A record 7.1% of US adults identify as LGBTQ

[Mopsus]

Meh, I don't believe it. Its trendy for Gen Z girls to be Bi when they really aren't.

A lot of young women identify as bi but have no intention of actually dating or marrying a woman.  Its just trendy these days.  Being straight is so passé with Gen Z.  If you're not identifying as some kind of trendy "other", what are you doing?

A bisexual person who never dates or has sex with someone of the same sex is still bisexual, because sexuality is an orientation, not a behavior.

The fact that sexual identity has been separated from behavior is why I identify as straight. People have made it cringe to be bisexual.

[Mercenary]

Changing social norms bring changes is psychology as young people are more exposed to something. Its not exactly shocking.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

It's not just LGBT adopting and invitro fertilizer, celebrities are getting it and Pasters have always adopted, I remember as a kid my Paster had 4 girls and they were all adoptrd

Marriages sometimes have problems with sterilization so many middle class people adopt nowadays

Also people are very busy with careers like Aaron Rodgers he is rich and broke off engagement and he is 40 and not having any kids but I would have adopted if I was ri h like him and had a Nanny take care of kids

[Meclazine for Israel]

What happens when you put a lot of LGBT people in a long line?

You get an LGBTQ.

[Torie]

It is now chic to affect LQBTQ (too many letters for me, just as there are now too many genders for me, but pay this old fossil no mind), so I am skeptical that the uptick is actually real.

I suspect there is a substantial cohort that would go either way depending whom they meet of either sex that they want to reach room temperature with. The rest is noise when you reach a certain age.

[No War, but the War on Christmas]

It is now chic to affect LQBTQ (too many letters for me, just as there are now too many genders for me, but pay this old fossil no mind), so I am skeptical that the uptick is actually real.

I suspect there is a substantial cohort that would go either way depending whom they meet of either sex that they want to reach room temperature with. The rest is noise when you reach a certain age.

And yet you can remember the individual names of all the friend and acquaintances in your life? I honestly get so tired of this tired trope.  LGBTQ+ should suffice to cover all but the most hardcore activists and likewise respecting someone's pronouns such as He/Him, She/Her, They/Them, just isn't difficult in the slightest.

Sorry Torie, I always get the sense you're one of the nicest posters here, but this specific trope is just so past its period of expiration.

[No War, but the War on Christmas]

Also, the level of misogyny and biphobia in this thread is just astronomical and sickening. If you don't understand it's cause you don't want to understand. And to a certain extent, I suppose that's your perogative, but let's not pretend it's cause it's difficult to understand or it's surprising that more LGBTQ+ people would be willing to openly identify as themselves now that we've had relative civil rights for just about a decade or so.

[Torie]

It is now chic to affect LQBTQ (too many letters for me, just as there are now too many genders for me, but pay this old fossil no mind), so I am skeptical that the uptick is actually real.

I suspect there is a substantial cohort that would go either way depending whom they meet of either sex that they want to reach room temperature with. The rest is noise when you reach a certain age.

And yet you can remember the individual names of all the friend and acquaintances in your life? I honestly get so tired of this tired trope.  LGBTQ+ should suffice to cover all but the most hardcore activists and likewise respecting someone's pronouns such as He/Him, She/Her, They/Them, just isn't difficult in the slightest.

Sorry Torie, I always get the sense you're one of the nicest posters here, but this specific trope is just so past its period of expiration.

I don't really understand your post, but all I ask for is not love, or acceptance, but just not being screwed  under unjust laws. And if you are "valuable" enough, homophobes will "accept" you. I know that from personal experience. And that was when I realized that even in the meat market of the job market, whom you hit on really mattered. That became yet another reason that like my Dad, we both came to loathe Tinsel Town, to which he moved from NY and sired me, and to which I returned in my final years, because as in so many things, he was so wise. Seeking "paradise" is equivalent to seeking a Faustian bargain.

[afleitch]

I mean, you can be bisexual and married to an opposite sex partner and still be very bi. I don't understand why that seems to stump people.

[No War, but the War on Christmas]

It is now chic to affect LQBTQ (too many letters for me, just as there are now too many genders for me, but pay this old fossil no mind), so I am skeptical that the uptick is actually real.

I suspect there is a substantial cohort that would go either way depending whom they meet of either sex that they want to reach room temperature with. The rest is noise when you reach a certain age.

And yet you can remember the individual names of all the friend and acquaintances in your life? I honestly get so tired of this tired trope.  LGBTQ+ should suffice to cover all but the most hardcore activists and likewise respecting someone's pronouns such as He/Him, She/Her, They/Them, just isn't difficult in the slightest.

Sorry Torie, I always get the sense you're one of the nicest posters here, but this specific trope is just so past its period of expiration.

I don't really understand your post, but all I ask for is not love, or acceptance, but just not being screwed  under unjust laws. And if you are "valuable" enough, homophobes will "accept" you. I know that from personal experience. And that was when I realized that even in the meat market of the job market, whom you hit on really mattered. That became yet another reason that like my Dad, we both came to loathe Tinsel Town, to which he moved from NY and sired me, and to which I returned in my final years, because as in so many things, he was so wise. Seeking "paradise" is equivalent to seeking a Faustian bargain.

I'll be honest, I don't really understand yours.   Lmao.

I just get tired of people always going on about 'BLTQ' or 'LGBTQASDFJKX+' or whatever which are inevitably meant to mock and ridicule the LGBTQ community. Or people who act like a few different gender pronouns (in my experience, three, with the addition of They/Them) is just sooo hard to understand or get use to. It isn't and respecting the pronouns or orientation of any person you come into contact with really isn't that difficult if you take just 0.5 seconds to be an actual human being to friends and strangers. Like how these same people keep hundreds of individual names from various cultures and backgrounds straight, but somehow a few more categories of gender or sexuality is so difficult? It's intentional ignorance, period.

To actually try and address your post... What unjust laws? And yeah, I suppose if you're 'valuable' enough as in have enough money, attractive enough, strong enough, etc you can overcome most bigotries, but that doesn't excuse or justify the underlying bigotry. (Which I'm not accusing you of, just to be clear.)

[BigSerg]

I mean, you can be bisexual and married to an opposite sex partner and still be very bi. I don't understand why that seems to stump people.

That does not "stump" anyone. What we are saying and it is a proven fact is that many young people identify with any group just to be "different".

[world.execute(me)]

It's gotta be especially bad for the trans community because you have so many teenagers adopting trans as their identity/brand, even though they're not actually trans at all, so nobody takes them seriously and that would suck for the few teenagers who are, in fact, genuinely trans.

A lot of us binary trans people would appreciate not being used as a cudgel to beat nonbinary people with.

[TheReckoning]

At this rate, we’ll all be gay by 2050.

[Badger]

I bet the LGBTQ population is probably twice that., at least.

People who have more than incidental same-sex attraction =/= "LGBTQ"

 So much data is being collected about what people view, who they speak to, what they search for that I bet an AI program could give us a better and more accurate count of the LGBTQ population than self-identification which is still subject to social stigma and societal norms.

Dumb post.  We live in a society.  People's identities are socially influenced.  Figuring out the number of people who look at gay porn or whatever other nonsense you're getting at may be an interesting stat by itself, but that's not what being "gay" means.

"Sure I occasionally watch gay porn and I'm attracted to hot guys. That doesn't mean I'm not totes straight, though."

[Del Tachi]

I bet the LGBTQ population is probably twice that., at least.

People who have more than incidental same-sex attraction =/= "LGBTQ"

 So much data is being collected about what people view, who they speak to, what they search for that I bet an AI program could give us a better and more accurate count of the LGBTQ population than self-identification which is still subject to social stigma and societal norms.

Dumb post.  We live in a society.  People's identities are socially influenced.  Figuring out the number of people who look at gay porn or whatever other nonsense you're getting at may be an interesting stat by itself, but that's not what being "gay" means.

"Sure I occasionally watch gay porn and I'm attracted to hot guys. That doesn't mean I'm not totes straight, though."

Back off.  A person like that wouldn’t/shouldn’t identify as LGBT in a poll like this.  Doing so would cheapen the label for the rest of us who own it.

[Francisco]

I would like to see how many people define themselves as gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender, because as many people say here, many people of my generation (I'm gen z) define as bisexual, but they have zero interest of marrying someone of their same sex.

[Burke Bro]

A lot of young women identify as bi but have no intention of actually dating or marrying a woman.  Its just trendy these days.  Being straight is so passé with Gen Z.  If you're not identifying as some kind of trendy "other", what are you doing?

No. Just no. Reading this made me sick to my stomach.

Sexuality is a spectrum. A lot of people are okay with having sex with people of the same sex but are not okay with going as far to pursuing a relationship with them because, and even then, and there are degrees to which you might be attracted to someone of the same/opposite sex. As long as they experience some degree of sexual attraction to people of both sexes, they are still bisexual. Part of why I think women are more likely to identify as bisexual is because society is more accepting of bisexuality in women and many men even fetishize it (which is a whole different conversation). Men, on the other hand have been conditioned by society to believe that showing any signs of affection towards other men is contrary to societal notions of masculinity. Therefore, only those among us who are most unquestionably queer (gay men) are open about their sexuality. There are an enormous number of bi men out there right now who are still in the closet and one only needs to spend a few minutes on Grindr to understand that.

Talk to people who are bisexual rather than making assumptions about them.

[Green Line]

A lot of young women identify as bi but have no intention of actually dating or marrying a woman.  Its just trendy these days.  Being straight is so passé with Gen Z.  If you're not identifying as some kind of trendy "other", what are you doing?

No. Just no. Reading this made me sick to my stomach.

Sexuality is a spectrum. A lot of people are okay with having sex with people of the same sex but are not okay with going as far to pursuing a relationship with them because they're attracted to the other person sexually, and even then, and there are degrees to which you might be attracted to someone of the same/opposite sex. That still makes them bisexual. Part of why I think women are more likely to identify as bisexual is because society is more accepting of bisexuality in women and many men even fetishize it (which is a whole different conversation). Men, on the other hand have been conditioned by society to believe that showing any signs of affection towards other men is contrary to societal notions of masculinity. Therefore, only those among us who are most unquestionably queer (gay men) are open about their sexuality. There are an enormous number of bi men out there right now who are still in the closet and one only needs to spend a few minutes on Grindr to understand that.

All of what you said can be true, and there still would be a large number of "bisexual" zoomers and young millenials who are basically just doing it for intersectionality points and clout.  Its easier for women to fake it, for obvious reasons.

[Burke Bro]

A lot of young women identify as bi but have no intention of actually dating or marrying a woman.  Its just trendy these days.  Being straight is so passé with Gen Z.  If you're not identifying as some kind of trendy "other", what are you doing?

No. Just no. Reading this made me sick to my stomach.

Sexuality is a spectrum. A lot of people are okay with having sex with people of the same sex but are not okay with going as far to pursuing a relationship with them because they're attracted to the other person sexually, and even then, and there are degrees to which you might be attracted to someone of the same/opposite sex. That still makes them bisexual. Part of why I think women are more likely to identify as bisexual is because society is more accepting of bisexuality in women and many men even fetishize it (which is a whole different conversation). Men, on the other hand have been conditioned by society to believe that showing any signs of affection towards other men is contrary to societal notions of masculinity. Therefore, only those among us who are most unquestionably queer (gay men) are open about their sexuality. There are an enormous number of bi men out there right now who are still in the closet and one only needs to spend a few minutes on Grindr to understand that.

All of what you said can be true, and there still would be a large number of "bisexual" zoomers and young millenials who are basically just doing it for intersectionality points and clout.  Its easier for women to fake it, for obvious reasons.

I'm sure there are some (Nicki Minaj is one example that sticks out to me in particular). But there is no evidence that they make up some significant portion of women who openly identify as bisexual.

I'd also like to comment more on bisexuality in men. I think part of why more men identify as gay then women as lesbian is because there actually are a lot of gay men who are closeted bisexuals. They choose to identify as gay because, as previously mentioned, there are a lot of harmful stereotypes that bi men have to deal with (such as not fitting the traditional view of masculinity, but also the one that bisexual men are inherently untrustworthy and will cheat on you) and they don't want to lose the trust of their mostly-female friends. Some gay men may dispute this claim (and I encourage them to), but this is simply my observation from talking to some of my gay male friends.

[Green Line]

A lot of young women identify as bi but have no intention of actually dating or marrying a woman.  Its just trendy these days.  Being straight is so passé with Gen Z.  If you're not identifying as some kind of trendy "other", what are you doing?

No. Just no. Reading this made me sick to my stomach.

Sexuality is a spectrum. A lot of people are okay with having sex with people of the same sex but are not okay with going as far to pursuing a relationship with them because they're attracted to the other person sexually, and even then, and there are degrees to which you might be attracted to someone of the same/opposite sex. That still makes them bisexual. Part of why I think women are more likely to identify as bisexual is because society is more accepting of bisexuality in women and many men even fetishize it (which is a whole different conversation). Men, on the other hand have been conditioned by society to believe that showing any signs of affection towards other men is contrary to societal notions of masculinity. Therefore, only those among us who are most unquestionably queer (gay men) are open about their sexuality. There are an enormous number of bi men out there right now who are still in the closet and one only needs to spend a few minutes on Grindr to understand that.

All of what you said can be true, and there still would be a large number of "bisexual" zoomers and young millenials who are basically just doing it for intersectionality points and clout.  Its easier for women to fake it, for obvious reasons.

I'm sure there are some (Nicki Minaj is one example that sticks out to me in particular). But there is no evidence that they make up some significant portion of women who openly identify as bisexual.

Don't forget TILA TEQUILA, of A Shot at Love with Tila Tequila.

[Burke Bro]

A lot of what I'm saying is just me speaking about my observations and experiences as a bi man (and zoomer). Coming to terms with my bisexuality has been one of the most hardest things for me to do and its resulted in me ending several friendships and relationships (but that's how you realize who your true friends/lovers are). I truly think that bi men have it harder than gay men and bi/lesbian women and I wish we lived in a society where biphobia doesn't exist. But this forum thread (sadly) seems to indicate that that society isn't at that point yet.

[Shaula🏳️‍⚧️]

BASED!

[Thank you for being a friend...]

I do want to ask though where all these gay men are because in WokeBoston, there's hardly any to be found.  Of course we have no gay community center or anything... must be one of the few cities in America not to have one.

I think so many gays have moved to the suburbs.  The age of the gayborhood is over.

[afleitch]

I mean, you can be bisexual and married to an opposite sex partner and still be very bi. I don't understand why that seems to stump people.

That does not "stump" anyone. What we are saying and it is a proven fact is that many young people identify with any group just to be "different".

They were saying that in my day about me and my very gay and still gay friends.

[Born to Slay. Forced to Work.]

The dating pool grows