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« on: May 19, 2022, 07:39:59 AM »

Seriously?  Discredit extremists of all nature via stable societies.  Wokeism is dangerous, period.  Extreme nationalism is dangerous, period.  Have strong social communities, families, workplace cultures, etc. that give people reasons to not want to look to extremists for answers to their issues they have with the world.
Define dangerous "wokeism".

Social Justice largely does not follow any structural integrity.  It is a constantly moving goalpost with a consensus simply determined by the majority opinions of its most influential members.  A basic tenant of the outrage that came about due to the riots and looting after George Floyd's death was not that we had a system in severe need of reform and that activists were going to mobilize to work within the system to sway public opinion and change society through the existing legal process (as the abolition of slavery, the civil rights movement and the gay rights movement did) ... it was the rather loud belief that the system was so broken that we could reasonably excuse the burning of innocent people's businesses in downtowns because, what ... "enough was enough"?  That's horrifyingly knee-jerk and emotionally driven, and it sets the precedent that anarchy and solving one wrong with another wrong is okay, as long as you are of the "correct" opinion.  And who is to say what is "correct"?  Not a constitution of any kind or a religious text or some guiding intellectual philosophy ... a literal, intangible "blob" of ever-shifting public opinion.  It's tyranny of the majority, except polls indicate they're not even a majority!  The fact that people are getting cancelled for things they said a decade ago is, indeed, scary, and it's entirely driven by a mob mentality.

None of this is to say it is necessarily more dangerous than extreme nationalism or any other extremist ideology, but that is the point.  When people turn to extremist ideologies, they craft a narrative where they are SO correct and the "system" is SO broken, that the ends justify the means to such an extent that they're essentially given a blank slate.  An incredibly rude, selfish and societally unproductive SJW is still a better person than a polite Trump voter?  That is a deranged way of thinking, and it's extremely prevalent today.  Again, extremism is inherently dangerous, as it gives a blank-check-messiah complex to the group in question.  When you believe so deeply in your "cause" to the extent where you are practically dehumanizing your opposition, you're capable of bending just about any rule or norm.  If others don't find that scary, well, I guess I am in the minority and will simply have to ride out the storm ... but what we are seeing now is NOT in the same tradition as Martin Luther King or early gay rights activists, just as today's extreme nationalists are NOT in the mold of Calvin Coolidge's 1920s Republicans, even if coincidental similarities in policy can be dug up when convenient.  The difference is the extremism in spirit, even though it's also in letter.

Although biased, I really like this channel and think this video is actually a very good explanation of why the Social Justice movement has gone off the rails ... it's not descended from basic progressivism or activism, it is literally looking to "deconstruct" society itself:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J10_2natxys&t=1453s

Calling people child murderers, child molesters, and that you now “own them”. How do we respond to that? Beyond just telling the people who call you those names that you’re going to protect yourself by any means necessary? FWIW, I still think that Rittenhouse should’ve gotten probation for leaving the state with a gun that he wasn’t supposed to have but I now know that the jury was right.

If we want to get back to the original thread at hand, here’s some  homework. The homework is that whoever on here talks and acts like they actually and literally hate other people or anybody else on here, well, we have to figure out a way to deal with them without banning them. That is essentially how are you stop Democratic backslide. If it’s even possible.
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