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King of Kensington
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« on: January 15, 2022, 10:38:40 PM »

Think this exercise has been done in the past but what it would like today?  2011 election was the closest Canada had to a British style result with the Liberals largely becoming a party of university towns and the Celtic fringe (Atlantic Canada).
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« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2022, 02:51:05 AM »

The 2018 Ontario provincial election also had a Labour big, Liberals small dynamic, with the Liberals doing especially well with the "too educated to vote Tory, too bourgeois to vote NDP" constituency.
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« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2022, 02:27:52 PM »

Its fair to say the Canadian and UK Tories have broadly the same core electorate?
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« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2022, 03:15:06 PM »

Its fair to say the Canadian and UK Tories have broadly the same core electorate?

My impression is that the UK Tories have a bigger tent, at least in major cities, than the Canadian Tories do.

I think the Canadian Tories are worse off in Toronto, Montreal & Vancouver than the UK Tories are in London, for instance. Part of that certainly comes from the Canadian Liberals being perceived as more of an establishment party than their British counterparts
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« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2022, 03:23:30 PM »

Its fair to say the Canadian and UK Tories have broadly the same core electorate?

No: the British Conservatives have substantial levels of loyal support from the managerial classes that their Canadian counterparts lack. They can appeal to such people, but in Central Canada it is at best contested territory with the Liberals. The Canadian Conservatives partially make up for this through extra support (cutting across all manner of social and economic divisions) in the West due to regional tensions.
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« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2022, 03:23:51 PM »

The Tories win a lot more elections
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« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2022, 04:24:49 PM »

Plaid would sweep Quebec
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« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2022, 04:44:53 PM »
« Edited: January 16, 2022, 04:49:21 PM by Ellie Rowsell, Yung Globalist »

The Canadian Conservatives partially make up for this through extra support (cutting across all manner of social and economic divisions) in the West due to regional tensions.
The UK does have regional tensions of its own that manifest themselves electorally, but these work against the Conservative Party. Scotland is the obvious example, but Merseyside is also increasingly an Alberta-style electoral swamp because the Tories are seen as being against the region as a whole.
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« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2022, 09:16:37 PM »
« Edited: January 16, 2022, 09:22:14 PM by King of Kensington »

Its fair to say the Canadian and UK Tories have broadly the same core electorate?

No: the British Conservatives have substantial levels of loyal support from the managerial classes that their Canadian counterparts lack. They can appeal to such people, but in Central Canada it is at best contested territory with the Liberals. The Canadian Conservatives partially make up for this through extra support (cutting across all manner of social and economic divisions) in the West due to regional tensions.

With British parties, a riding like Don Valley West in Toronto would be a Tory stronghold with the Lib-Dems as the main opposition.

No British equivalent of the Prairies/Great Plains in North America.  Not sure if a regional party on the right would emerge in the 25 or so rural Prairie ridings.  Just hard to imagine Don Valley West and Souris-Moose Mountain having similar voting patterns.


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« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2022, 09:48:46 AM »

No British equivalent of the Prairies/Great Plains in North America.  Not sure if a regional party on the right would emerge in the 25 or so rural Prairie ridings.  Just hard to imagine Don Valley West and Souris-Moose Mountain having similar voting patterns.
I think some educated guesses can be made. The main cities have a Labour core but overall vote Conservative. The agricultural and oil dependent areas vote strongly Conservative (though the agricultural areas may have some Lib Dem history). The post-industrial areas may vote Labour (it’s unclear to me how much impact industries such as coal mining have on voting habits given the lack of obvious enduring NDP strength, can other posters expand on this?). The Indigenous areas are probably the hardest to work out. The strength of the NDP in these areas suggests Labour, but they’re the sort of group that either the Lib Dems or regionalist party could appeal to (and there would probably be stark geographic divisions).
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