Do you prefer homosexual civil union or marriage?

[David Hume]

The government should not discriminate against same sex couples, for both legal and moral reasons. Heterosexual couples enjoys benefits like insurance, tax, inherence, etc. The government must not deny homosexual couple these benefits.

On the other hand, marriage is an extremely important cultural issue. Without overwhelming consensus, the government should not force individuals to take its positions on cultural issues, especially against their religious believes.

This is why I prefer civil union. If I can decide the policy, I would stop the government agencies from issuing "certificate of marriage", but switch to "certificate of civil union". I would treat marriage as a special form of civil union between a man and a woman. In this way, we will have a legal concept of civil union, which no one is discriminated against, and a cultural concept of marriage, which I would leave it for the people and groups of people like the church to decide for themselves.

[Statilius the Epicurean]

Am I in 2008 again?

[Schiff for Senate]

Am I in 2008 again?

This is exactly what I think; the correct answer is 'marriage' unless your a homophobe.



Keep up with times; the new controversial culture war issue is transgenders - gay marriage has been a non issue since about 2015 except for crackpot religious conservatives; I've been infracted twice for transphobic comments (out of thrice total - and the third time was YE shortening a thread title because it broke the page).

[Statilius the Epicurean]

Am I in 2008 again?

This is exactly what I think; the correct answer is 'marriage' unless your a homophobe.



Keep up with times; the new controversial culture war issue is transgenders - gay marriage has been a non issue since about 2015 except for crackpot religious conservatives; I've been infracted twice for transphobic comments (out of thrice total - and the third time was YE shortening a thread title because it broke the page).

It's mostly funny because civil unions was the classic dumb "Moderate Hero" position that no-one at the time was satisfied with except politicians trying to avoid offending both sides.

[Klobmentum Mutilated Herself]

Marriage, but couples who dislike the patriarchal history behind marriage and choose to get a civil union instead are also valid.

[TDAS04]

lol

[progressive85]

Wow, We must really bored today.  2004 wants its divisive wedge issues back.

[If my soul was made of stone]

The state shouldn't define certain interpersonal relationships to begin with.

(horseshoe theory across arch-libertarians, theocrats who think that only religious institutions should define marriage, and queer radicals)

[Zendstrummer]

Marriage is a union of one man and one woman. Civil Unions are useless.

[John Dule]

Sorry, but gay marriage is still very much an issue. In my jurisprudence class last semester, I would say a majority of my fellow law students opposed gay marriage. Instead, they wanted to abolish the institution of marriage altogether because expecting homosexuals to "conform" to that standard is "assimilationist and heteronormative."

[Ferguson97]

Sorry, but gay marriage is still very much an issue. In my jurisprudence class last semester, I would say a majority of my fellow law students opposed gay marriage. Instead, they wanted to abolish the institution of marriage altogether because expecting homosexuals to "conform" to that standard is "assimilationist and heteronormative."

Is this a sarcastic quip or are you being serious?

[John Dule]

Sorry, but gay marriage is still very much an issue. In my jurisprudence class last semester, I would say a majority of my fellow law students opposed gay marriage. Instead, they wanted to abolish the institution of marriage altogether because expecting homosexuals to "conform" to that standard is "assimilationist and heteronormative."

Is this a sarcastic quip or are you being serious?

This is a 100% true anecdote. I was the only person who actually spoke up in favor of gay marriage in the whole class. Most people were mocking the SCOTUS decision for implying that unmarried people couldn't live fulfilling lives, which they deemed offensive.

[Meclazine for Israel]

I am not big on same sex marriage.

Come to think of it, I am not big on opposite sex marriage either.

Boom. Boom.

[Lexii, harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy]

Sorry, but gay marriage is still very much an issue. In my jurisprudence class last semester, I would say a majority of my fellow law students opposed gay marriage. Instead, they wanted to abolish the institution of marriage altogether because expecting homosexuals to "conform" to that standard is "assimilationist and heteronormative."

Is this a sarcastic quip or are you being serious?

This is a 100% true anecdote. I was the only person who actually spoke up in favor of gay marriage in the whole class. Most people were mocking the SCOTUS decision for implying that unmarried people couldn't live fulfilling lives, which they deemed offensive.

Do you attend some affiliate of BYU, Pensacola CC or Liberty U in California?

[John Dule]

Sorry, but gay marriage is still very much an issue. In my jurisprudence class last semester, I would say a majority of my fellow law students opposed gay marriage. Instead, they wanted to abolish the institution of marriage altogether because expecting homosexuals to "conform" to that standard is "assimilationist and heteronormative."

Is this a sarcastic quip or are you being serious?

This is a 100% true anecdote. I was the only person who actually spoke up in favor of gay marriage in the whole class. Most people were mocking the SCOTUS decision for implying that unmarried people couldn't live fulfilling lives, which they deemed offensive.

Do you attend some affiliate of BYU, Pensacola CC or Liberty U in California?

I attend a T14 law school. Everyone in my class besides me and some Evangelical guy is either left or far-left.

[Ferguson97]

Sorry, but gay marriage is still very much an issue. In my jurisprudence class last semester, I would say a majority of my fellow law students opposed gay marriage. Instead, they wanted to abolish the institution of marriage altogether because expecting homosexuals to "conform" to that standard is "assimilationist and heteronormative."

Is this a sarcastic quip or are you being serious?

This is a 100% true anecdote. I was the only person who actually spoke up in favor of gay marriage in the whole class. Most people were mocking the SCOTUS decision for implying that unmarried people couldn't live fulfilling lives, which they deemed offensive.

I’m sorry I just find this difficult to believe. I’ve seen a handful of people say this, but not anywhere close to enough that an entire law class would agree with it.

[Sir Mohamed]

Marriage.

But civil unions should be an alternative for both hetero and homosexual couples that don't want to marry.

[𝕭𝖆𝖕𝖙𝖎𝖘𝖙𝖆 𝕸𝖎𝖓𝖔𝖑𝖆]

The state shouldn't define certain interpersonal relationships to begin with.

(horseshoe theory across arch-libertarians, theocrats who think that only religious institutions should define marriage, and queer radicals)

This is how I feel at my most contrarian, yes.

(I suppose I count under theocrat; if you are the queer radical we now need to find an arch-libertarian to complete the triad)

[Person Man]

The Government should only recognize civil unions and they should be available to all. Marriages should be available as they are now within the framework of those willing to do the marriage.

[Crane]

Am I in 2008 again?

This is exactly what I think; the correct answer is 'marriage' unless your a homophobe.



Keep up with times; the new controversial culture war issue is transgenders - gay marriage has been a non issue since about 2015 except for crackpot religious conservatives; I've been infracted twice for transphobic comments (out of thrice total - and the third time was YE shortening a thread title because it broke the page).

You have been told many times that it's offensive to refer to them as "transgenders" - I don't understand why this hasn't permeated your brain.

[John Dule]

Sorry, but gay marriage is still very much an issue. In my jurisprudence class last semester, I would say a majority of my fellow law students opposed gay marriage. Instead, they wanted to abolish the institution of marriage altogether because expecting homosexuals to "conform" to that standard is "assimilationist and heteronormative."

Is this a sarcastic quip or are you being serious?

This is a 100% true anecdote. I was the only person who actually spoke up in favor of gay marriage in the whole class. Most people were mocking the SCOTUS decision for implying that unmarried people couldn't live fulfilling lives, which they deemed offensive.

I’m sorry I just find this difficult to believe. I’ve seen a handful of people say this, but not anywhere close to enough that an entire law class would agree with it.

The people who disagreed didn't raise their hands or speak out about it, so I can only assume they didn't find the arguments objectionable enough to vocally disagree with.

[Crane]

Sorry, but gay marriage is still very much an issue. In my jurisprudence class last semester, I would say a majority of my fellow law students opposed gay marriage. Instead, they wanted to abolish the institution of marriage altogether because expecting homosexuals to "conform" to that standard is "assimilationist and heteronormative."

Is this a sarcastic quip or are you being serious?

This is a 100% true anecdote. I was the only person who actually spoke up in favor of gay marriage in the whole class. Most people were mocking the SCOTUS decision for implying that unmarried people couldn't live fulfilling lives, which they deemed offensive.

In this case, they're right - Kennedy's "lives of loneliness" schlock was designed to give himself some historical catchet. It had nothing to do with the Constitution

[John Dule]

Sorry, but gay marriage is still very much an issue. In my jurisprudence class last semester, I would say a majority of my fellow law students opposed gay marriage. Instead, they wanted to abolish the institution of marriage altogether because expecting homosexuals to "conform" to that standard is "assimilationist and heteronormative."

Is this a sarcastic quip or are you being serious?

This is a 100% true anecdote. I was the only person who actually spoke up in favor of gay marriage in the whole class. Most people were mocking the SCOTUS decision for implying that unmarried people couldn't live fulfilling lives, which they deemed offensive.

In this case, they're right - Kennedy's "lives of loneliness" schlock was designed to give himself some historical catchet. It had nothing to do with the Constitution

I agree it was pretty cornball, but acting like it implicitly declares that unmarried people are inherently lonely and pathetic is stupid.

[S019]

Am I in 2008 again?

When I opened this thread, I thought it was some old thread that someone had necroed.

[Kahane's Grave Is A Gender-Neutral Bathroom]

Sorry, but gay marriage is still very much an issue. In my jurisprudence class last semester, I would say a majority of my fellow law students opposed gay marriage. Instead, they wanted to abolish the institution of marriage altogether because expecting homosexuals to "conform" to that standard is "assimilationist and heteronormative."

Is this a sarcastic quip or are you being serious?

Whenever public opinion goes to the liberal side liberals will make the case that the opposite they just fought to get rid of is good. Like the 'People of Color Safe Spaces' in universities.