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« on: November 05, 2023, 10:00:16 PM »




PVDA-GL but willing to maybe support Volt seems about right?
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« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2023, 06:26:00 PM »

So I have to assume that the cordon sanitaire will have to be broken here, itís either that or a broad anti-PVV government which I expect wouldnít last very long
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« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2023, 12:55:19 AM »

So, what about a sort of grand coalition of GL-PvdA+VVD+NSC+D66? 78 seats...probably wouldn't last long though.
Wouldn't last long and I'd assume PVV would only grow bigger in the next election.
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« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2023, 05:09:31 PM »

If I were the PVDA-GL, I'd shut down any ideas of being in a broad government and instead do some real deep autopsy of what the hell went wrong. Going into government seems like a surefire way to collapse even more for them at this point. The people voted for PVV, and they'll have to deal with that. Now they need to find out *why*.
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« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2023, 05:34:26 PM »

The main reason Iím saying that is because I think any broad anti PVV government would fall apart, and the fallout from such a collapse would likely damage them. Perhaps Iím just a naÔve foreigner looking in but thatís just my impression of what would happen.
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« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2023, 07:34:29 PM »

I'm pretty sure any government with Wilders and Omtzigt will last two years at most anyway so the left should use that time to be the government's toughest critics.
Agreed. This is not a good time to go into government and with these results itís a poisoned chalice for anyone forming government. Best for them to lick their wounds and try and reach out to voters theyíve lost. Maybe focus more on cost of living and the consequences of climate change (especially the former) to try and get back some of their old voters who went PVV this time? Idk, Iím not Dutch so Iím not exactly a campaign strategist there but thatís just my (dumb American) take
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« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2023, 12:21:43 AM »

First poll after election


It seems voters for other right wing parties just want Wilders as PM and don't want all the fuss.

and D66/Volt voters who wanted GL/PVDA to be above PVV coming back home, I'd guess?
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« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2023, 04:54:29 PM »


Definitely seems like right wing consolidation (everyone wants to be behind the winner of course) plus left-liberal voters who wanted to just put GLPVDA over the top are going back to their preferred parties.
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