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RussFeingoldWasRobbed
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« on: July 13, 2022, 09:37:39 PM »

Do any exist in the world?
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« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2022, 10:26:29 PM »

What do you mean by this? "Paleoconservative"? National conservative? Aristotelian? There isn't really a specifically "classical" definition of conservatism the way there is for liberalism.
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« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2022, 11:03:14 PM »

There isn't really a specifically "classical" definition of conservatism the way there is for liberalism.

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« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2022, 02:17:05 AM »

The answer would be whichever ones recognise that supporting unfettered free market economics is not a great way of preserving tradition.
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« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2022, 03:16:30 AM »

People have been fighting over the "proper" definition of conservatism (and liberalism, and - depressingly - even socialism) for as long as these concepts have existed. I don't think we can say there was ever a definition so widely accepted as to be labeled the "classical" form.
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« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2022, 05:21:02 AM »

There was a user on this forum called Classic Conservative once, but I doubt he has started a political party in the time since he left.
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« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2022, 07:33:29 AM »

People have been fighting over the "proper" definition of conservatism (and liberalism, and - depressingly - even socialism) for as long as these concepts have existed. I don't think we can say there was ever a definition so widely accepted as to be labeled the "classical" form.
Because I'm me, I have to point everyone to Kołakowski's 'How to be a Conservative-Liberal-Socialist' essay at this point...
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« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2022, 09:44:47 AM »

There isn't really a specifically "classical" definition of conservatism the way there is for liberalism.

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In the United States, liberalism is usually divided into pre- and post-New Deal conceptions, where the pre-New Deal “classical” liberal (Cleveland, Wilson) was focused on lack of government restraint and the post-New Deal liberal took a more holistic view of liberties. (A third form of “neo” liberalism comes along when globalism is introduced into the mix c. 1970s, but I disagree that this fundamentally altered liberalism.)

Conservatism, by contrast, is a valence rather than a principle, so while its core definition can change over time, I’ve never agreed with any attempt to split it into clear time periods like liberalism.
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« Reply #8 on: July 14, 2022, 11:47:07 AM »

The most prominent that comes to mind for me is maybe the National Party in Australia. Socially conservative, agrarian, supportive of the monarchy, sounds like "Classical conservatism" to me.

There are probably better examples among smaller, more strongly monarchist parties, but they are far less relevant to most countries' politics.
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« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2022, 10:04:35 PM »

There isn't really a specifically "classical" definition of conservatism the way there is for liberalism.

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In the United States, liberalism is usually divided into pre- and post-New Deal conceptions, where the pre-New Deal “classical” liberal (Cleveland, Wilson) was focused on lack of government restraint and the post-New Deal liberal took a more holistic view of liberties. (A third form of “neo” liberalism comes along when globalism is introduced into the mix c. 1970s, but I disagree that this fundamentally altered liberalism.)

Conservatism, by contrast, is a valence rather than a principle, so while its core definition can change over time, I’ve never agreed with any attempt to split it into clear time periods like liberalism.


Wilson is really a transitional figure in this, representing both definitions of liberalism in different ways.
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« Reply #10 on: August 21, 2022, 01:38:15 PM »

Here in Canada, we have them in Atlantic Canada but not nationally.  Both PEI Progressive Conservatives and Nova Scotia Progressive Conservatives are very much your Burkean style conservatives, but elsewhere not so much.
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