Kentucky bill would ban physicians from giving medically necessary care to transgender youth

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One of my best friends is a trans person from Kentucky    and she's already deeply in medical debt

Really hope this bill fails, and doesn't set a precedent nationwide. Red states have been focused on attacking trans rights for years, but this is next level compared to what they were already doing.

Trans rights may just be a philosophical debate topic to many people here, but please know that this affects people's lives and livelihoods, often existentially, and ignoring casual and overt transphobia legitimize legislation like this.

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Where are THG, OSR, Mr. Reactionary, BigSerg, and all the other Republican hacks of Atlas?

The Democrats and left-leaning independents who say they're  fine with trans people so long as they don't "overstep their bounds" by pushing for electorally unpopular "childhood medical transitions" and "genital bigotry" are also nowhere to be found.

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Although I do believe anything can be covered by insurance providers if they wish to, I don't see the reason why a health insurance provided would need to cover something that isn't treating any disorder or illness.

Many of us are incapable of living a normal life without HRT.

Sounds like a disorder/illness

Literally your last post in this thread was saying insurance shouldn't have to cover HRT because it isn't treating a disorder or illness. Now, you say it is a disorder/illness, but only on the way in which you can say so as an insult that way you can still deny trans people healthcare.

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Where are THG, OSR, Mr. Reactionary, BigSerg, and all the other Republican hacks of Atlas?

The Democrats and left-leaning independents who say they're  fine with trans people so long as they don't "overstep their bounds" by pushing for electorally unpopular "childhood medical transitions" and "genital bigotry" are also nowhere to be found.

Believing that children shouldn’t be allowed to go through gender reassignment surgery isn’t the same as believing that trans people should be denied healthcare

Not only do you not know anything about trans healthcare, you also don't care. You pretend to care in this thread so you can dunk on conservatives, but the minute that your sensibilities are offended by what trans healthcare actually entails, you're back on the side as conservatives, denying people healthcare. You are not an ally.

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Where are THG, OSR, Mr. Reactionary, BigSerg, and all the other Republican hacks of Atlas?

The Democrats and left-leaning independents who say they're  fine with trans people so long as they don't "overstep their bounds" by pushing for electorally unpopular "childhood medical transitions" and "genital bigotry" are also nowhere to be found.

Believing that children shouldn’t be allowed to go through gender reassignment surgery isn’t the same as believing that trans people should be denied healthcare

Not only do you not know anything about trans healthcare, you also don't care. You pretend to care in this thread so you can dunk on conservatives, but the minute that your sensibilities are offended by what trans healthcare actually entails, you're back on the side as conservatives, denying people healthcare. You are not an ally.

I pretty much fully support trans rights for adults (with the exception of stuff like female trans competing in female sports), but I don’t think that anyone below the age of consent should be able to transition. Sorry if I’m not hackish enough for you

You don't know what a transition is. Minors are not given surgeries, and very few minors are given HRT — the lucky ones who do get HRT earlier are people who have been on puberty blockers for a while, and/or are over 16 and have parental consent.  Primarily, trans youth take puberty blockers. Starting this process as a minor, I e., before the completion of puberty, guarantees the most effective, least dysphoric, least expensive transition  possible.

If you support trans adults and you don't support trans youth, you don't actually support trans people; you're not qualifie to wag your finger at conservatives who are at least open about their transphobia when your position is not actually much different where it actually matters. Forcing a minor who knows they want to transition to complete puberty before they can start transitioning is cruel.

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HRT/SRS for gender dysphoria is only "medicine" under a radical activist definition.  There is no other body integrity disorder we "treat" by mutilating or chemically altering normal human anatomy.  If gender dysphoria is a disease of the mind, then it should be treated as such.   

Making access to HRT/SRS the end-all, be-all of trans advocacy is a weird erasure of the overwhelming majority of trans people, both today and historically, who never medically transition.  It's also a fundamental betrayal of the supposedly-axiomatic principle that gender be decoupled from sex.  If the two are distinct, then why do we need to change people's sexual anatomy in order to affirm their gender? 

We are quickly barreling towards a future where gender non-conforming young people are told they ought to reject their bodies in order to better live-up to traditional gender stereotypes.  For some kids it is already here.  That's a future that's worse-off for everybody, queer or not. 

Lol @ you talking about what radical activists erasing the majority of trans people. Nobody has said all trans people transition or should transition — but when we talk about how the people that don't transition are valid because gender and sex are different, we're told that we're "erasing science" or whatever. Access to trans healthcare is of particular interest to trans people because that right is under attack, but now the sane people who say distinguishing between gender and sex is anti-science tell us that we're anti-science and also reinforcing gender stereotypes.

The point is, trans people can't win. Trans people can't win because people like you don't want trans people to win. You want trans people's existence to tied to a leash on the terms of cis people, and that leash also doesn't include trans minors, nonbinary people, trans athletes, trans activists, trans public restroom users, or any other type of trans people whose existence you can carve out in order to limit the number of trans people out there. Man up and admit that all you want is to marginalize trans people out of existence instead of pretending you give an aardvark's arse about gender stereotypes; ditto to the liberals hiding behind "I support you, but leave the kids out of it and don't play sports."

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HRT/SRS for gender dysphoria is only "medicine" under a radical activist definition.  There is no other body integrity disorder we "treat" by mutilating or chemically altering normal human anatomy.  If gender dysphoria is a disease of the mind, then it should be treated as such.   

Making access to HRT/SRS the end-all, be-all of trans advocacy is a weird erasure of the overwhelming majority of trans people, both today and historically, who never medically transition.  It's also a fundamental betrayal of the supposedly-axiomatic principle that gender be decoupled from sex.  If the two are distinct, then why do we need to change people's sexual anatomy in order to affirm their gender? 

We are quickly barreling towards a future where gender non-conforming young people are told they ought to reject their bodies in order to better live-up to traditional gender stereotypes.  For some kids it is already here.  That's a future that's worse-off for everybody, queer or not. 

Lol @ you talking about what radical activists erasing the majority of trans people. Nobody has said all trans people transition or should transition — but when we talk about how the people that don't transition are valid because gender and sex are different, we're told that we're "erasing science" or whatever. Access to trans healthcare is of particular interest to trans people because that right is under attack, but now the sane people who say distinguishing between gender and sex is anti-science tell us that we're anti-science and also reinforcing gender stereotypes.

The point is, trans people can't win. Trans people can't win because people like you don't want trans people to win. You want trans people's existence to tied to a leash on the terms of cis people, and that leash also doesn't include trans minors, nonbinary people, trans athletes, trans activists, trans public restroom users, or any other type of trans people whose existence you can carve out in order to limit the number of trans people out there. Man up and admit that all you want is to marginalize trans people out of existence instead of pretending you give an aardvark's arse about gender stereotypes; ditto to the liberals hiding behind "I support you, but leave the kids out of it and don't play sports."

This is a very antiquated and somewhat homophobic thing to say.