Kentucky bill would ban physicians from giving medically necessary care to transgender youth

[Antonio the Sixth]

Waiting for the "moderate common sense centrists" on this forum to explain to us how this is totally reasonable and any opposition to this is just wokism gone mad.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Waiting for the "moderate common sense centrists" on this forum to explain to us how this is totally reasonable and any opposition to this is just wokism gone mad.

I think you're being uncharitable here. I said the other day that some have continued to imply, or at least believe, that I personally must be a right-winger or right-leaning, and not actually a centrist. That's not a correct interpretation of my views, and it's not a correct interpretation of other people's views. But I've already condemned this, and I don't like how this has become a culture war issue.

Sorry, you weren't who I was thinking of when I made this post and I didn't mean to single you out. On the other hand, the post right above yours is emblematic of what I was describing almost to the point of parody.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Waiting for the "moderate common sense centrists" on this forum to explain to us how this is totally reasonable and any opposition to this is just wokism gone mad.

Ever consider that some of us have limits? You don't have to be a socialist or a liberal to think Populist Conservatives realizing that they can't just kill trans people directly so they need to ban them from receiving medical care is not morally acceptable.

So I, a Canadian citizen, believe that we should just expand health care to cover most people, so poor/middle class transgenders can get this care anyway just like I could if I was trans and went to Canada (well my family would have to re-apply for provincial health cards but you get the point).

Okay? We've also seen people use exactly this style of argumentation to defend the bill (although admittedly fewer than I would have thought - looks like most of the professional trans panickers are keeping quiet to avoid the bad optics) so if you're not one of them, cool, that means you weren't the target of my post.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Where are THG, OSR, Mr. Reactionary, BigSerg, and all the other Republican hacks of Atlas?

The Democrats and left-leaning independents who say they're  fine with trans people so long as they don't "overstep their bounds" by pushing for electorally unpopular "childhood medical transitions" and "genital bigotry" are also nowhere to be found.

Believing that children shouldn’t be allowed to go through gender reassignment surgery isn’t the same as believing that trans people should be denied healthcare

Not only do you not know anything about trans healthcare, you also don't care. You pretend to care in this thread so you can dunk on conservatives, but the minute that your sensibilities are offended by what trans healthcare actually entails, you're back on the side as conservatives, denying people healthcare. You are not an ally.

I pretty much fully support trans rights for adults (with the exception of stuff like female trans competing in female sports), but I don’t think that anyone below the age of consent should be able to transition. Sorry if I’m not hackish enough for you

You don't know what a transition is. Minors are not given surgeries, and very few minors are given HRT — the lucky ones who do get HRT earlier are people who have been on puberty blockers for a while, and/or are over 16 and have parental consent.  Primarily, trans youth take puberty blockers. Starting this process as a minor, I e., before the completion of puberty, guarantees the most effective, least dysphoric, least expensive transition  possible.

If you support trans adults and you don't support trans youth, you don't actually support trans people; you're not qualifie to wag your finger at conservatives who are at least open about their transphobia when your position is not actually much different where it actually matters. Forcing a minor who knows they want to transition to complete puberty before they can start transitioning is cruel.

I think that 16 would be a reasonable minimum age to start taking any kind of transition medicine, including puberty blockers. If that's supposedly too late then I don't know what to say other than it's ultimately more nature's fault than anyone else's. It's a fact of life that the brain develops along with the rest of the body during puberty, and before that happens we're simply not developed enough to make responsible long-term decisions. I think it's just an issue of whether or not you're willing to rewrite what risks a kid is allowed to accept, and I don't think that's appropriate to do.

It has been explained to you multiple times that puberty blockers are extremely low risk, and the to the anguish and potential suicide risk caused by forcing trans youth to go through the wrong puberty is massive. Why do you continue to die on this hill?

The scaremongering about puberty blockers seems to work the same as scaremongering about vaccines. "But what if it turns out they have some terrible side effects that haven't been found out yet in any of the research done so far???" while ignoring all the very documented side effects of NOT taking them when you need them.

At least most anti-vaxxers don't outright support banning vaccines, though.