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WD
Western Democrat
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 6,573
Ukraine


Political Matrix
E: -7.35, S: -0.35

« on: January 14, 2022, 07:29:03 PM »
« edited: January 31, 2022, 02:17:31 AM by Senator WD, PPT »

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A RESOLUTION
To prevent Senate procedural abuse

Be it resolved by the Senate of the Republic of Atlasia

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Section 1. Title

This resolution may be cited as the Anti-Filibuster Senate Rules Change.

Section 2. Amendment to Senate Rules

Section 3.1 of the Official Senate Procedures and Rules for Operation is hereby amended:

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1.) During the course of debate on legislation, any sitting Senator may offer amendments to the legislation. The President Pro Tempore may remove amendments from consideration that are functionally impractical, frivolous, directly unconstitutional, or lack clear intent regarding the changes to be made. The amendment sponsor shall have 24 hours to object to the decision and may overturn the action with the concurrence of 1/3rd 8 of his fellow Senators. Unless stated otherwise in the amendment, components of the underlying legislation not referenced in an amendment will remain unchanged.

Sponsor: Scott

The President is invited to advocate.
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WD
Western Democrat
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 6,573
Ukraine


Political Matrix
E: -7.35, S: -0.35

« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2022, 07:54:17 PM »

The gross abuse of the rules we’ve seen on the floor today is simply unacceptable. Section 3.1 is not meant for a minority of Senators to spam silly, frivolous, unserious amendments and then overrule the PPT over and over again so they can block and forever draw out the passage of a bill they don’t like. A minority of the chamber does not get to overrule the wishes of the majority. That is not right, and that is not how it should work in the Atlasian Senate.

I would hope that no Senator would want to replicate the poisonous, toxic mess that is the United States Senate; yet apparently some are hell bent on doing so. This change is reasonable, (although I would like to amend it to 1/2); and ensures a vocal minority cannot derail the Senate agenda. Anyone who opposes the RL filibuster should support this rule change.
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WD
Western Democrat
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 6,573
Ukraine


Political Matrix
E: -7.35, S: -0.35

« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2022, 03:02:23 AM »

Frankly, I believe it should be 50% of present and voting Senators. Under no circumstances should a minority of Senators be able to dictate the Senate agenda.
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WD
Western Democrat
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 6,573
Ukraine


Political Matrix
E: -7.35, S: -0.35

« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2022, 03:18:41 PM »

Why is this rule change needed. Like we can call for a motion to take the bill to a final vote with only 50% support of the senate.




Senators, if they choose can introduce amendment after amendment after amendment, with the sole purpose of delaying and obstructing, and a minority of Senators can overrule to PPT to force votes on those amendments. It’s an unofficial filibuster.
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WD
Western Democrat
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 6,573
Ukraine


Political Matrix
E: -7.35, S: -0.35

« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2022, 03:42:19 PM »

Question: If a motion for a final vote is made before an amendment is proposed after enough time has elapsed for a final vote to be motioned for, can a vote on cloture be opened, assuming that the Senator(s) supporting the amendment oppose a final vote?

Or will all amendments be voted on before a final vote motion is recognized for objection and/or cloture is voted on?

If anyone can answer this question it would be greatly appreciated. The answer to these two questions will inform my stance on the amendment and the proposal as a whole.

I believe that all amendments will and should be voted on before moving to a final vote.
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WD
Western Democrat
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 6,573
Ukraine


Political Matrix
E: -7.35, S: -0.35

« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2022, 03:53:36 AM »

OBD’s amendment is adopted.
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WD
Western Democrat
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 6,573
Ukraine


Political Matrix
E: -7.35, S: -0.35

« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2022, 11:35:27 PM »

The resolution as it currently stands:

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A RESOLUTION
To prevent Senate procedural abuse

Be it resolved by the Senate of the Republic of Atlasia

Quote
Section 1. Title

This resolution may be cited as the Anti-Filibuster Senate Rules Change.

Section 2. Amendment to Senate Rules

Section 3.1 of the Official Senate Procedures and Rules for Operation is hereby amended:

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1.) During the course of debate on legislation, any sitting Senator may offer amendments to the legislation. The President Pro Tempore may remove amendments from consideration that are functionally impractical, frivolous, directly unconstitutional, or lack clear intent regarding the changes to be made. The amendment sponsor shall have 24 hours to object to the decision and may overturn the action with the concurrence of 40% of present and voting Senators. Unless stated otherwise in the amendment, components of the underlying legislation not referenced in an amendment will remain unchanged.

Senators, any thoughts?
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WD
Western Democrat
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 6,573
Ukraine


Political Matrix
E: -7.35, S: -0.35

« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2022, 12:51:50 AM »

Offering another amendment:

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A RESOLUTION
To prevent Senate procedural abuse

Be it resolved by the Senate of the Republic of Atlasia

Quote
Section 1. Title

This resolution may be cited as the Anti-Filibuster Senate Rules Change.

Section 2. Amendment to Senate Rules

Section 3.1 of the Official Senate Procedures and Rules for Operation is hereby amended:

Quote
1.) During the course of debate on legislation, any sitting Senator may offer amendments to the legislation. The President Pro Tempore may remove amendments from consideration that are functionally impractical, frivolous, directly unconstitutional, or lack clear intent regarding the changes to be made. The amendment sponsor shall have 24 hours to object to the decision and may overturn the action with the concurrence of 45%, rounded down, of present and voting Senators. Unless stated otherwise in the amendment, components of the underlying legislation not referenced in an amendment will remain unchanged.
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WD
Western Democrat
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 6,573
Ukraine


Political Matrix
E: -7.35, S: -0.35

« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2022, 12:52:03 AM »

24 hours to object
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WD
Western Democrat
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 6,573
Ukraine


Political Matrix
E: -7.35, S: -0.35

« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2022, 02:36:32 AM »

Objection being raised, a vote is now open on the amendment. Senators, please vote Aye, Nay, or Abstain.

Quote
A RESOLUTION
To prevent Senate procedural abuse

Be it resolved by the Senate of the Republic of Atlasia

Quote
Section 1. Title

This resolution may be cited as the Anti-Filibuster Senate Rules Change.

Section 2. Amendment to Senate Rules

Section 3.1 of the Official Senate Procedures and Rules for Operation is hereby amended:

Quote
1.) During the course of debate on legislation, any sitting Senator may offer amendments to the legislation. The President Pro Tempore may remove amendments from consideration that are functionally impractical, frivolous, directly unconstitutional, or lack clear intent regarding the changes to be made. The amendment sponsor shall have 24 hours to object to the decision and may overturn the action with the concurrence of 45%, rounded down, of present and voting Senators. Unless stated otherwise in the amendment, components of the underlying legislation not referenced in an amendment will remain unchanged.
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WD
Western Democrat
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 6,573
Ukraine


Political Matrix
E: -7.35, S: -0.35

« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2022, 02:37:03 AM »

Aye
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WD
Western Democrat
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 6,573
Ukraine


Political Matrix
E: -7.35, S: -0.35

« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2022, 02:06:17 AM »

Aye ( 8 ): S019, Discolovante, Kuumo, MB, Ishan, Pericles, OBD, Western Democrat

Nay (7): Joseph Cao, North Carolina Yankee, DeadPrez, Muad’dib, West Midlander, Spark, Dabbing Santa

Abstain (1): CentristRepublican

Not voting (2): Tack, Old School Republican

The amendment is adopted, debate resumes.
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WD
Western Democrat
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 6,573
Ukraine


Political Matrix
E: -7.35, S: -0.35

« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2022, 04:55:58 PM »

A vote is now open on the motion to table. Senators, please vote Aye, Nay, or Abstain
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WD
Western Democrat
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 6,573
Ukraine


Political Matrix
E: -7.35, S: -0.35

« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2022, 04:56:37 PM »

Nay
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WD
Western Democrat
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 6,573
Ukraine


Political Matrix
E: -7.35, S: -0.35

« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2022, 05:01:47 AM »

Closing this vote in 24 hours.
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WD
Western Democrat
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 6,573
Ukraine


Political Matrix
E: -7.35, S: -0.35

« Reply #15 on: January 24, 2022, 12:49:51 PM »

On the motion to table:

Aye (7): West Midlander, DeadPrez, Muad’dib, Spark, Dabbing Santa, Joseph Cao, Dabbing Santa

Nay (6): Western Democrat, Kuumo, Ishan, S019, Discolovante, OBD

Abstain (1): MB

Not voting (4): Tack, Pericles, Old School Republican, CentristRepublican


2/3 of all Senators present and voting not being reached, the motion is rejected.
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WD
Western Democrat
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 6,573
Ukraine


Political Matrix
E: -7.35, S: -0.35

« Reply #16 on: January 24, 2022, 12:51:09 PM »
« Edited: January 24, 2022, 01:00:19 PM by Senator WD, PPT »

Motioning for a final vote, 24 hours to object.
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WD
Western Democrat
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 6,573
Ukraine


Political Matrix
E: -7.35, S: -0.35

« Reply #17 on: January 24, 2022, 02:27:23 PM »

Objection being raised, a vote on cloture is open.



Senators, please vote Aye, Nay, or Abstain.
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WD
Western Democrat
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 6,573
Ukraine


Political Matrix
E: -7.35, S: -0.35

« Reply #18 on: January 24, 2022, 02:27:48 PM »

Aye
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WD
Western Democrat
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 6,573
Ukraine


Political Matrix
E: -7.35, S: -0.35

« Reply #19 on: January 27, 2022, 03:35:59 PM »

Aye (7): Western Democrat, S019, MB, Kuumo, Ishan, OBD, Discolovante,

Nay (6): West Midlander, Old School Republican, DeadPrez, Dabbing Santa, Joseph Cao, North Carolina Yankee

Not voting (5): Tack, Pericles, Muad’dib, CentristRepublican, Spark


Cloture is invoked.
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WD
Western Democrat
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 6,573
Ukraine


Political Matrix
E: -7.35, S: -0.35

« Reply #20 on: January 27, 2022, 03:36:33 PM »

A final vote is now open. Senators, please vote Aye, Nay, or Abstain.
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WD
Western Democrat
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 6,573
Ukraine


Political Matrix
E: -7.35, S: -0.35

« Reply #21 on: January 27, 2022, 03:36:52 PM »

Aye
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WD
Western Democrat
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 6,573
Ukraine


Political Matrix
E: -7.35, S: -0.35

« Reply #22 on: January 31, 2022, 02:17:16 AM »

Final vote on the Anti-Filibuster Senate Rules Change:

Aye (4): Western Democrat, Kuumo, Discolovante, S019

Nay (7): West Midlander, DeadPrez, Pericles, MB, Old School Republican, Dabbing Santa, Joseph Cao

Abstain (2): Muad’dib, OBD

Not voting (5): Tack, CentristRepublican, Spark, North Carolina Yankee, Ishan


The resolution is rejected.
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