2004 User Predictions - Discussion

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I have my map ready. This is what I think will happen. Democrats are fooling themselves.

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Here it is :

http://www.uselectionatlas.org/USPRESIDENT/GENERAL/CAMPAIGN/2004/USERMAPS/pe20041170P1

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Miami you posted your map on this board earlier how'd you do that?

BTW, Canes stink, go Hokies!

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Here we go :



Any chance of California ever going Republican again?

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Bringing morality back to the oval office, cutting taxes, and fighting terrorism. Clinton whereas  brought shame to the oval office, hiked taxes (the largest tax hike in US history), and did very very little about terrorism. Most people dont want to change horses during wartime either.

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I would contend the National Debt is really meaningless. Everyone carries debt, debt isnt always a bad thing. Only one president in US History has ever payed off the National Debt and no president will ever do it again. Americans are overtaxed and thats a fact, overtaxed by a questionable tax system in the first place. Get rid of the IRS and put in a national sales tax. So its ok the Clinton lied to a grand jury? Ok, if you ever get called for a grand jury and lie what are they going to do to you? Let you go free and clear? Doubtful. Perjury is criminal whether its lying about a blowjob or lying about murder. I bet you'd be the first the crucify Nixon though. I remember Travelgate, Whitewater, Filegate, Vince Foster and on and on. Bush didnt lie about Iraq, he stated what he believed, Kerry agreed with Bush before the start of the war. Sadam did have WMD and they are probably still in Iraq or in Syria. Anyone that says their are no WMD are lying to themselves and to the Americans. Some of those weapons they had that killed thousands you can fit into a tube that you can put in your pocket. So whats not to say they weren't snuck out or buried? What about all the weapons the US Soldiers have found buried since the war? They wouldnt bury the WMD which would be the most damning evidence against them? Just for example. Have the Europeans ever found all the art work and gold the Nazis hid in the Second World War?

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States have sales tax and it doesnt "kill" the middle class. If the national sales tax was say 6%, everyone would pay 6%. Not just poor or middle class. If their weren't any deductions for tax from your pay check you would have that extra money to spend and would more then make up for what the sales tax would take. You are right I dont depend on any government assistance but I am far from rich, I'm just barely middle class. Their is plenty of work in this nation for people to keep themselves off assistance, it's the motivation of people thats the problem.

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Gustaf I like your signature. The Oscar Wilde quote though sure doesnt hold up with Kerry. Being consistent isn't one of Kerrys strongpoints. Also, when is the last time a senator, one whos spent any time in the senate, has been elected President. J.F.K. was often out so skip him.

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Al, how about scrapping the whole system and implementing a fairer tax system? One that doesn't have "Constitutional Questionability". The first thing that needs to go is the IRS.

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States Rights-
The only way to responsibly reduce taxes is to cut services as well.  I think that we should, as Chairman Greenspan suggested, eliminate Social Security and Medicare and make the tax cuts permanent, eliminate the FICA while we're at it.  Then revenues are reduced to $1.3t and outlays are reduced to $1.4t plus the cost of war.  We could easily make up the other $100b in loophole closings and cross-purpose program elimination.

That would go over like a lead ballon? I think thats a little extreme. Although, I dont believe in this "Social Security Trustfund", aren't the social security checks that old folks receive now the Social Security Taxes that the younger working people are paying now? How would their be any Trustfund in that case?

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Nowadays if you end up with no money in your old age it's your own fault. Many, many companies offer excellent retirement packages and 401(K). I do not expect social security to be there by the time I'm able to retire. I'm almost 25 now, I'll probably have to be 80 to get benefits, I know right now its 75 for me.

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Yes the economy, the jobs everything being bad is because of the President. I forgot Companies that are laying people off are run by Individual CEOs and that individuals buy into the stock market. I'm sorry but everything cant be blamed on the President. What about Alan Greenspan, doesnt he have more power over the economy then Bush?

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So many things affect the economy I find it hard to believe it can be blamed on one man and one man alone. Companies dont follow lockstep with the president. Companies are going to layoff or hire whether or not the President says jobs need to be increased. Just like where I work our boss tries to tell us "We havent got a cost of living raise because Republicans are in office." What a bunch of horse mess. Our companys profits have increased 5% every quarter since Bush took office. And they continue growing. Too many people try to blame the President for all the woes of our country.

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And if you want to take it another step, the congress actually has more authority and influence then the President does. Gustaf have you ever traveled to the US?

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Just curious is all. I recommend touring Florida first. ;-)

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The Northeast? Hope you come armed. lol. BTW how do you do the graphic smiles?

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The Northeast? Hope you come armed. lol. BTW how do you do the graphic smiles?

You use combinaitons of :s and )s mostly. If you quote this post you'll see how they're written: etc

ok I was putting a - between the ; and the )

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I want to see a 72 or 84 style election this year just for a laugh. Man I'd love that.

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Yeah I doubt that will ever happen again in my lifetime. Politicians nowadays are afraid to speak their mind! Its like the spoof the MAD TV did where the Democrat and Republican were saying the same things and then arguing with each other it.

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Forlon, how do you justify Florida going Democrat? JEB won in a landslide and is still very popular. The Gay Marriage issue is going to put Bush ahead of Kerry IMHO. I think Bush should definately make the Gay Marriage Issue a important part of his campaign. I'd generalize and say most Gays dont vote republican, so he doesnt have anything to lose by being against Gay Marriage.

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The schools are a big big big issue around here. JEBs school policies are liked by many. Kerry might want to steer clear of the education issue unless he supports vouchers.

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Unlike many I dont really believe polls. Their are 15 million people that live in Florida. Eight Hundred is a small small small number.

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Thats how it has been as of late. States the contain the very largest cities have gone democrat. New York, PA, NJ, NY, CA, MI, and Ill.

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I agree large cities are ruling the roost right now. Thank God the framers were wise enough to put a system in that takes some of the edge off that influence (Electoral College).

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IMHO 1 vote in a major city is worth 3 votes compared to Stick Town, North Dakota.