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« Reply #25 on: February 05, 2022, 11:58:18 PM »

Such an action would indicate low ethical standards in my book.

Yeah, but we're on Atlas Forum here.
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« Reply #26 on: February 05, 2022, 11:58:58 PM »

Such an action would indicate low ethical standards in my book.

Why?
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« Reply #27 on: February 06, 2022, 01:06:30 AM »


Islam is a misognystic, homophobic religion...no wait, I thought that was Catholicism.

Seriously, though, because of the perception that  Islam is an exceptionally mysognystic religion (which, let's face it, it is, in some ways).
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« Reply #28 on: February 06, 2022, 01:53:39 AM »


Islam is a misognystic, homophobic religion...no wait, I thought that was Catholicism.

Seriously, though, because of the perception that  Islam is an exceptionally mysognystic religion (which, let's face it, it is, in some ways).

Wow. Not only this, but I already have a beard and I don't drink. If I converted, I'd barely have to alter my lifestyle.
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« Reply #29 on: February 06, 2022, 06:01:57 AM »

It's my understanding that Islam requires a certain operation that most males would find objectionable. I wouldn't cut off an earlobe for $30, let alone certain other things. I've always found the practice to be quite strange for Muslims on account of the Quran's words when it comes to respect and preservation of the body as created.
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« Reply #30 on: February 06, 2022, 06:15:29 AM »

It's my understanding that Islam requires a certain operation that most males would find objectionable. I wouldn't cut off an earlobe for $30, let alone certain other things. I've always found the practice to be quite strange for Muslims on account of the Quran's words when it comes to respect and preservation of the body as created.
What kind of operation are you talking about?
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« Reply #31 on: February 06, 2022, 07:48:47 AM »

It's my understanding that Islam requires a certain operation that most males would find objectionable. I wouldn't cut off an earlobe for $30, let alone certain other things. I've always found the practice to be quite strange for Muslims on account of the Quran's words when it comes to respect and preservation of the body as created.
What kind of operation are you talking about?

I'm not sure what my libertarian friend above is thinking, but I don't find the prospect of adult circumcision to be particularly appealing. It is my understanding that current Islamic teachings requires such, despite not being found in the Quran.
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« Reply #32 on: February 06, 2022, 10:04:27 AM »

It's my understanding that Islam requires a certain operation that most males would find objectionable. I wouldn't cut off an earlobe for $30, let alone certain other things. I've always found the practice to be quite strange for Muslims on account of the Quran's words when it comes to respect and preservation of the body as created.
What kind of operation are you talking about?

I'm not sure what my libertarian friend above is thinking, but I don't find the prospect of adult circumcision to be particularly appealing. It is my understanding that current Islamic teachings requires such, despite not being found in the Quran.
I was born into a Muslim family and must have been circumsized when I was mere days old, so I guess it's no surprise I was puzzled at your question.
If Quora answers (I had to look this topic up) are anything to go by, it's not required though. Again, though, not a fiqh scholar. It seems though that opinions vary on how important circumcision is and when it needs to happen or is required, and people can get very opinionated on this topic.
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« Reply #33 on: February 06, 2022, 01:26:26 PM »
« Edited: February 06, 2022, 10:19:53 PM by BigSerg »

Actually, there was a time when I had a "crisis of faith" and came close to converting to Islam. I was very disillusioned with the Catholic Church's capitulation to abortion, gay marriage and the culture war, and came to believe that the only way for Abrahamic values to survive was for Islam to become the dominant religion worldwide. I read the Quran and Sahih al-Bukhari and even visited a mosque, but my faith in Jesus prevented me from converting to Islam. If Islam would reform, clearly accepting Jesus/Isa as prophet and son of god, then I would convert immediately.
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« Reply #34 on: February 06, 2022, 01:51:06 PM »

I was born into a Muslim family and must have been circumsized when I was mere days old, so I guess it's no surprise I was puzzled at your question.
If Quora answers (I had to look this topic up) are anything to go by, it's not required though. Again, though, not a fiqh scholar. It seems though that opinions vary on how important circumcision is and when it needs to happen or is required, and people can get very opinionated on this topic.

I wasn't talking about quora.com. I was talking about the Quran itself. The Quran is silent on circumcision. There are teachings and beliefs outside the Quran that are recommended or require such a practice. As I said, it does puzzle me because the Quran is rather explicit about bodily integrity. I understand why it is pushed and required in Judaism (although that practice isn't exactly the same as it was 2000 years ago - they only used to cut off the very tip so that one would almost certainly look uncircumcised these days).
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« Reply #35 on: February 06, 2022, 04:04:29 PM »
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I was born into a Muslim family and must have been circumsized when I was mere days old, so I guess it's no surprise I was puzzled at your question.
If Quora answers (I had to look this topic up) are anything to go by, it's not required though. Again, though, not a fiqh scholar. It seems though that opinions vary on how important circumcision is and when it needs to happen or is required, and people can get very opinionated on this topic.

I wasn't talking about quora.com. I was talking about the Quran itself. The Quran is silent on circumcision. There are teachings and beliefs outside the Quran that are recommended or require such a practice. As I said, it does puzzle me because the Quran is rather explicit about bodily integrity. I understand why it is pushed and required in Judaism (although that practice isn't exactly the same as it was 2000 years ago - they only used to cut off the very tip so that one would almost certainly look uncircumcised these days).

The Hadith are a part of Islam as well and remain very important, unless you want to become an actual Quranist, which is laughable (for lack of a better word) for many reasons. There are many reasons that the vast majority of Muslims and Muslim scholars regard the Hadith with high significance. The Qur'an tells us to obey the commands of Muhammad (SAW) and his teachings many times throughout, and it's important that we pay attention to what he's done. The Hadith give direction on the specifics of Islam and how to live, such as the way we pray (which also isn't mentioned word-for-word in the Quran) and how to do Wudu.

Circumcision is Sunnah and following in the footsteps of the Prophet Muhammad (SAW) is very important in Islam. Moreover, most Muslims view circumcision as fitrah the same way trimming your mustache, cutting your nails, and shaving pubic hair is. Even though they differentiates in that circumcision is permanent, it still falls under that category. So we don't view circumcision as a violation of body integrity the same way cutting your nails isn't a violation of body integrity. There's some difference of opinion whether it's mandatory or recommended, but it's easy enough to do that virtually all male Muslims have been circumcised, both of those living in the past and today.
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« Reply #36 on: February 08, 2022, 08:08:24 PM »

All Religions Buddha 1200 AD Juda, Moses 1200 BC Islam Allah 600AD, Christianity 300 AD started with Catholicism, Prophets are portals to Heaven and each of them were Mortals Jesus Ossuary Box if it's true, and used Miracles as a Message of God and at Judgement Day or incarnation of the soul to a new Life thru rapture or Earthly life is separates religion from science

So, it doesn't matter what religion you are Secularist and Traditional is within politics and religion ITSELF
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« Reply #37 on: February 08, 2022, 11:57:08 PM »

Only if I could still be a Christian too. Not sure if that would work.
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« Reply #38 on: February 09, 2022, 05:35:18 PM »
« Edited: February 09, 2022, 10:29:38 PM by Alex »

A million dollars is a million dollars, habib(t)i
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« Reply #39 on: March 11, 2022, 09:20:15 PM »

Ignoring the whole million dollar "reward" in OP's question, I'm curious as to why you guys would?

Because it’s pretty much a question about whether you’re willing to cut your foreskin and stop eating bacon for a million dollars. He’s paying a million dollars for a superficial change in religion not a real change.
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« Reply #40 on: March 11, 2022, 09:23:05 PM »

Not a chance.  I know Christianity is true and will not jeopardize eternal life for money.

Well you could just convert to Islam and keep being Christian, it’s not like he’s a mindreader.
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« Reply #41 on: March 12, 2022, 03:56:55 PM »
« Edited: March 12, 2022, 04:00:44 PM by SInNYC »

I would convert to anything for a million bucks, as long as I dont need to practice whatever it is that particular version of that religion wants me to. I'd even be willing to attend some speech a couple of hours a week or avoid a certain food.

I'm an atheist so its not like I believe anything will happen to me for falsely claiming a belief.
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« Reply #42 on: March 12, 2022, 05:42:00 PM »

     Not a chance.

Not a chance.  I know Christianity is true and will not jeopardize eternal life for money.

Well you could just convert to Islam and keep being Christian, it’s not like he’s a mindreader.

     Matthew 10:33 comes to mind: "But whoever denies Me before men, I will also deny him before My Father in heaven." I know Islam professes Jesus to be the Messiah, but the Christian understanding of Him is very different and this difference is fundamental and non-negotiable.
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« Reply #43 on: March 12, 2022, 11:11:53 PM »

     Not a chance.

Not a chance.  I know Christianity is true and will not jeopardize eternal life for money.

Well you could just convert to Islam and keep being Christian, it’s not like he’s a mindreader.

     Matthew 10:33 comes to mind: "But whoever denies Me before men, I will also deny him before My Father in heaven." I know Islam professes Jesus to be the Messiah, but the Christian understanding of Him is very different and this difference is fundamental and non-negotiable.
Say a fundamentalist Islamic regime took over and banned any open practice of Christianity, forcing Christians to officially convert to Islam. Would a Christian who publicly converts to Islam but practices Christianity in secret still be a Christian under your definition?
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« Reply #44 on: March 12, 2022, 11:50:55 PM »

     Not a chance.

Not a chance.  I know Christianity is true and will not jeopardize eternal life for money.

Well you could just convert to Islam and keep being Christian, it’s not like he’s a mindreader.

     Matthew 10:33 comes to mind: "But whoever denies Me before men, I will also deny him before My Father in heaven." I know Islam professes Jesus to be the Messiah, but the Christian understanding of Him is very different and this difference is fundamental and non-negotiable.
Say a fundamentalist Islamic regime took over and banned any open practice of Christianity, forcing Christians to officially convert to Islam. Would a Christian who publicly converts to Islam but practices Christianity in secret still be a Christian under your definition?

     It's not my place to say who is or isn't a Christian, but any Christian who pretends to practice another religion to avoid persecution is treading extremely dangerous ground.
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« Reply #45 on: March 15, 2022, 12:15:07 PM »

     Not a chance.

Not a chance.  I know Christianity is true and will not jeopardize eternal life for money.

Well you could just convert to Islam and keep being Christian, it’s not like he’s a mindreader.

     Matthew 10:33 comes to mind: "But whoever denies Me before men, I will also deny him before My Father in heaven." I know Islam professes Jesus to be the Messiah, but the Christian understanding of Him is very different and this difference is fundamental and non-negotiable.
Say a fundamentalist Islamic regime took over and banned any open practice of Christianity, forcing Christians to officially convert to Islam. Would a Christian who publicly converts to Islam but practices Christianity in secret still be a Christian under your definition?

     It's not my place to say who is or isn't a Christian, but any Christian who pretends to practice another religion to avoid persecution is treading extremely dangerous ground.

Tough, Donatism was declared a heresy years ago.
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« Reply #46 on: March 15, 2022, 02:51:48 PM »

Actually, there was a time when I had a "crisis of faith" and came close to converting to Islam. I was very disillusioned with the Catholic Church's capitulation to abortion, gay marriage and the culture war, and came to believe that the only way for Abrahamic values to survive was for Islam to become the dominant religion worldwide. I read the Quran and Sahih al-Bukhari and even visited a mosque, but my faith in Jesus prevented me from converting to Islam. If Islam would reform, clearly accepting Jesus/Isa as prophet and son of god, then I would convert immediately.

"If Islam became Christianity, I would become a Muslim."
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« Reply #47 on: March 15, 2022, 03:13:29 PM »

I believe immigrants should convert to the religion of the society they choose to settle in. It's what I did (convert to quasi-atheism), it's what my parents did. If I moved to Dubai (something I am increasingly considering due to developments in the godless West) and decided to settle there (something which is now possible), I would convert to Islam, although preferably a more fundamentalist strain than what converts are usually funneled into.
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« Reply #48 on: March 15, 2022, 04:02:19 PM »

     Not a chance.

Not a chance.  I know Christianity is true and will not jeopardize eternal life for money.

Well you could just convert to Islam and keep being Christian, it’s not like he’s a mindreader.

     Matthew 10:33 comes to mind: "But whoever denies Me before men, I will also deny him before My Father in heaven." I know Islam professes Jesus to be the Messiah, but the Christian understanding of Him is very different and this difference is fundamental and non-negotiable.
Say a fundamentalist Islamic regime took over and banned any open practice of Christianity, forcing Christians to officially convert to Islam. Would a Christian who publicly converts to Islam but practices Christianity in secret still be a Christian under your definition?

     It's not my place to say who is or isn't a Christian, but any Christian who pretends to practice another religion to avoid persecution is treading extremely dangerous ground.

Tough, Donatism was declared a heresy years ago.

     What I said wasn't Donatist though.
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« Reply #49 on: March 15, 2022, 04:34:26 PM »

If a wealthy Muslim businessman approached you and said he would give you a million dollars if you converted to Islam on the spot, would you accept?

Sure I'm atheist so I have nothing to jeopardize but my internal sense of integrity. For that kind of money I'll be a practicing Muslim and send some back in the offering plate.
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