to go down in Russian history as the man who restored his nation to its former glory after decades of humiliation. Now his approach to geopolitics has changed to reflect that.

But we already saw this with the invasion of Crimea. It was bad for Ukraine, yes, but not for the rest of the world.

[TheReckoning]

War is the only option. If Biden doesn’t do it, he will deserve every loss ever.

Is there a reason why you’re so adamantly pro-war against Russia? It’s BigSerg tier simping, only this time for the opposite side.

[MR DARK BRANDON]

War is the only option. If Biden doesn’t do it, he will deserve every loss ever.

No

[MATTROSE94]

No, it would be insane to declare war on Russia. Nuclear powers should not directly go to war these days. The only reason the Cold War had a happy ending was that the US and the Soviet Union didn't directly go to war with each other, and certainly there were plenty of opportunities to do so. Fortunately most senior leaders at that time lived through WWI and WWII as adults and they knew that doing it again with nuclear weapons would be the end of the world. Today's senior leaders, even very old ones like Biden, have not really lived through hell. The worst they have seen in their adult lifetimes is something like Vietnam. That is why I worry.

That being said, there should be crippling sanctions and troops should be deployed to Eastern Europe.

Nuclear powers also shouldn't use their status as a nuclear power to invade their neighbors for no reason other than territorial expansion. We are well past the World of shoulds. If Putin wants a nuclear war, that is on him.

I agree 100%. Putin is a genocidal maniac who must be removed from power at all costs. If he succeeds in Ukraine, all of Europe will eventually come under Russian control. After Putin takes over all of Europe, he can use it as a staging ground to launch attacks on the US. Putin must be droned immediately by the US and NATO.

For now it seems that at worst, Putin just wants to reclaim the old Soviet states. He doesn’t seem interested in directly attacking the western world.

The same thing was said about Hitler during the early and mid 1930s by European and American political leaders.

Putin’s been in power for over 20 years. By this point, everything about him, his goals, and his desires are pretty well known, and because of this it’s easier to predict what he will and won’t do.

Hitler was a new face on the political scene at the time, so his motives were always much more clouded in mystery. He also operated in a world without NATO and the UN, and intelligence gathering had made a lot of advances since then.

Hitler did outline his views in the 1925 book “ Mein Kampf,” which was published in English in 1930 or 1931, so US and European political leaders at least had an inkling about what Hitler desired to accomplish on the world stage once he came to power.

[Hammy]

No, it would be insane to declare war on Russia. Nuclear powers should not directly go to war these days. The only reason the Cold War had a happy ending was that the US and the Soviet Union didn't directly go to war with each other, and certainly there were plenty of opportunities to do so. Fortunately most senior leaders at that time lived through WWI and WWII as adults and they knew that doing it again with nuclear weapons would be the end of the world. Today's senior leaders, even very old ones like Biden, have not really lived through hell. The worst they have seen in their adult lifetimes is something like Vietnam. That is why I worry.

That being said, there should be crippling sanctions and troops should be deployed to Eastern Europe.

Nuclear powers also shouldn't use their status as a nuclear power to invade their neighbors for no reason other than territorial expansion. We are well past the World of shoulds. If Putin wants a nuclear war, that is on him.

I agree 100%. Putin is a genocidal maniac who must be removed from power at all costs. If he succeeds in Ukraine, all of Europe will eventually come under Russian control. After Putin takes over all of Europe, he can use it as a staging ground to launch attacks on the US. Putin must be droned immediately by the US and NATO.

For now it seems that at worst, Putin just wants to reclaim the old Soviet states. He doesn’t seem interested in directly attacking the western world.

The same thing was said about Hitler during the early and mid 1930s by European and American political leaders.

"Literally everything that ever happens is Hitler purely because I have no real argument."

[Ferguson97]

"Literally everything that ever happens is Hitler purely because I have no real argument."

I know Godwin's Law and all, but this scenario is similar enough to actually warrant a comparison.

[Hermit For Peace]

It's too bad that Putin doesn't speak for his population in what he's trying to do. He's not only a menace on the world stage but to his own people as well. There is no room in our peaceful world for a guy like this. His intent needs to be squashed because it is anti human and suicidal.

But you don't squash intent on the battlefield. Strategy. Psychology. Guts. That's what's needed now.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

We have an all volunteer army most men in other countries serve except for us or the police because we have a diabetes epidemic in this country

Clearly, if we had a Draft we can fight Russia they're bluffing starting a nuke war where is N.Korea, they gave been threatening us with nukes, you know why there will never be a Nuke war, Russia and China are on the UN and they aren't gonna Nuke NY and the UN, if we had a Draft there wouldn't be a diabetes epidemic

Biden said if the Red Army attacked Poland we will defend NAtO but the Red Army can Nuke us with an attack in Poland it's all bluff Biden will have to get a Declaration of War from Congress with Ukraine but not to defend NATO.

Clinton bombed Serbia and Kosovo without a Declaration of War and it was a NATO conflict

[Hammy]

"Literally everything that ever happens is Hitler purely because I have no real argument."

I know Godwin's Law and all, but this scenario is similar enough to actually warrant a comparison.

No, saying this is similar dismisses what happened during the Holocaust as typical wartime behavior.

[Ferguson97]

"Literally everything that ever happens is Hitler purely because I have no real argument."

I know Godwin's Law and all, but this scenario is similar enough to actually warrant a comparison.

No, saying this is similar dismisses what happened during the Holocaust as typical wartime behavior.

The idea isn't to equivocate the Holocaust with what Putin is doing - the idea is to stop it from getting to that point. 

I don't think that it "dismisses" what happened in the Holocaust to be cautious in these sorts of instances. In fact, I think trying to paint the Holocaust as some once-in-a-millennium anomaly is more dismissive of the conditions that led to it in the first place.

Nobody thought that we'd see a world war with 6 million dead Jews when Poland was invaded in 1939.

[freepcrusher]

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[Hammy]

"Literally everything that ever happens is Hitler purely because I have no real argument."

I know Godwin's Law and all, but this scenario is similar enough to actually warrant a comparison.

No, saying this is similar dismisses what happened during the Holocaust as typical wartime behavior.

The idea isn't to equivocate the Holocaust with what Putin is doing - the idea is to stop it from getting to that point.  

I don't think that it "dismisses" what happened in the Holocaust to be cautious in these sorts of instances. In fact, I think trying to paint the Holocaust as some once-in-a-millennium anomaly is more dismissive of the conditions that led to it in the first place.

Nobody thought that we'd see a world war with 6 million dead Jews when Poland was invaded in 1939.

The US knew exactly what Hitler's intentions were and continually turned away Jews who were trying to escape despite knowing this. We are doing more here with the sanctions than we ever did then--which was sending people back to their deaths--so continuing to make this equation to the current situation shows ignorance at the very least.

There's no shame in admitting that what's going on there is wrong and unjustified, while also acknowledging that it isn't Literally Hitler Again and that intervention will do nothing but worsen the situation for all involved.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

No, no, no, no no

[Shaula🏳️‍⚧️]

"Literally everything that ever happens is Hitler purely because I have no real argument."

I know Godwin's Law and all, but this scenario is similar enough to actually warrant a comparison.

No, saying this is similar dismisses what happened during the Holocaust as typical wartime behavior.

The idea isn't to equivocate the Holocaust with what Putin is doing - the idea is to stop it from getting to that point.  

I don't think that it "dismisses" what happened in the Holocaust to be cautious in these sorts of instances. In fact, I think trying to paint the Holocaust as some once-in-a-millennium anomaly is more dismissive of the conditions that led to it in the first place.

Nobody thought that we'd see a world war with 6 million dead Jews when Poland was invaded in 1939.

The US knew exactly what Hitler's intentions were and continually turned away Jews who were trying to escape despite knowing this. We are doing more here with the sanctions than we ever did then--which was sending people back to their deaths--so continuing to make this equation to the current situation shows ignorance at the very least.

There's no shame in admitting that what's going on there is wrong and unjustified, while also acknowledging that it isn't Literally Hitler Again and that intervention will do nothing but worsen the situation for all involved.

Letting refugees in the country is a bad idea and always was. No matter the context. American jobs for americans.