Which America would you rather live in?

[progressive85]

Option 1 is the Christian Left.
So the government is officially Christian, the Bible is next to the Constitution as the nation's most important guide, but the Bible is mainly interpreted in an economic way, using Gospel and Scripture to advance major social spending, massive budgets for wealth redistribution, a War on Poverty, expansion of Social Security and food stamps, and Medicare for all that choose to be on it.  The taxes are sky-high on the rich, and instead of brackets, there's a sliding scale which each wealth of a person having a corresponding rate that goes up gradually higher little by little.  Social issues are not that important in this America, as wealth and access to health care are considered the more important government priorities.  For argument's sake, let's say that there is a clean-cut, family-friendly atmosphere in the culture - no profane language, much less sexualization, no glorification of drugs or alcohol.  Overall, spiritual life is an enormous part of daily life.  Church membership is very very high - churches form the foundation of your social life.  Nearly all churches heavily favor the Democratic Party and many rail against Republican policies - although in this conformist society, being conservative on economic issues is akin to being a Social Darwinist!

Option 2 is the Non-religious Right.
This country is much more libertarian than the Christian one, and less conformist.  Individual freedom is heavily valued here - and you have the right to pretty much do anything you want, even not pay taxes.  Taxes are LOATHED in this America and so is the idea of much Government at all.  There's strong support for military and police but not much else.  There is hardly any religion here in this America - church pews are bare on Sunday mornings.  Most people are on their iPhones or Spotify or playing video games.  The word "God" is barely ever spoken.  People like it that way - they associate religion with too much intervention in people's private lives.  With the government relying on a meager tax base, and taxes on the rich constantly being slashed, everything is privatized for the most part - and if you can't make it on your own, that's tough.  There's no real sense of community in this America - kids are taught in school to be their own individuals and take care of themselves.  The idea of a church charity or a potluck meal is thought of as ridiculous and antiquated.  There's a colder vibe to this America - you have your freedom, but you keep to yourself mostly.

[TheReckoning]

Christian Left extremely easily. While the sky-high taxes aren’t sustainable long-term, the other option sounds like a literal hellscape.

[Saint Milei]

Non religious right. A christian left is no different than an atheist left. They will use god to bring about communism and destroy this world. Also, tupac probably dies in that world and we can't have that

[TPIG]

The religious left. I'd easily take higher taxes for the sake of broad social cohesion, widespread commitment to God, and a genuinely moral populace. The other option, with unrestrained capitalism divorced from any sort of moral grounding, sounds truly awful.

[Vosem]

Second one seems like it goes a bit far -- opposition to government doesn't mean opposition to voluntary association! -- but like it has the right values in principle.

[YE]

Christian Left by far. Non-religious right is basically the current mess in the US despite the political influence and respective pandering of the religious right of and by the natural governing party here.

[Vice President Christian Man]

Christian Left

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Christian Left

[bagelman]

Christian left generally sounds better. I can't imagine it has legal gay marriage though. Assuming it doesn't, does it have civil unions, nothing, or some kind of institutional homophobic conversion attempts?

[Vice President Christian Man]

Weird looking map but it's a different political system.

Christian Left: 297 E.V.
Nonchristian Right: 241 E.V.

[S019]

This choice is quite unfortunate for those who happen to be non-Christian or otherwise favor freedom of religion. I need some help deciding so I'll ask the OP, are you persecuted for not believing in the Bible or not practicing Christianity in the First Nation?

[OSR stands with Israel]

This choice is quite unfortunate for those who happen to be non-Christian or otherwise favor freedom of religion. I need some help deciding so I'll ask the OP, are you persecuted for not believing in the Bible or not practicing Christianity in the First Nation?

[H. Ross Peron]

I'll take MLK's America over Ayn Rand's any day.

[Cokeland Saxton]

Christian Left, easily

[Antonio the Sixth]

I'll take MLK's America over Ayn Rand's any day.

Well put.

[😥]

Christian Left, very easily

[Sir Mohamed]

That's easy: Christian left.

[Santander]

You can't have a "Christian" country that doesn't care about morality, lol. There is nothing inherently moral about high taxation, and interpreting the Bible as an economic guide is misguided, at best. Everything about the first society is full of self-contradictions.

At least the Randian America isn't self-contradictory or a one-party state. Give me freedom any day.

[progressive85]

This choice is quite unfortunate for those who happen to be non-Christian or otherwise favor freedom of religion. I need some help deciding so I'll ask the OP, are you persecuted for not believing in the Bible or not practicing Christianity in the First Nation?

No I would imagine it would be highly promoted but not at all persecuted.  You might even broaden it to include all religion and spirituality, just as long as the society was built upon a concept of what was holy and what was following the religious beliefs of the overwhelming majority of people.

I thought it was interesting to contrast between two societies whereby the more progressive one on public policy was religious in nature, whereas the right-wing one on public policy was not religious at all.  I wonder if there are countries where the most religious voters are on the left  side of the spectrum ?

[progressive85]

You can't have a "Christian" country that doesn't care about morality, lol. There is nothing inherently moral about high taxation, and interpreting the Bible as an economic guide is misguided, at best. Everything about the first society is full of self-contradictions.

At least the Randian America isn't self-contradictory or a one-party state. Give me freedom any day.

The morality of the first country is not on "body issues" (homosexuals, abortion, etc) the way we've been trained to think about morality.

Morality in this case means being a good person, or being a "Christian" (in the old sense of the word) which implies charity, generosity, being kind... and it really has no bearing on abortion or gays or anything of that nature.

I really do feel in the U.S. with the rise of the religious right wing and all of those televangelists and organizations like "Focus on the Family" that we have a very twisted view of what moral values are - and that we've placed entirely too much emphasis on sexual purity and sexual conformity to the exclusion of so much else that makes a person moral.

Also , I'd like to add that right-wing, free market, classical liberalism at its most excessive doesn't sound to me at all like Gospel, and in fact it sounds like something very dark and very cold  and very hard to grasp for me, who was raised Catholic.  The idea that the government would be completely in the hands of people who were stone-cold libertarians that had no belief that taxpayer dollars should be used to exemplify Christ-like values strikes me as rather vicious.  That's not to say that conservatism is mean or cruel, but yes - Martin Luther King's America (or Tammy Faye Bakker's America) sounds a lot nicer to live in than Paul Ryan or Ayn Rand or Donald Trump's America, where the elites use libertarian philosophy to get exactly what they want: control of the economic system to benefit themselves.

[RINO Tom]

Weird looking map but it's a different political system.

Christian Left: 297 E.V.
Nonchristian Right: 241 E.V.

You underestimate how collectivist "coastal liberals" actually are.

[Person Man]

The former, of course. Capitalism and Socialism are both bad. On the other hand, strong cultural norms are superior to having none. Especially if there isn’t any violent cohesion and system actually provides well for its residents.

[FT-02 Senator A.F.E. 🇵🇸🤝🇺🇸🤝🇺🇦]

Christian left >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consoomerist sh!thole

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

Christian left generally sounds better. I can't imagine it has legal gay marriage though. Assuming it doesn't, does it have civil unions, nothing, or some kind of institutional homophobic conversion attempts?

Plenty on the Christian Left support gay marriage, and some churches were even ahead of the rest of the United States on the issue.

[Person Man]

Christian left generally sounds better. I can't imagine it has legal gay marriage though. Assuming it doesn't, does it have civil unions, nothing, or some kind of institutional homophobic conversion attempts?

Plenty on the Christian Left support gay marriage, and some churches were even ahead of the rest of the United States on the issue.

It could have pretty secular laws and regulations  in general but have a conservative culture. That could potentially be the best thing.