TN-5: Rep. Jim Cooper won't seek Re-Election
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« on: January 25, 2022, 02:57:55 PM »

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« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2022, 03:01:02 PM »

Isn’t Nashville getting cracked? Not surprising

Although, he could have not spent years blue dogging it up in a fairly safe district if he was just going to retire the second he faced a red district.
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« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2022, 03:07:54 PM »

Isn’t Nashville getting cracked? Not surprising

Although, he could have not spent years blue dogging it up in a fairly safe district if he was just going to retire the second he faced a red district.

Yeah, this is because Nashville is getting cracked. Cooper was probably just truly a Blue Dog. Not too many old White guys from the South are progressive and not all politicians are so spineless to abandon their personal beliefs to serve their party. Same applies to Manchin.
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« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2022, 03:51:07 PM »

Isn’t Nashville getting cracked? Not surprising

Although, he could have not spent years blue dogging it up in a fairly safe district if he was just going to retire the second he faced a red district.

Yeah, this is because Nashville is getting cracked. Cooper was probably just truly a Blue Dog. Not too many old White guys from the South are progressive and not all politicians are so spineless to abandon their personal beliefs to serve their party. Same applies to Manchin.

Largely this, but also, he was a whole lot more liberal in his later years in Congress than he was in the '90s when he was representing Rural Tennessee.
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« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2022, 06:34:53 PM »

This isn't surprising. His district was dismantled, and Cooper himself was fully expecting for this to be his final term.
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« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2022, 06:37:17 PM »

Is the Blue Dog Coalition even going to survive into next year?
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« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2022, 07:23:30 PM »

Is the Blue Dog Coalition even going to survive into next year?

Yes, there are plenty of them in deep blue districts (Ed Case, David Scott, Brad Schneider, etc.) it’ll live on
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« Reply #7 on: January 25, 2022, 11:03:34 PM »

Not surprising, congratulations to future congressman Quincy McKnight or Robby Starbuck.
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« Reply #8 on: January 25, 2022, 11:22:35 PM »

Not surprising, congratulations to future congressman Quincy McKnight or Robby Starbuck.

Or Leigh-Allyn Baker….

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leigh-Allyn_Baker
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« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2022, 12:48:35 AM »

Is the Blue Dog Coalition even going to survive into next year?

Yes, there are plenty of them in deep blue districts (Ed Case, David Scott, Brad Schneider, etc.) it’ll live on

If they don't get primaried that is
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« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2022, 01:30:48 AM »

Is the Blue Dog Coalition even going to survive into next year?

Yes, there are plenty of them in deep blue districts (Ed Case, David Scott, Brad Schneider, etc.) it’ll live on

None of these are "Blue Dogs" in the sense of (a) being on the conservative side of the party or sponsoring/supporting any consequential conservative legislation; (b) party leadership unable to count on them to vote the party line on the vast majority of liberal proposals. It’s because of this kind of overuse of terms like "Blue Dog" and "moderate" that people have gotten away with referring to Kyrsten Sinema of all people a "Blue Dog" or "conservadem."

It’s also insane to suggest that Manchin is a "genuine" Blue Dog when he almost exclusively votes the party line on extremely liberal judges and nominees who stand against everything he pretends to care about/any area where he ostensibly and vocally "differs" from the national party. Similarly, nothing about Jim Cooper's voting record (voting record =/= rhetoric!) is remotely "conservative" unless you also believe Bruce Poliquin and Susan Colllins are "Rockefeller Republicans" just because they represent New England, lmao. People are just demonstrating their appalling ignorance and gullibility in these kinds of threads.
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« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2022, 01:34:25 AM »

Dammit!
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« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2022, 02:46:23 AM »

Former President Trump & House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy pushing former State Department Spokesperson Morgan Ortagus to run.

She would be IMO the Runaway Favourite in the Republican Primary & the General Election.
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« Reply #13 on: January 26, 2022, 03:14:49 AM »

Former President Trump & House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy pushing former State Department Spokesperson Morgan Ortagus to run.

She would be IMO the Runaway Favourite in the Republican Primary & the General Election.
This also surprised me because she was a never-Trumper (she was a big Jeb Bush supporter lol) and is nowhere near a Trumpist.
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« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2022, 05:03:45 AM »

If, as it seems, this is purely because of the gerrymandering, it feels cowardly for him not to put up a fight for the seat.
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« Reply #15 on: January 26, 2022, 08:19:17 AM »

Is the Blue Dog Coalition even going to survive into next year?

Yes, there are plenty of them in deep blue districts (Ed Case, David Scott, Brad Schneider, etc.) it’ll live on

None of these are "Blue Dogs" in the sense of (a) being on the conservative side of the party or sponsoring/supporting any consequential conservative legislation; (b) party leadership unable to count on them to vote the party line on the vast majority of liberal proposals. It’s because of this kind of overuse of terms like "Blue Dog" and "moderate" that people have gotten away with referring to Kyrsten Sinema of all people a "Blue Dog" or "conservadem."

It’s also insane to suggest that Manchin is a "genuine" Blue Dog when he almost exclusively votes the party line on extremely liberal judges and nominees who stand against everything he pretends to care about/any area where he ostensibly and vocally "differs" from the national party. Similarly, nothing about Jim Cooper's voting record (voting record =/= rhetoric!) is remotely "conservative" unless you also believe Bruce Poliquin and Susan Colllins are "Rockefeller Republicans" just because they represent New England, lmao. People are just demonstrating their appalling ignorance and gullibility in these kinds of threads.


Like you’re not wrong, but Cooper is an actual member of the blue dog coalition in congress

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Dog_Coalition
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« Reply #16 on: January 27, 2022, 01:46:21 AM »

What’s the CPVI for the new TN-05?
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« Reply #17 on: January 27, 2022, 06:35:03 AM »

Any one of these split Nashville districts going to backfire eventually?
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« Reply #18 on: January 27, 2022, 08:25:07 AM »

Any one of these split Nashville districts going to backfire eventually?

Backfire means it ends up at 2 D districts in the area or 3 in total. That will not happen as far as I can tell.
I can see one district flip back Democratic later on though .
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« Reply #19 on: January 27, 2022, 10:36:06 AM »

Is the Blue Dog Coalition even going to survive into next year?

Yes, there are plenty of them in deep blue districts (Ed Case, David Scott, Brad Schneider, etc.) it’ll live on

None of these are "Blue Dogs" in the sense of (a) being on the conservative side of the party or sponsoring/supporting any consequential conservative legislation; (b) party leadership unable to count on them to vote the party line on the vast majority of liberal proposals. It’s because of this kind of overuse of terms like "Blue Dog" and "moderate" that people have gotten away with referring to Kyrsten Sinema of all people a "Blue Dog" or "conservadem."

It’s also insane to suggest that Manchin is a "genuine" Blue Dog when he almost exclusively votes the party line on extremely liberal judges and nominees who stand against everything he pretends to care about/any area where he ostensibly and vocally "differs" from the national party. Similarly, nothing about Jim Cooper's voting record (voting record =/= rhetoric!) is remotely "conservative" unless you also believe Bruce Poliquin and Susan Colllins are "Rockefeller Republicans" just because they represent New England, lmao. People are just demonstrating their appalling ignorance and gullibility in these kinds of threads.

Being a Blue Dog means you joined the Blue Dogs. It doesn't necessarily say anything about how you vote or what you believe in. Someone with a 100% votes with Biden record in the Blue Dogs is a Blue Dog, end of story.

I have no idea what you're talking about here.
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« Reply #20 on: January 27, 2022, 10:44:29 AM »

Is the Blue Dog Coalition even going to survive into next year?

Current Blue Dog members:

O'Halleran (AZ) (Likely Losing Reelection)
Correa (CA)
Costa (CA)
Thompson (CA)
Crist (FL) (Retiring)
Murphy (FL) (Retiring)
Bishop (GA)
Bordeaux (GA) (Likely Losing Renomination to McBath)
Scott (GA)
Case (HI)
Schneider (IL)
Golden (MI) (Likely Losing Reelection)
Gottheimer (NJ)
Sherrill (NJ)
Schrader (OR)
Cooper (TN) (Retiring)
Cuellar (TX) (Quite possibly losing Renomination, if he survives, quite possibly losing Reelection)
Gonzalez (TX)
Spanberger (VA) (In trouble in general, but could well survive)

That's 3 of 19 definitely going and 5 more at least with a chance of going (I think Bordeaux, Golden, and O'Halleran are all toast and Cuellar and Spanberger in danger but not necessarily toast).

So that's 11 out of 19 Blue Dogs that are very likely gonna be in the next Congress plus whatever freshmen. It'll still probably end up a smaller amount than 19, though. Blue Dog Caucus will shrink, but will it shrink proportionally to the party at large? (Yes, it probably will. Even if the Blue Dogs only go from 19 to, say, 16, that's a 15% drop, and House Dems aren't likely to lose 15% of their seats. This gets more dramatic if there's only, like, 14)
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« Reply #21 on: January 27, 2022, 12:06:57 PM »

Any one of these split Nashville districts going to backfire eventually?

Backfire means it ends up at 2 D districts in the area or 3 in total. That will not happen as far as I can tell.
I can see one district flip back Democratic later on though .
Did TN's population gains, if any, this past decade come from the Nashville suburbs?  If so, that might be an indicator that eventually the suburban growth is going to make at least one of these a dummymander... then there's always the possibility of Nashville voters filing in court, or protests outside the new congresspersons' offices to make sure the members of Congress realize they're representing voters that oppose ultra-conservative ideology (which I'm sure the new representatives of Nashville will espouse).
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« Reply #22 on: January 27, 2022, 12:09:45 PM »

Any one of these split Nashville districts going to backfire eventually?

Backfire means it ends up at 2 D districts in the area or 3 in total. That will not happen as far as I can tell.
I can see one district flip back Democratic later on though .
Did TN's population gains, if any, this past decade come from the Nashville suburbs?  If so, that might be an indicator that eventually the suburban growth is going to make at least one of these a dummymander... then there's always the possibility of Nashville voters filing in court, or protests outside the new congresspersons' offices to make sure the members of Congress realize they're representing voters that oppose ultra-conservative ideology (which I'm sure the new representatives of Nashville will espouse).

Yes some of the growth is in Rutherford which is kept whole in its own Safe R district with no other Nashville suburbs. TN05 is the swingiest seat and has a lot of high growth areas most of which have trended D although Maury County is growing fast and not great for Dem's.
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« Reply #23 on: January 27, 2022, 08:53:48 PM »

Former President Trump & House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy pushing former State Department Spokesperson Morgan Ortagus to run.

She would be IMO the Runaway Favourite in the Republican Primary & the General Election.

I'm hoping Quincy McKnight gets the nomination but Ortagus has a good record and I like how she supports paid parental leave and Israel.
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« Reply #24 on: January 27, 2022, 08:56:12 PM »

Hopefully he can make a comeback later in the decade. (2026 or 2028 is what I have in mind)
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