NYT- President Biden considering sending thousands of troops to Eastern Europe and Baltics

[7,052,770]

"You talked about Russia. The 1980s called and want their foreign policy back."

Almost 10 years ago now. Sure aged well. And that was post-Georgian conflict by the way.

There's not much more to say than Romney was right and Obama was wrong. This should be a huge "spike the football" moment for Republicans, but most of the party is so far off the deep end with Trumpism that they don't dare do it.

[Ferguson97]

https://twitter.com/Noahpinion/status/1485564510861594624

[MATTROSE94]

I don't know how to make this any more clear

Biden and Putin both know nuclear war will lead to the end of life on earth. Neither Biden nor Putin want a ground war because they know it will lead to nuclear war, which neither of them want. That's not the threat. The nuclear weapons manufacturers don't even want war.

The threat is: the only reason we're alive right now is because, on more occasions than we are aware of, some low level grunt in the US or Soviet military looked their senior officer in the eye and disobeyed their orders to press the button. Radars make mistakes; most grunts lack the courage to disobey orders; that is an existential threat. There are hawks and ideologues on both sides who are true believer in war, who think that if one American citizen is still standing while all Russians (and all other Americans, and all other forms of life on earth) have perished in nuclear hell, then that is an American victory. And vice versa. If a Commander I'm Chief gets in office who either believes that ideology or is naive/dumb enough to give those hawks the time of day, that is an existential threat.

The more nukes there are, the higher the threat is. The threat is higher now than ever before.

China used to have a conservative nuclear policy. Why stock up on weapon after weapon when they already possess enough nukes to blow every major American city up? Not anymore. Now they're doing what we and the Russians have always done — stockpiling more and more nukes just to enrich the MIC and look tough. India and Pakistan is a huge concern. The fact that we now have nukes small enough that they could feasibly be used against a smaller regional power like Iran or Venezuela is a huge concern. Everyone said we can't trust Trump with the nukes, but nobody tried taking the nukes away.

Again, these countries don't want war, but they want more nukes so they can create more profits for the military-industrial complex and look tough for political points. The more nukes are circulated, the more the countries posture by doing things like Biden is about to do, the higher the risk that an accident happens and we all die. Or that an idiot comes to power and wants to use nukes, like Trump.

The US could decapitate the Russian military and government in a first strike provided that the attack plan is sound and that everything goes according to plan.

Nope, that’s a pretty bad plan. They have continuity of government plans in place just like we do.

If Putin is eliminated, at least the head of be snake will be cut off. Additionally, the Russian people will view Putin negatively if a war with Russia leads to this outcome and will call for peace with the US and NATO.

[Ferguson97]

If Putin is eliminated, at least the head of be snake will be cut off. Additionally, the Russian people will view Putin negatively if a war with Russia leads to this outcome and will call for peace with the US and NATO.

POV: you have zero understanding of Russia's politics

[Joe Biden is your president. Deal with it.]

I just wanna know, is this the start of WW3?

[SteveRogers]

I don't know how to make this any more clear

Biden and Putin both know nuclear war will lead to the end of life on earth. Neither Biden nor Putin want a ground war because they know it will lead to nuclear war, which neither of them want. That's not the threat. The nuclear weapons manufacturers don't even want war.

The threat is: the only reason we're alive right now is because, on more occasions than we are aware of, some low level grunt in the US or Soviet military looked their senior officer in the eye and disobeyed their orders to press the button. Radars make mistakes; most grunts lack the courage to disobey orders; that is an existential threat. There are hawks and ideologues on both sides who are true believer in war, who think that if one American citizen is still standing while all Russians (and all other Americans, and all other forms of life on earth) have perished in nuclear hell, then that is an American victory. And vice versa. If a Commander I'm Chief gets in office who either believes that ideology or is naive/dumb enough to give those hawks the time of day, that is an existential threat.

The more nukes there are, the higher the threat is. The threat is higher now than ever before.

China used to have a conservative nuclear policy. Why stock up on weapon after weapon when they already possess enough nukes to blow every major American city up? Not anymore. Now they're doing what we and the Russians have always done — stockpiling more and more nukes just to enrich the MIC and look tough. India and Pakistan is a huge concern. The fact that we now have nukes small enough that they could feasibly be used against a smaller regional power like Iran or Venezuela is a huge concern. Everyone said we can't trust Trump with the nukes, but nobody tried taking the nukes away.

Again, these countries don't want war, but they want more nukes so they can create more profits for the military-industrial complex and look tough for political points. The more nukes are circulated, the more the countries posture by doing things like Biden is about to do, the higher the risk that an accident happens and we all die. Or that an idiot comes to power and wants to use nukes, like Trump.

The US could decapitate the Russian military and government in a first strike provided that the attack plan is sound and that everything goes according to plan.

Nope, that’s a pretty bad plan. They have continuity of government plans in place just like we do.

If Putin is eliminated, at least the head of be snake will be cut off. Additionally, the Russian people will view Putin negatively if a war with Russia leads to this outcome and will call for peace with the US and NATO.

Eliminating Putin wouldn’t stop Russia from nuking us back any more than nuking the White House and killing Biden would stop us from retaliating.

[ProudModerate2]

The US could decapitate the Russian military and government in a first strike provided that the attack plan is sound and that everything goes according to plan.

You can't possibly be serious with this.

[StateBoiler]

"You talked about Russia. The 1980s called and want their foreign policy back."

Almost 10 years ago now. Sure aged well. And that was post-Georgian conflict by the way.

There's not much more to say than Romney was right and Obama was wrong. This should be a huge "spike the football" moment for Republicans, but most of the party is so far off the deep end with Trumpism that they don't dare do it.

The thing is that was so obviously a planned scripted line to draw laughter and make Romney look like he was out of date on foreign affairs and policy.

They spiked the football following Crimea. I don't even remember if the Obama administration had a response. Pretty hard to deflect a one-liner your guy said in a heavily-watched presidential debate that blows up in your face 2 years later.

[H. Ross Peron]

Biden is about to drag us into the 3rd World War and red avatars talking about technicalities lmao

Putin is a genocidal murderer who needs to go. The Biden Administration needs to immediately launch military strikes against Russia to remove the Putin regime from power.

Just how, exactly, is this course of action in the best interest of the United States of America and its citizens?

By minimizing the chances of future war through deterrance?

[StateBoiler]

Putin is a genocidal murderer who needs to go. The Biden Administration needs to immediately launch military strikes against Russia to remove the Putin regime from power.

See statements like this are why we shouldn't allow people to pick their country/state avatars willy nilly not connected to reality. Is this guy American, Iranian, or somewhere else?

Biden's not going to war with Russia. Not with this Democratic Party and not after everything he said about Afghanistan and Iraq.

[Fuzzy Bear Loves Christian Missionaries]

Biden is about to drag us into the 3rd World War and red avatars talking about technicalities lmao

Putin is a genocidal murderer who needs to go. The Biden Administration needs to immediately launch military strikes against Russia to remove the Putin regime from power.

Just how, exactly, is this course of action in the best interest of the United States of America and its citizens?

By minimizing the chances of future war through deterrance?

When you're launching air strikes, you're past the point of "deterring war".  I think that the most important thing our military ought to do is deter war.  One question to ask if the worst happens here is why we were unable to deter a war that could be nothing but catastrophic.

[H. Ross Peron]

Biden is about to drag us into the 3rd World War and red avatars talking about technicalities lmao

Putin is a genocidal murderer who needs to go. The Biden Administration needs to immediately launch military strikes against Russia to remove the Putin regime from power.

Just how, exactly, is this course of action in the best interest of the United States of America and its citizens?

By minimizing the chances of future war through deterrance?

When you're launching air strikes, you're past the point of "deterring war".  I think that the most important thing our military ought to do is deter war.  One question to ask if the worst happens here is why we were unable to deter a war that could be nothing but catastrophic.

Sorry thought this was just a response to the original story not Mattroses post.

[Ferguson97]

Biden is about to drag us into the 3rd World War and red avatars talking about technicalities lmao

Putin is a genocidal murderer who needs to go. The Biden Administration needs to immediately launch military strikes against Russia to remove the Putin regime from power.

Just how, exactly, is this course of action in the best interest of the United States of America and its citizens?

By minimizing the chances of future war through deterrance?

When you're launching air strikes, you're past the point of "deterring war".  I think that the most important thing our military ought to do is deter war.  One question to ask if the worst happens here is why we were unable to deter a war that could be nothing but catastrophic.

What is your suggestion to prevent Russian invasion of Ukraine?

[HagridOfTheDeep]

I think it’s quite predictable how things will unfold. If you look back at Russian action over the last 15 years, you see that Russia is playing a long game. Putin crosses the line, but not far enough to start war. He waits years, so his action gets normalized/forgotten, and then he crosses the line a little bit more. Rinse and repeat.

Georgia
Crimea
Ukraine

I am not certain that he’d have the courage to go into a NATO country the way things are now, but he’s buying time to see how weak NATO can become under the influence of a crumbling United States. Who’s to know where we’ll be in 6/7 years with a President Trump or DeSantis?

[Fuzzy Bear Loves Christian Missionaries]

Biden is about to drag us into the 3rd World War and red avatars talking about technicalities lmao

Putin is a genocidal murderer who needs to go. The Biden Administration needs to immediately launch military strikes against Russia to remove the Putin regime from power.

Just how, exactly, is this course of action in the best interest of the United States of America and its citizens?

By minimizing the chances of future war through deterrance?

When you're launching air strikes, you're past the point of "deterring war".  I think that the most important thing our military ought to do is deter war.  One question to ask if the worst happens here is why we were unable to deter a war that could be nothing but catastrophic.

What is your suggestion to prevent Russian invasion of Ukraine?

I wish I had the answer.  I'm smart enough to know that this is beyond my pay grade.  From the point of an average American citizen, it looks like we're kind of late in the game to "prevent" the invasion.

What people seem to forget is that an open, shooting war with Russia will be catastrophic to the United States.  It will be catastrophic to Russia as well, but that's of little consequence to China, who will be the beneficiaries of such a war. 

It's almost as if the American President, himself, would have to fly to Kyiv and refuse to leave until the threat was over.  That unusual drama would, possibly, be an unexpected move that would cause Putin to think.  It shouldn't have come to this, of course, but we're late in the game here.

Our relationship with Russia has been grossly mismanaged by multiple Presidents prior to Trump.

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I think it’s quite predictable how things will unfold. If you look back at Russian action over the last 15 years, you see that Russia is playing a long game. Putin crosses the line, but not far enough to start war. He waits years, so his action gets normalized/forgotten, and then he crosses the line a little bit more. Rinse and repeat.

Georgia
Crimea
Ukraine

I am not certain that he’d have the courage to go into a NATO country the way things are now, but he’s buying time to see how weak NATO can become under the influence of a crumbling United States. Who’s to know where we’ll be in 6/7 years with a President Trump or DeSantis?

While Russia may mess with Ukraine, Georgia, or Moldova, they know that an attack on a NATO country is an attack on the US. And they've generally left Finland alone since WW2, despite them never joining NATO.

[Middle-aged Europe]

Wow, this thread contains some really bad takes... it could in fact be considered the motherlode of bad takes.

[GeneralMacArthur]

"You talked about Russia. The 1980s called and want their foreign policy back."

Almost 10 years ago now. Sure aged well. And that was post-Georgian conflict by the way.

There's not much more to say than Romney was right and Obama was wrong. This should be a huge "spike the football" moment for Republicans, but most of the party is so far off the deep end with Trumpism that they don't dare do it.

Is it really worth "spiking the football" over a cheap throwaway comment made in a debate ten years ago?

Romney said plenty of idiotic things that aged very poorly during that contest, as did Obama.  Nobody wastes time bringing them up anymore because relitigating the 2012 election seems like the most pointless thing imaginable.

[Cashew]

Biden should not do this. The United States does not need to have its military resources drawn into yet another theater of the world.

I disagree. I think we could defeat Russia in a war without it going nuclear. Putin would not dare launch nuclear weapons and would surrender once he realized that Russia would be defeated by the US and it’s NATO allies.

How convenient that the guy you believe to be a genocidal maniac wouldn't burn the world down once he has nothing left to lose.

Reminds me of how Iran hawks justify preemptive war by claiming they are irrational zealots willing to die in a nuclear war to destroy Israel while simultaneously telling us after the solemani assassination that that they will never retaliate because they are corrupt cowards above all else.

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https://twitter.com/Noahpinion/status/1485564510861594624

Clearly not someone familiar with the Cuban missile crisis.

[Hindsight was 2020]

https://twitter.com/Noahpinion/status/1485564510861594624

Clearly not someone familiar with the Cuban missile crisis.

Oh right I forgot we are giving Ukraine nukes 🙄

[Not Me, Us]

https://twitter.com/Noahpinion/status/1485564510861594624

Clearly not someone familiar with the Cuban missile crisis.

Comparing arming Ukraine against an unprovoked invasion to the Soviets sticking nukes in Ukraine is in no way comparable.

[Big Abraham]

The problem is that giving weapons to Ukraine is an act of provocation, with the looming prospect of becoming even further entangled in violent conflict.

[ProudModerate2]

The problem is that giving weapons to Ukraine is an act of provocation, with the looming prospect of becoming even further entangled in violent conflict.

If not mistaken, we have been selling them weapons for a number of years now.
It's nothing new (though the amount going there, may have obviously increased in recent months).

[Ferguson97]

The problem is that giving weapons to Ukraine is an act of provocation, with the looming prospect of becoming even further entangled in violent conflict.

Got it, so giving Ukraine the means to defend themselves = provocation

Russia invading a sovereign country = not provocation

Glad we cleared that up