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« on: January 10, 2022, 08:21:13 AM »
« edited: July 04, 2024, 02:59:59 AM by DavidB. »

EDIT JULY 17, 2023: Description of parties participating in the November 22, 2023 election here and onwards.

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New government, new thread. After the longest formation ever, the Netherlands has a new government consisting of VVD, D66, CDA and ChristenUnie - just like last time. Rutte-IV was sworn in today (without Deputy PM Sigrid Kaag: as Freek said in the previous thread, she tested positive for Covid):



Prime Minister - Mark Rutte (VVD). Set to become the longest serving Prime Minister during his new term. Utterly remarkable how he managed to survive politically after April.
Finance Minister - Sigrid Kaag (D66). Will also be Deputy Prime Minister. Was a senior career diplomat at the UN, Minister for Foreign Trade & Development Cooperation and later Minister of Foreign Affairs in the previous government. Had to resign over the mishandling of the Afghanistan evacuations. Was rumored not to be interested in the Finance Ministry, but Finance Ministers tend to be very popular and this matters in the next election. Kaag will be the Netherlands' first female Finance Minister.
Foreign Affairs Minister - Wopke Hoekstra (CDA). Will also be Deputy Prime Minister. Former McKinsey partner, Senator and Finance Minister. Party leaders serving at Foreign Affairs has been a historically unfortunate combination. But apparently he wanted to do it anyway. Foreign Affairs is a position in which he can come across as "statesmanlike", which matters for the next election.
Minister for Foreign Trade and Development Cooperation - Liesje Schreinemacher (VVD). Member of the European Parliament, former barrister, former political assistant to then Defense minister Jeanine Hennis. Rather young and unexperienced - one of the surprises of the new government.
Minister for Poverty Reduction, Participation, and Pensions - Carola Schouten (ChristenUnie). Will also be Deputy Prime Minister. The former Minister for Agriculture will now be serving at this new government position, which suits the ChristenUnie well and reflects a broader sense in The Hague that more should be done to combat growing poverty and debt problems.
Minister of Justice and Security - Dilan Yeşilgöz-Zegerius (VVD). Former MP and (briefly) Deputy Minister of Climate and Energy. One of the rising stars of the VVD. Daughter of Turkish/Kurdish refugees who were human rights advocates. First minister at this very difficult department without a law degree.
Minister for Legal Protection - Franc Weerwind (D66). Mayor of Almere, former mayor of Velsen. Was the first black mayor of a big city. Will be the second black minister after Abraham George Ellis in 1903 (!). But no legal background.
Minister of Public Health, Welfare and Sports - Prof Dr Ernst Kuipers (D66). Medical expert in the field of gastroenterology. Chairman on the board of the Erasmus Medical Center. Chairman of the National Network Urgent Healthcare - and therefore already known to the public due to his role during the Covid pandemic.
Minister for Long-Term Care and Sports - Conny Helder (VVD). Has been on the board of big healthcare organizations.
Minister of Economic Affairs and Climate - Micky Adriaansens (VVD). Senator and top consultant for TwynstraGudde.
Minister for Climate and Energy - Rob Jetten (D66). Former D66 parliamentary group leader and interim party leader who stepped aside for Kaag to take over. Architect of D66' recent electoral success by shifting the party's focus further to the issue of climate change. Will now be at this new ministry and fight with Adriaansens over the primacy at this "super-ministry". Will also be responsible for building new nuclear power plants, which he used to oppose.
Minister of Education, Culture and Science - Prof Dr Robbert Dijkgraaf (D66). Theoretical physicist and string theorist. Director of the Institute for Advanced Study at Princeton University, U.S. Former president of the Royal Dutch Academy of Science. Will start off with a lot of credit in academia as "one of their own", but education ministers tend to become unpopular with the "grassroots" rather quickly. Dijkgraaf's advantage: a bazooka with 5 billion euros to invest structually. He will also be responsible for re-introducing student grants.
Minister for Primary and Secondary Education - Dennis Wiersma (VVD). Another young VVD rising star. Former MP and now acting Deputy Minister of Social Affairs.
Minister of Defense - Kajsa Ollongren (D66). Former career bureaucrat. No background in Defense whatsoever. Mostly known for a very bad stint as Minister of Interior Affairs where she abolished the referendum and became one of the most unpopular ministers. Another low point of hers was flashing her notes during the formation, leaking sensitive information leading to the big formation stalemate. Her return in the government is somewhat of a surprise.
Minister of Interior Affairs and Kingdom Relations- Hanke Bruins Slot (CDA). Former MP (2010-2019), officer in the armed forces, and hockey player. Becomes minister at a position that has been stripped of almost all its duties over the last years. Biggest question: what will she be doing with her time?
Minister for Public Housing and Urban Planning - Hugo de Jonge (CDA). The former CDA leader and current acting Deputy Prime Minister and Public Health Minister gets another chance in the government, this time at a position that is perhaps less polarizing. Will now be responsible for building 100,000 houses annually. Let's see how he handles this...
Minister of Infrastructure and Water Management - Mark Harbers (VVD). MP and former Deputy Minister of Immigration & Asylum who had to resign in that capacity. Rutte loyalist at a perennial VVD position. Will hopefully sabotage the rollout of the pay-per-use car tax system, but I won't hold my breath.
Minister for Agriculture, Nature and Food Quality - Henk Staghouwer (ChristenUnie). Had never heard of the guy. Is apparently on the Groningen provincial government. Is bound to become really unpopular within the agricultural sector really soon. Frankly don't understand why the ChristenUnie accepted this ministry again.
Minister for Nature and Nitrogens - Christianne van der Wal (VVD). VVD party chairwoman and member of the provincial government in Gelderland. Rutte loyalist. Will be responsible for rolling out the government's nitrogen reduction agenda.
Minister of Social Affairs and Labor Participation - Karien van Gennip (CDA). Former McKinsey consultant, MP and Deputy Minister of Economic Affairs. Afterwards held positions at ING Bank and in the healthcare business.

Half of the 20 ministers are women (interestingly, only the D66 delegation will not be 50% female; of the VVD ministers, 5 out of 8 are women). The team has been thoroughly reshuffled, with very few faces from Rutte-III - but while there are many new faces, most of them are known as long-term party loyalists.

Deputy ministers:
Eric van den Burg (VVD) - Asylum and Migration (at the ministry of Justice and Security)
Alexandra van Huffelen (D66) - Kingdom Relations and Digitalization (at the ministry of Interior Affairs and Kingdom Relations)
Gunay Uslu (D66) - Culture and Media (at the ministry of Education, Culture and Sciences)
Marnix van Rij (CDA) - Taxes (at Finance)
Aukje de Vries (VVD) - Tax Credits and Customs (at Finance)
Christophe van der Maat (VVD) - Defense
Vivianne Heijnen  (CDA) - Infrastructure and Water Management
Hans Vijlbrief (D66) - Mines (at Economic Affairs and Climate)
Maarten van Ooijen (ChristenUnie) - Youth and Prevention (at Public Health)

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« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2022, 12:03:59 PM »

As mentioned in the topic title: the next elections are soon. There will be local elections on March 16 for 333 municipal councils. Amsterdam and Weesp will both vote for the Amsterdam council as Weesp will merge into Amsterdam effective March 24.

There are 11 municipalities that won't participate: 8 councils were already elected in 2020 or 2021, due to municipal mergers. 3 more municipalities will merge into the new Voorne aan Zee municipality end of 2022, elections for that council will be held in November.

There are some Covid related measures in place for the elections. Face masks are mandatory, and there will be an early voting opportunity in a limited number of polling stations on March 14&15. Early voting may become permanent in the future. There is no option anymore to vote by mail.

Regarding participation of national parties, not much will change for the more established parties. There may be some more joint GroenLinks/PvdA lists, while ChristenUnie is going the opposite way, and ditching the SGP in some municipalities. Otherwise, participation is dependent on finding candidates. This has become an issue for national and local parties alike.

The exception to the rule is the SP. It will participate in a significantly lower number of municipalities as in 2018. The party has been in decline for years now. It has always had high demands for candidates and local party branches. The party doesn't shy away from withholding permission to branches to participate in the elections, even when the local party participated in the previous one. Party members are aging, or were purged because of communist sympathies.

Of the newer national parties, PVV intends to participate in 30 municipalities (2018: 30), FvD in 50 (2018 Amsterdam only), PvdD in 30 (2018: 17), DENK in 25-30 (14 in 2018), and 50PLUS probably in a similar number as the 20 in 2018.

Volt will participate in 10 municipalities (no participation in 2018), BIJ1 in 6 (2018 Amsterdam only). JA21 in Amsterdam only, BVNL (the party founded by Wybren van Haga, formerly FvD and VVD) will participate in some municipalities, and GO (formed by ex-FvD senator Henk Otten) in Amsterdam only.
BBB will not participate, but local parties may apply to become an official ally. Currently the number is less than 10, but it will likely increase to about 20.
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« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2022, 12:55:27 PM »

Presumably JA21 aren't running in Rotterdam because they will support Leefbaar? They have shared roots in LPF if I remember correctly.
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« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2022, 03:42:27 PM »

Presumably JA21 aren't running in Rotterdam because they will support Leefbaar? They have shared roots in LPF if I remember correctly.
Indeed, there is a LPF connection. Not really roots though.

Leefbaar Rotterdam was founded in 2001, a few months before LPF, and was led by Pim Fortuyn to a huge success in March 2002, 2 months before his assassination. There have never been formal links between both parties though, only some personal ones. Ronald Sørensen (founder of LR) was an LPF senator 2003-2007, and now supports JA21.
The most important link is JA21 leader Joost Eerdmans. He was the leader of Leefbaar Rotterdam since 2014, and earlier LPF MP between 2002 and 2006.

The only reason that JA21 participates in Amsterdam is co-leader Annabel Nanninga already being a councillor, elected on the FvD list im 2018.

PVV will not participate in Rotterdam either. It tried in 2018, but failed miserably, winning only one seat. Its lone councillor did not make much of an impression the past 4 years. He was completely isolated, and his speeches a collection of insults against his fellow councillors.
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« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2022, 04:23:41 AM »

Was D66 as a whole previously anti-nuclear energy or was this just Jetten's position?
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« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2022, 05:23:10 AM »
« Edited: January 11, 2022, 06:25:14 AM by jeron »

Was D66 as a whole previously anti-nuclear energy or was this just Jetten's position?

What is written above is not entirely correct.
Jetten's position was much more nuanced than just being against nuclear energy, as is D66's position. To claim Jetten will be responsible for 'building two nuclear power plants' is also a stretch. The coalition agreed to take the 'necessary steps to build two nuclear plants', which includes facilitating nuclear initiatives and looking into a financial contribution (subsidy) from the government. Of course everything hinges on the last and there is bound to be discussion over it. That doesn't mean that there won't be nuclear plants but it is a long way still.

Essentially the new policy should come as no surprise. There are two parties in government which want nuclear energy and two which don't take a strong position either way. Of course things would have been different had Groenlinks and PvdA been in government.
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« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2022, 05:27:48 AM »

Was D66 as a whole previously anti-nuclear energy or was this just Jetten's position?
They weren’t officially “opposed” (like GL) but in practice they were (kept pushing against nuclear and kept voting against it), because they argued it would be too expensive. I’ve never been quite sure whether that argument was completely sincere or whether they were actually opposed in principle but didn’t feel like even having that debate - I’m guessing the latter, or at least a bit of both. Jetten’s position was the same as his party’s.

What probably helped in D66 making concessions on this issue is public opinion being quite strongly in favor of nuclear energy and D66 competitors Volt being outspokenly pro-nuclear, which seems to be a popular position especially among younger voters. CU had a similar position to D66 but was probably more easily convinced (I guess because their “it’s too expensive” stance was their actual stance and the new government is spending like crazy anyway).
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« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2022, 06:08:06 AM »
« Edited: January 11, 2022, 06:28:45 AM by jeron »

Was D66 as a whole previously anti-nuclear energy or was this just Jetten's position?
They weren’t officially “opposed” (like GL) but in practice they were (kept pushing against nuclear and kept voting against it), because they argued it would be too expensive. I’ve never been quite sure whether that argument was completely sincere or whether they were actually opposed in principle but didn’t feel like even having that debate - I’m guessing the latter, or at least a bit of both. Jetten’s position was the same as his party’s.

What probably helped in D66 making concessions on this issue is public opinion being quite strongly in favor of nuclear energy and D66 competitors Volt being outspokenly pro-nuclear, which seems to be a popular position especially among younger voters. CU had a similar position to D66 but was probably more easily convinced (I guess because their “it’s too expensive” stance was their actual stance and the new government is spending like crazy anyway).

This is again not correct. GL does clearly oppose nuclear energy as do most of its supporters. D66 wrote that it prefers other kinds of energy and that nuclear energy comes with disadvantages that would have to be taken away (https://d66.nl/kernenergie/) CU essentially takes the same position, but the argument is not money, but nuclear waste. See: https://www.christenunie.nl/standpunt/kerncentrales
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« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2022, 08:22:58 AM »

Yes, that’s exactly what I wrote - that GL is opposed based on principles while D66 was “semi-opposed” due to financial and other reasons. And on the D66 website you link to (“Nuclear energy: not now”) they talk about the costs. So what exactly isn’t correct? Our “disagreement” seems entirely about semantics. Jetten will be responsible for “taking the necessary steps to build two nuclear power plants” instead of “building two power plants”? Yeah, no one thought he’d be building them himself or that this process would be fully finished within one term.
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« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2022, 11:43:26 AM »

Some other news: as expected Jan Paternotte will lead the D66 parliamentary group in parliament. Paternotte has been in parliament since 2017 and was on the Amsterdam city council before (2010-2017). He gained national attention by being the biggest proponent of the introduction of a 2G system, in which events, restaurants, "non-essential stores" and other places would only be accessible to people who are vaccinated or have recovered from Covid-19. It was already clear that Sophie Hermans would lead the VVD parliamentary group and Pieter Heerma the CDA. Gert-Jan Segers (CU) is the only government party leader who remains in parliament - he will lead the CU parliamentary group again.

In Rotterdam, the SP have decided not to run in the local election on March 16, increasing the possibility that Socialists 010 - who were kicked out of the SP for being members of youth organization ROOD and/or some communist subgroups and started their own party - get elected to the local council. Pretty incredible that the SP voluntarily choose not to run in the biggest "working class city" of the country.
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« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2022, 07:40:07 AM »

This evening Health Minister Ernst Kuipers (D66) will have his first Covid press conference, together with PM Rutte (VVD). The expectation is that the lockdown will be slightly eased from tomorrow onwards: gyms and barber shops will reopen, non-essential stores will reopen but making an appointment in advance will be necessary, and amateur sports will be allowed again. No certainty about the cultural sector yet.

Pressure on the government to end the lockdown has been mounting over the last week, with public support for the lockdown waning: the reason for the new total lockdown was scenarios for Omikron in December which clearly ended up way too pessimistic. Shops in several municipalities said they would reopen on Saturday regardless of what happened and multiple municipalities said they would stop enforcing the lockdown - some local governments (and the province of Overijssel) wrote a letter to the national government to urge them to end the lockdown. Shop owners close to the border are particularly angry: they see their customers drive just across the border to shop in Germany or Belgium, where almost everything is open.
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« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2022, 01:38:29 PM »
« Edited: January 14, 2022, 01:43:48 PM by DavidB. »

- Contrary to what was leaked to the media, "non-essential" stores will open again tomorrow without appointments being necessary. They still have to close at 5 PM, in line with the "evening lockdown" regulations that came into force in November before the total lockdown.

- Non-medical contact professions, such as barbers, beauty salons and sex workers, will open again (but have to close at 5 too).

- In-person education will open again. Masks will be mandatory everywhere, including during classes.

- Indoor sports venues (such as gyms) will reopen. A QR code (3G: vaccination, recovery or negative test) will be mandatory again.

- Engaging in indoor trainings for cultural purposes (including music) will be allowed again.

- Restaurants, bars, events, museums, and sports stadiums remain closed. Professional football clubs threaten to open up their stadiums to the public because they lose so much money due to the forced closings. Restaurants and bars will be doing the same tomorrow.

- The mask mandate will be expanded: they now have to be worn at more places - apparently they will be "advised" for outdoor use too in crowded areas - and will from now on have to be medical masks. Doesn't necessarily mean FFP2, but cloth masks will no longer be allowed. [Mask use has already gone down markedly, so good luck with this.]

- Quarantine rules will be eased for those having had a "booster" vaccination or those who recently recovered from Covid.

- The new government will continue to push for 2G. This legislation still has to pass parliament, but debates have been delayed, partly over new considerations regarding the spread of Omikron among the vaccinated and Omikron being less dangerous.

- The government intends to present a long-term plan "to learn to live with the virus" by the end of the month. Some ideas leaked were absolutely monstrous, with summer holidays being much shorter for the coming years, winter holidays being much longer, remote working becoming the standard every winter, and 2G/masks becoming mandatory almost everywhere - essentially perpetuating the "new normal" but without lockdowns. Let's pray it doesn't move in that direction...
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« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2022, 11:12:36 AM »

1Vandaag poll: 62% think the government should have opened up society further. 42% support some restrictions but think the government didn't go far enough in ending the lockdown; 20% want to end all Covid restrictions. 22% think the government's approach is adequate while 12% think the government has gone too far in opening up the country.

47% are worried about Covid, compared to 60% on December 21st and 72% on November 30th. Since the first lockdown, this percentage was only lower in June 2021 (42%) and in September 2021 (41%).

Support for the new rules is as follows:

Engaging in sports outside allowed again (without supporters) - 88%
Contact professions (barbers etc.) opening again - 87%
Higher education opening again - 87%
Non-essential stores opening again until 5PM - 81%
Engaging in sports inside allowed again (with 3G QR code) - 77%
Hosting a maximum of 4 visitors per day inside in your home (up from 2) - 60%
Maximum group size of 4 people outside (up from 2) - 50%
Non-essential venues (such as theme parks, football stadiums etc.) remain closed - 32%
Restaurants and bars remain closed - 20%
Cultural sector remains closed - 17%
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« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2022, 06:02:01 PM »

Peil poll Jan 23 (seats compared to GE21):

VVD 23 (-11)
D66 18 (-6)
PVV 17 (nc)
JA21 11 (+8)
Volt 10 (+7)
PvdA 9 (nc)
GroenLinks 9 (+1)
PvdD 9 (+3)
SP 8 (-1)
FVD 7 (-1)
BBB 7 (+6)
CDA 6 (-9)
ChristenUnie 6 (+1)
SGP 4 (+1)
DENK 3 (nc)
BIJ1 1 (nc)
BVNL 1 (+1)
50Plus 1 (nc)

Coalition at only 53 seats and -25. VVD are probably mostly bleeding votes to JA21 (the type of people that voted FVD in 2019, came home for the VVD in GE21 because they think Rutte is a safe pair of hands but now think the coalition agreement is too left-wing), CDA to BBB (voters who are angry the CDA essentially kicked out people like Omtzigt and Keijzer), and D66 to Volt (younger voters).
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« Reply #14 on: January 25, 2022, 03:59:06 PM »

From tomorrow onward lockdown will end; restaurants, gyms, cultural venues, sports stadiums etc. etc. will get to open their doors again. Until 10 PM, that is, and with 3G policy, and big events (>1250 people) can only take place outside and at 1/3 of maximum capacity, with 1.5 meters distance.

With these changes, the government is moving further towards public opinion as a whole. According to an 1Vandaag poll, 42% now think the government's decisions are appropriate, while 40% think society should have been opened up even further. 13% think the government is too quick in opening up society. The cultural sector and professional football clubs have already complained, arguing that organizing shows at less than full capacity and only until 10 isn't viable (culture) and that football games at 1/3 capacity will add to clubs' financial misery.

Meanwhile, the VVD is in hot water over having Soumaya Sahla, who was convicted and jailed for preparing a terror attack and "repented" afterwards, as a national security advisor. The VVD had attacked Wilders for tweeting "A VVD member with a Turkish background at [the Ministry of] Justice. Now I have to hope she will not cancel my security because of course they would like me to disappear six feet under" about VVD Justice Minister Dilan Yesilgöz, a rather bizarre tweet considering Yesilgöz is about the most liberal person you can think of: a completely assimilated non-Muslim married to a Jewish man. But Wilders struck back by attacking the VVD for working with Sahla, who has been close to former VVD leader Frits Bolkestein (known as tough on immigration and law and order) for years. This had long been known to those following politics closely, but not to the bigger public. The PR mistake the VVD made here was very simple: Sahla should have given a big interview in VVD newspaper De Telegraaf earlier on, explaining to the world what she had learned in prison, how she deradicalized, and how she aims to use her experience to make the Netherlands more resilient. There would have been a general amount of understanding that isn't there now that Wilders got to dictate the terms on which she became known to the public. In any case, Wilders got the attention he needs now that he has to compete for it with FVD (who have issue ownership over opposing Covid restrictions, an increasingly popular position) and JA21 (who are seen as the "reasonable voice" to the right of the VVD). Meanwhile, parliamentary debates are derailing more and more often, and ministers receive a lot of death threats - last week two people were convicted to jail time for standing in Finance Minister Sigrid Kaag's front yard with a torch. Scary stuff and it all fits within the pattern of Dutch democracy turning into a pressure cooker, where ordinary people think parliament is crazy and the government is corrupt. Not good.

Wilders' tweet:

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« Reply #15 on: January 25, 2022, 05:50:56 PM »

What is PVdB’s stance on the lockdowns?
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« Reply #16 on: January 25, 2022, 05:59:10 PM »

What is PVdB’s stance on the lockdowns?
PvdD or PvdA?

PvdD support some restrictions that pertain to everyone, but are very critical of - and do not support - measures such as 3G and 2G, because they see no merit in it. They prefer focusing on the (presumed) zoonotic origin of the virus (which would illustrate the need of a very different approach toward animals in our society, not anymore as a "product"), on its global transmission through people flying (which they think should be restricted), on prevention, and on increasing the capacity of the healthcare system.

PvdA are a party for the olds and have been one of the most reliable supporters of the government's policies, including 3G and the lockdowns. At times they have even been advocating for more restrictive measures than the government, such as when the government finally ended the winter lockdown (including evening curfew) in April 2021 but the PvdA opposed lifting these restrictions.
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« Reply #17 on: January 25, 2022, 06:26:49 PM »

What is PVdB’s stance on the lockdowns?
PvdD or PvdA?

PvdD support some restrictions that pertain to everyone, but are very critical of - and do not support - measures such as 3G and 2G, because they see no merit in it. They prefer focusing on the (presumed) zoonotic origin of the virus (which would illustrate the need of a very different approach toward animals in our society, not anymore as a "product"), on its global transmission through people flying (which they think should be restricted), on prevention, and on increasing the capacity of the healthcare system.

Can this opposition to the harsh lockdowns be the primary reason they are rising in the polls?
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« Reply #18 on: January 25, 2022, 06:33:25 PM »

Can this opposition to the harsh lockdowns be the primary reason they are rising in the polls?
Difficult to say because there's not been any polling on this, but yes, they are - together with the SP, but they're currently a mess, and they're less critical than PvdD - the only left-wing party relatively critical of the lockdowns, and there are left-wingers who are critical of the restrictions, and this could be one of the reasons why they are gaining in the polls.
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« Reply #20 on: January 31, 2022, 07:40:19 PM »

^ This is one of the reasons why most parties agreed that it was necessary to reintroduce the Ministry for Urban Planning this time around. Indeed staggering.

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1,5 month until local elections. Here's an I&O poll for Amsterdam. That CDA figure... lol.

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« Reply #21 on: February 01, 2022, 09:10:01 AM »

Netherlands is headed towards a binomial system fought between right wing (BBB) and left wing (PvdD) pig fyckers. It's inevitable
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« Reply #22 on: February 01, 2022, 09:31:47 AM »

If you had to describe Volt's political position, how would you describe it aside from being pro-european federalism?
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« Reply #23 on: February 01, 2022, 10:05:56 AM »

If you had to describe Volt's political position, how would you describe it aside from being pro-european federalism?
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« Reply #24 on: February 01, 2022, 02:54:14 PM »

Less cucked though.
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