Should revenge porn be legal?

[LordLarry]

I think it depends on how it was obtained. The major point has to do with consent. If you willingly share nude photos or videos with another person, there is no reasonable expectation of privacy or that said media won't necessarily be shared. And, once that media has been transferred, it is in the possession of another individual. I know it sounds harsh, but it is not the government's right or responsibility to protect people from their own free speech or the speech of another.

I agree completely. I believe that if the images were obtained without the person's consent, then sharing it should be illegal. I'm talking about the situation where a person willingly shares explicit photos of himself or herself, at which point there isn't an expectation of privacy.

Think about it like this. We are taught that anything that we post online, even what we believe to be private, can be made public and be held against us. Therefore, we are responsible for everything we post online. However, nudity is the one legal exception to this rule. Why?

And to be quite frank, I don't think that anyone ought to be taking nude images of himself or herself. It's very strange behavior to me.

Sending nude pictures on dating apps has been a 'thing' for over twenty years. The straights might have been later to the game but it's still not a recent phenomenon. And partners share pictures. That doesn't give make anything 'domain' and their absolutely is an expectation of privacy.

Well, I still find it strange when you can see each other nude in person anyway. If you want privacy, have your partner sign an NDA.

[darklordoftech]

Think about it like this. We are taught that anything that we post online, even what we believe to be private, can be made public and be held against us. Therefore, we are responsible for everything we post online. However, nudity is the one legal exception to this rule. Why?

There’s a big difference between posting something on a web site and sharing something with another individual.

[HillGoose]

no, that is extraordinarily messed up and wrong

[Antonio the Sixth]

no, that is extraordinarily messed up and wrong

You know you've crossed the line as a libertarian when Hillgoose thinks you've gone too far.

[John Dule]

Well, I still find it strange when you can see each other nude in person anyway. If you want privacy, have your partner sign an NDA.

Fiduciaries have implied legal duties to one another, and one such duty is not disclosing private information. If it helps you understand humans better, just imagine that the romantic relationship is a business transaction and the nude photos are trade secrets.

[free my dawg]

ancap moment

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

I think it depends on how it was obtained. The major point has to do with consent. If you willingly share nude photos or videos with another person, there is no reasonable expectation of privacy or that said media won't necessarily be shared. And, once that media has been transferred, it is in the possession of another individual. I know it sounds harsh, but it is not the government's right or responsibility to protect people from their own free speech or the speech of another.

I agree completely. I believe that if the images were obtained without the person's consent, then sharing it should be illegal. I'm talking about the situation where a person willingly shares explicit photos of himself or herself, at which point there isn't an expectation of privacy.

Think about it like this. We are taught that anything that we post online, even what we believe to be private, can be made public and be held against us. Therefore, we are responsible for everything we post online. However, nudity is the one legal exception to this rule. Why?

And to be quite frank, I don't think that anyone ought to be taking nude images of himself or herself. It's very strange behavior to me.

Sending nude pictures on dating apps has been a 'thing' for over twenty years. The straights might have been later to the game but it's still not a recent phenomenon. And partners share pictures. That doesn't give make anything 'domain' and their absolutely is an expectation of privacy.

Well, I still find it strange when you can see each other nude in person anyway. If you want privacy, have your partner sign an NDA.

You're aware that generally if two people who are sleeping together need an NDA it's because there's some sort of abuse, right?

[Since I'm the mad scientist proclaimed by myself]

Absolutely not, and the fact that nude pictures taken privately* being leaked is enough to ruin someone's life is a sign of our societies disgusting view of women.


*people shouldn't suffer consequences for posting nude photos of themselves to the internet either, but that's another topic.

[Farmlands]

I think it depends on how it was obtained. The major point has to do with consent. If you willingly share nude photos or videos with another person, there is no reasonable expectation of privacy or that said media won't necessarily be shared. And, once that media has been transferred, it is in the possession of another individual. I know it sounds harsh, but it is not the government's right or responsibility to protect people from their own free speech or the speech of another.

I agree completely. I believe that if the images were obtained without the person's consent, then sharing it should be illegal. I'm talking about the situation where a person willingly shares explicit photos of himself or herself, at which point there isn't an expectation of privacy.

Think about it like this. We are taught that anything that we post online, even what we believe to be private, can be made public and be held against us. Therefore, we are responsible for everything we post online. However, nudity is the one legal exception to this rule. Why?

And to be quite frank, I don't think that anyone ought to be taking nude images of himself or herself. It's very strange behavior to me.

Sending nude pictures on dating apps has been a 'thing' for over twenty years. The straights might have been later to the game but it's still not a recent phenomenon. And partners share pictures. That doesn't give make anything 'domain' and their absolutely is an expectation of privacy.

Well, I still find it strange when you can see each other nude in person anyway. If you want privacy, have your partner sign an NDA.

Expecting your partner to respect your privacy is too much, but asking them to sign an NDA like intimacy is now some bizarre business contract is not??

[LordLarry]

I think it depends on how it was obtained. The major point has to do with consent. If you willingly share nude photos or videos with another person, there is no reasonable expectation of privacy or that said media won't necessarily be shared. And, once that media has been transferred, it is in the possession of another individual. I know it sounds harsh, but it is not the government's right or responsibility to protect people from their own free speech or the speech of another.

I agree completely. I believe that if the images were obtained without the person's consent, then sharing it should be illegal. I'm talking about the situation where a person willingly shares explicit photos of himself or herself, at which point there isn't an expectation of privacy.

Think about it like this. We are taught that anything that we post online, even what we believe to be private, can be made public and be held against us. Therefore, we are responsible for everything we post online. However, nudity is the one legal exception to this rule. Why?

And to be quite frank, I don't think that anyone ought to be taking nude images of himself or herself. It's very strange behavior to me.

Sending nude pictures on dating apps has been a 'thing' for over twenty years. The straights might have been later to the game but it's still not a recent phenomenon. And partners share pictures. That doesn't give make anything 'domain' and their absolutely is an expectation of privacy.

Well, I still find it strange when you can see each other nude in person anyway. If you want privacy, have your partner sign an NDA.

Expecting your partner to respect your privacy is too much, but asking them to sign an NDA like intimacy is now some bizarre business contract is not??

Leonardo DiCaprio had some of his partners sign an NDA. It's not completely unheard of.

[Unconditional Surrender Truman]

I would like to thank the OP on behalf of the forum for outing all of the sickos and creeps.

[KoopaDaQuick 🇵🇸]

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

I think it depends on how it was obtained. The major point has to do with consent. If you willingly share nude photos or videos with another person, there is no reasonable expectation of privacy or that said media won't necessarily be shared. And, once that media has been transferred, it is in the possession of another individual. I know it sounds harsh, but it is not the government's right or responsibility to protect people from their own free speech or the speech of another.

I agree completely. I believe that if the images were obtained without the person's consent, then sharing it should be illegal. I'm talking about the situation where a person willingly shares explicit photos of himself or herself, at which point there isn't an expectation of privacy.

Think about it like this. We are taught that anything that we post online, even what we believe to be private, can be made public and be held against us. Therefore, we are responsible for everything we post online. However, nudity is the one legal exception to this rule. Why?

And to be quite frank, I don't think that anyone ought to be taking nude images of himself or herself. It's very strange behavior to me.

Sending nude pictures on dating apps has been a 'thing' for over twenty years. The straights might have been later to the game but it's still not a recent phenomenon. And partners share pictures. That doesn't give make anything 'domain' and their absolutely is an expectation of privacy.

Well, I still find it strange when you can see each other nude in person anyway. If you want privacy, have your partner sign an NDA.

Expecting your partner to respect your privacy is too much, but asking them to sign an NDA like intimacy is now some bizarre business contract is not??

Leonardo DiCaprio had some of his partners sign an NDA. It's not completely unheard of.

Leonardo DiCaprio is a celebrity who, while a great artist, has been accused of inappropriate or just plain strange behavior towards women on and off throughout his career. Celebrity relationships are not a good model for relationships between normal people.

[Middle-aged Europe]

Revenge porn is sending nude images of someone without consent. The images need not to have been taken involuntarily for the act of sharing them to be revenge porn. It is illegal in several states and may become illegal federally.

I personally think that it should be legal. If someone really wants to share nude photos without them being leaked, there is always the option of having the recipient sign a legal contract.

Yes, but only if it is directed against males.

[Sir Mohamed]

Nah, without consent obviously not. A clear violation of personal rights. How is that even a question?

[Del Tachi]

A blanket law that banned postings of otherwise lawful pics/videos freely given and freely received would probably not pass First Amendment muster.     

[Badger]

The Yellow Avatar stereotype has arrived....

This must be how red avs feel whenever S019 posts.

NYE actually.

[Badger]

Just don’t send nude pics, kids….

....but if you do get any, don't republish them.

[Virginiá]

How is this a question?

[politicallefty]

Look. I know I'm the last person on this forum who can make a remark like this but. Do you have any idea how relationships work?

Absolutely, but I do not believe the First Amendment can tolerate laws like these. This isn't the same as underage content, which obviously does not have protections for the very reason that minors cannot consent. However, even those laws go overboard when it comes to minors sharing explicit photos with other minors. A 15 year-old should not be considered a sex offender for sharing a nude photo of themself with another 15 year-old. But it is not uncommon to see prosecutions like that in the US.

Revenge porn laws are ultimately a content-based restriction on the freedom of speech. I'm not surprised to see what some people say in this topic from other countries, but I firmly believe in our First Amendment. I do think there is a right to marital privacy that governs this aspect of law that is largely excepted. However, if you send a nude photo of yourself to a random person, you need to accept responsibility for that. If you start with laws like these, you will inevitably have laws that target unpopular speech. If you go there, what's to stop criminalizing the outing of neo-Nazis?

Just don’t send nude pics, kids….

....but if you do get any, don't republish them.

Perhaps that should be their responsibility, but it should generally not be punishable under law. My Millennial street smarts has also told me to be careful online. Is that mindset gone now?

[Since I'm the mad scientist proclaimed by myself]

Look. I know I'm the last person on this forum who can make a remark like this but. Do you have any idea how relationships work?

Absolutely, but I do not believe the First Amendment can tolerate laws like these. This isn't the same as underage content, which obviously does not have protections for the very reason that minors cannot consent. However, even those laws go overboard when it comes to minors sharing explicit photos with other minors. A 15 year-old should not be considered a sex offender for sharing a nude photo of themself with another 15 year-old. But it is not uncommon to see prosecutions like that in the US.

Revenge porn laws are ultimately a content-based restriction on the freedom of speech. I'm not surprised to see what some people say in this topic from other countries, but I firmly believe in our First Amendment. I do think there is a right to marital privacy that governs this aspect of law that is largely excepted. However, if you send a nude photo of yourself to a random person, you need to accept responsibility for that. If you start with laws like these, you will inevitably have laws that target unpopular speech. If you go there, what's to stop criminalizing the outing of neo-Nazis?

Just don’t send nude pics, kids….

....but if you do get any, don't republish them.

Perhaps that should be their responsibility, but it should generally not be punishable under law. My Millennial street smarts has also told me to be careful online. Is that mindset gone now?

You do know that copyright exists, right?

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

My Millennial street smarts has also told me to be careful online. Is that mindset gone now?

Yes. Regrettably.

[politicallefty]

You do know that copyright exists, right?

I don't think anyone truly understands it, but your point is probably the most valid in this topic. On the other hand, there is no presumption of copyright (nor should there be). A law making it easier for individuals to obtain copyright of their photos and videos would be different, especially if there is a safe-harbor provision.

My Millennial street smarts has also told me to be careful online. Is that mindset gone now?

Yes. Regrettably.

That is most unfortunate, though not surprising. In cases like these, I do not believe it is the responsibility of government to protect people from themselves.

[Samof94]

Jennifer Lawrence may be pretty but her right as a public figure should not be taken away by having her private life put on the internet against her will. The last three words matter to anyone who is a victim of revenge porn.

[Since I'm the mad scientist proclaimed by myself]

You do know that copyright exists, right?

I don't think anyone truly understands it, but your point is probably the most valid in this topic. On the other hand, there is no presumption of copyright (nor should there be). A law making it easier for individuals to obtain copyright of their photos and videos would be different, especially if there is a safe-harbor provision.

My Millennial street smarts has also told me to be careful online. Is that mindset gone now?

Yes. Regrettably.

That is most unfortunate, though not surprising. In cases like these, I do not believe it is the responsibility of government to protect people from themselves.

You don't seem to get that posting revenge porn is a morally abhorrent act.