What does Ron DeSantis need to do to win in 2024?

[Tekken_Guy]

What does Ron DeSantis need to do to win in 2024?

[Suburbia]

Be a Trumpist without the racial talk.....

Appeal to Black men in a better way than Trump, and try to win Latino men.

Do better with women

Don't get into the culture wars

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

He's not gonna win the 24 Senate favors D's with Sinema, Kaine, Klobuchar, Baldwin, Stabenow and Casey solidified the 303/234 blue wall the only state he would win is TX, FL and GA and Rosen is gonna win NV in 24 just like CCM and Kelly are ahead and Ruben Gallego is gonna primary Sinema Rs aren't winning AZ

How many times do we have to tell you this D's are gonna win the 303/235, map in 22 with Fetterman and Barnes, CCM, and Bennett and in 24 the Senate is the same in 22/24

[Person Man]

Be a Trumpist without the racial talk.....

Appeal to Black men in a better way than Trump, and try to win Latino men.

Do better with women

Don't get into the culture wars

Isn't him being a poster boy for Illiberal Democracy (making protesting a legally grey area, censoring the universities and schools, and taking direct control over public varsity and collegiate athletic events) violate that last caveat? He's well into the culture wars.

[Roll Roons]

Be a Trumpist without the racial talk.....

Appeal to Black men in a better way than Trump, and try to win Latino men.

Do better with women

Don't get into the culture wars

Isn't him being a poster boy for Illiberal Democracy (making protesting a legally grey area, censoring the universities and schools, and taking direct control over public varsity and collegiate athletic events) violate that last caveat? He's well into the culture wars.

Colleges are ground zero for illiberalism with insane COVID restrictions.

[Person Man]

Be a Trumpist without the racial talk.....

Appeal to Black men in a better way than Trump, and try to win Latino men.

Do better with women

Don't get into the culture wars

Isn't him being a poster boy for Illiberal Democracy (making protesting a legally grey area, censoring the universities and schools, and taking direct control over public varsity and collegiate athletic events) violate that last caveat? He's well into the culture wars.

Colleges are a hotbed for illiberalism with insane COVID restrictions.

Though true, that's not what I was talking about and thanks for reminding me of another illiberal thing he has done- consolidate public health powers. In his defense, he has sold this argument to even some liberals that his Borkian approach of using state power to "promote consumer welfare" is innovative and successful where other policies have failed.

So yeah. He's not staying out of the culture wars. He believes in Illiberal Democracy and has already had success in selling Illiberal Democracy as a way to promote dignity and freedom the way Social Democrats have struggled to do.

His future career depends on him going into the culture wars and being that Leviathan (Illiberal Democracy is what Hobbes was really advocating for).

Back to original question:

DeSantis gets nominated and wins by successfully arguing 1) Trumpism isn't about Trump. 2) Trumpism is indistinguishable from Illiberal Democracy. 3) Illiberal Democracy is a legitimate intellectual tradition and has strong answers to our country, and perhaps the world's problems. 4) He is the vehicle for Illiberal Democracy just as Reagan and W  were the vehicles for Intersectional/Bucklean( the "Fusion" of neoliberalism, neoconservatism, and religious nationalism) Conservativism.

[Xing]

Pray that Trump doesn't run.

[dw93]

Pray Trump doesn't run or Trump is indicted and run as a Trumpist, but with better messaging, and hope the current administration doesn't recover from the woes of the last 6 months.

[Kahane's Grave Is A Gender-Neutral Bathroom]

Atlas Republicans need to realize that illiberal democracy means fewer contested elections to obsess over.

[Del Tachi]

DeSantis' angle is that Trump is an old, effeminate man who has swamp stink on him, was too lockdown/Fauci happy in the early stages of pandemic, didn't deliver on the border wall, and (above all) lost to imbecile Joe Biden. 

Importantly, Republican voters like that DeSantis is a lightening rod for criticism from the left who can give as good as he gets (and so much better than Trump ever did!) 

[TodayJunior]

First, win re-election this year, and by 10+% (tough, but not impossible now I must concede) bc right now his only actual victories are a small 0.4.% victory in the GE and a massive primary win due to trump’s heavy hand of influence;

Second, as said above, hope trump doesn’t run

Third, if he gets the nomination, pick a sane VP choice like Tim Scott, which could prove crucial in places like Georgia, which the gop has to win back to have a plausible path to 270 (WI/PA alone won’t be enough).

Fourth (and this is out of his control as a challenger), is the national environment. Whether it’s Biden or not, the incumbent party must retain a 50% disapproval or higher in the aggregate. And even then, no matter how bad the Dem approvals are, no Republican is going to get above 320 in the electoral college (2016+NV/NH). It’s just not happening due to polarization.

[Person Man]

First, win re-election this year, and by 10+% (tough, but not impossible now I must concede) bc right now his only actual victories are a small 0.4.% victory in the GE and a massive primary win due to trump’s heavy hand of influence;

Second, as said above, hope trump doesn’t run

Third, if he gets the nomination, pick a sane VP choice like Tim Scott, which could prove crucial in places like Georgia, which the gop has to win back to have a plausible path to 270 (WI/PA alone won’t be enough).

Fourth (and this is out of his control as a challenger), is the national environment. Whether it’s Biden or not, the incumbent party must retain a 50% disapproval or higher in the aggregate. And even then, no matter how bad the Dem approvals are, no Republican is going to get above 320 in the electoral college (2016+NV/NH). It’s just not happening due to polarization.

I guess Republicans are due for their 2008 but unless things steadily get worse for Democrats like they have for the last 6 months, 2016 is pretty close, though not quite, to their ceiling. In 2028, I could see DeSantis getting elected by the same margin that Obama did by winning everything short of Colorado and Virginia.

[2016]

A lot of people don't understand something: DeSantis is still quite young. Right now being Governor and complete a 2nd Term is unbelievably powerful, I would say even more powerful then being President especially if you are governing the 3rd largest State in the Country after CA and TX.

If I would advise DeSantis I'd say make sure you win Re-Election, complete your 2nd Term and then run in 2028.

DeSantis has time on his side. Let lyin Ted Cruz & bonaheaded Josh Hawley destroy themselves during the 2024 Primary and you have an easier ride to the Nomination in 2028.

[Person Man]

A lot of people don't understand something: DeSantis is still quite young. Right now being Governor and complete a 2nd Term is unbelievably powerful, I would say even more powerful then being President especially if you are governing the 3rd largest State in the Country after CA and TX.

If I would advise DeSantis I'd say make sure you win Re-Election, complete your 2nd Term and then run in 2028.

DeSantis has time on his side. Let lyin Ted Cruz & bonaheaded Josh Hawley destroy themselves during the 2024 Primary and you have an easier ride to the Nomination in 2028.

W ran in his second term as Governor of Texas.

[President Johnson]

First, win re-election this year, and by 10+% (tough, but not impossible now I must concede) bc right now his only actual victories are a small 0.4.% victory in the GE and a massive primary win due to trump’s heavy hand of influence;

Second, as said above, hope trump doesn’t run

Third, if he gets the nomination, pick a sane VP choice like Tim Scott, which could prove crucial in places like Georgia, which the gop has to win back to have a plausible path to 270 (WI/PA alone won’t be enough).

Fourth (and this is out of his control as a challenger), is the national environment. Whether it’s Biden or not, the incumbent party must retain a 50% disapproval or higher in the aggregate. And even then, no matter how bad the Dem approvals are, no Republican is going to get above 320 in the electoral college (2016+NV/NH). It’s just not happening due to polarization.

This would definitely be a gamble, as it almost always in electoral politics. Often it's just timing that decides who becomes president, governor or senator. If you run in the wrong year, you're not getting there. Some high profile Democrats decided it was better to sit out the 1992 election as it looked like Poppy Bush's reelection was a shoe-in in 1991 and the aftermath of the first Gulf War.

If DeSantis doesn't run in 2024, he might not get a better chance even later on, regardless of his age. After his term expires in 2027, he at least needs something else to stay relevant and not be old news beyond the 2028 cycle. He actually would depend in Biden winning reelection to have a strong opening in 2028. If Biden loses or retires and Kamala loses to general election to another Republican, DeSantis obviously can't challenge the Republican president for the nomination and would have to wait for 2032. And even if he manages to stay relevant enough until then, he either runs to succeed a two term Republican in an election that would favor the Democrats. Or, if Biden's Republican successor is a one termer, DeSantis would face an incumbent Democratic president and possibly be an underdog here. Lastly, if a term-limited Trump is the incumbent in 2028, the Democratic candidate might very well be favored after another chaotic four years and no incumbency advantage with the Republicans. So either way, it's a gamble. I'd at least try in 2024 in his position. Even if he loses to Biden, he could still try again four years later unless he got completely wiped out.

[Ferguson97]

DeSantis' angle is that Trump is an old, effeminate man who has swamp stink on him, was too lockdown/Fauci happy in the early stages of pandemic, didn't deliver on the border wall, and (above all) lost to imbecile Joe Biden. 

Importantly, Republican voters like that DeSantis is a lightening rod for criticism from the left who can give as good as he gets (and so much better than Trump ever did!) 

DeSantis is like the last person who could call Trump effeminate lol

[Kleine Scheiße]

Get himself a good set of kneepads

[LGIN]

stay awake

[Utah Neolib]

stay awake

no I’m asleep

[sg0508]

Ronnie needs to manage the housing crisis that's in full swing in his own state. That in itself could be his undoing.  His answer of "that's capitalism" is arrogant and I fully believe arrogance gets humbled at some point.

[TodayJunior]

Ronnie needs to manage the housing crisis that's in full swing in his own state. That in itself could be his undoing.  His answer of "that's capitalism" is arrogant and I fully believe arrogance gets humbled at some point.

And he is desperate to blame Biden for everything. So which is it, Ron? Since you’re such a states rights activist and all…Whose responsibility does it fall under? Can’t have it both ways dude.