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« on: December 28, 2021, 02:53:44 AM »

There's NEVER a COVID pandemic. What changes, in US and world?
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« Reply #1 on: January 01, 2022, 02:29:06 PM »

Never EVER?

Broken record here, but the likelihood for war with Iran increases.
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« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2022, 12:13:07 PM »

There wouldn't have been a recession in 2020, meaning that we'd likely be experiencing a record 12 years of straight growth after the GFC.

George Floyd is maybe never murdered, and if he is it captures way less attention and doesn't spark as many riots/protests as IRL.

2020 election turnout is still historically high, although lower than observed IRL because of less mail-in voting.

Obviously there are thousands upon thousands of other differences between ours and a pandemic-free world, but that's what jumps out at me immediately.

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« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2022, 07:40:11 AM »

There wouldn't have been a recession in 2020, meaning that we'd likely be experiencing a record 12 years of straight growth after the GFC.

George Floyd is maybe never murdered, and if he is it captures way less attention and doesn't spark as many riots/protests as IRL.

2020 election turnout is still historically high, although lower than observed IRL because of less mail-in voting.

Obviously there are thousands upon thousands of other differences between ours and a pandemic-free world, but that's what jumps out at me immediately.


Is Trump still President?
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« Reply #4 on: May 21, 2022, 12:14:00 PM »

There wouldn't have been a recession in 2020, meaning that we'd likely be experiencing a record 12 years of straight growth after the GFC.

George Floyd is maybe never murdered, and if he is it captures way less attention and doesn't spark as many riots/protests as IRL.

2020 election turnout is still historically high, although lower than observed IRL because of less mail-in voting.

Obviously there are thousands upon thousands of other differences between ours and a pandemic-free world, but that's what jumps out at me immediately.


Is Trump still President?

Almost surely.  Given recent polling error, he was headed for a narrow PV win before COVID.
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« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2022, 08:57:42 PM »

Trump is probably still President of the United States.
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« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2022, 06:49:08 PM »

Agree with those who say Trump may still be in the White House. A lot of major differences if this happened, of course.
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« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2022, 12:48:12 AM »

Biden probably isn't the Democratic nominee.

I actually think COVID helped Trump just as much as it hurt him, quite frankly. He was hurt by being completely incompetent, but being an incumbent probably netted him votes he wouldn't have otherwise won.

My guess is one of Klobuchar/Warren/Buttigeig/Sanders wins the nomination and narrowly defeats Trump, however Republicans flip the House and hold the Senate, and in fact gain a seat or two.
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« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2022, 05:53:41 AM »

Trump is probably still President of the United States.
How would the polls look for 2022?
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« Reply #9 on: July 30, 2022, 05:28:45 PM »

Trump is probably still President of the United States.
How would the polls look for 2022?

The Democrats would likely be heading toward a blue wave win across the board which ends up being their biggest since 1974.
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« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2022, 09:53:23 PM »

It would be interesting if COVID and Monkeypox were switched, with Monkeypox occurring in early 2020 and COVID being delayed until May of 2022.
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« Reply #11 on: August 06, 2022, 03:39:58 AM »

Biden probably isn't the Democratic nominee.

I actually think COVID helped Trump just as much as it hurt him, quite frankly. He was hurt by being completely incompetent, but being an incumbent probably netted him votes he wouldn't have otherwise won.

My guess is one of Klobuchar/Warren/Buttigeig/Sanders wins the nomination and narrowly defeats Trump, however Republicans flip the House and hold the Senate, and in fact gain a seat or two.

Most people vote based on the economy. Although Trump was pushing bad economics through his high tariffs and large budget deficits, we got a good look with Covid at just how much the deficit could increase before it started to become inflationary.

The United States was beginning to benefit at all levels of the good economic times prior to Covid, as even the people in the lowest quintile were getting jobs and wage increases. The last time that happened was in the mid/late 1990s and Clinton was reelected in a semi landslide. 

Trump would have campaigned on 'whatever you think of my behavior, I've brought peace and prosperity' and likely would have been comfortably reelected.
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« Reply #12 on: August 17, 2022, 05:44:58 AM »

It would be interesting if COVID and Monkeypox were switched, with Monkeypox occurring in early 2020 and COVID being delayed until May of 2022.
The Dems win big on that 2022.
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« Reply #13 on: September 02, 2022, 11:44:43 PM »

It would be interesting if COVID and Monkeypox were switched, with Monkeypox occurring in early 2020 and COVID being delayed until May of 2022.
The Dems win big on that 2022.

On the other hand, monkeypox being its own independent story and not overshadowed by years of COVID almost surely would have played in favor of social conservatives in 2020.
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« Reply #14 on: September 03, 2022, 08:40:55 AM »

It would be interesting if COVID and Monkeypox were switched, with Monkeypox occurring in early 2020 and COVID being delayed until May of 2022.
The Dems win big on that 2022.

On the other hand, monkeypox being its own independent story and not overshadowed by years of COVID almost surely would have played in favor of social conservatives in 2020.
Probably right. I am thinking that some cities and states still might have done lockdowns and things like mask and glove mandates in 2020 due to Monkeypox, although they might have only lasted a few months at the most.
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« Reply #15 on: September 03, 2022, 02:42:52 PM »

If Covid doesn't happen, Monkeypox is probably barely a story. Just a weird disease that freaks people out briefly because of the headlines, then doesn't spread enough to really create a panic and fades.
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« Reply #16 on: September 03, 2022, 03:22:23 PM »
« Edited: September 03, 2022, 03:53:59 PM by Skill and Chance »

It would be interesting if COVID and Monkeypox were switched, with Monkeypox occurring in early 2020 and COVID being delayed until May of 2022.
The Dems win big on that 2022.

On the other hand, monkeypox being its own independent story and not overshadowed by years of COVID almost surely would have played in favor of social conservatives in 2020.
Probably right. I am thinking that some cities and states still might have done lockdowns and things like mask and glove mandates in 2020 due to Monkeypox, although they might have only lasted a few months at the most.

I think it would be more like rural state governors testing everyone who comes off a flight from NYC or San Francisco for a few months, and the the left/right polarization on whether that was appropriate would be reversed.
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« Reply #17 on: September 03, 2022, 07:26:37 PM »

It would be interesting if COVID and Monkeypox were switched, with Monkeypox occurring in early 2020 and COVID being delayed until May of 2022.
The Dems win big on that 2022.

On the other hand, monkeypox being its own independent story and not overshadowed by years of COVID almost surely would have played in favor of social conservatives in 2020.
Probably right. I am thinking that some cities and states still might have done lockdowns and things like mask and glove mandates in 2020 due to Monkeypox, although they might have only lasted a few months at the most.

I think it would be more like rural state governors testing everyone who comes off a flight from NYC or San Francisco for a few months, and the the left/right polarization on whether that was appropriate would be reversed.

There's no real reason to think this. Liberals being hypocritical doesn't mean conservatives are. It's forgotten now, but right-wing skepticism of COVID restrictions didn't rise because Trump was against them: conservative skepticism rose even when Trump was supporting restrictions. Conservatives would oppose mandatory Monkeypox testing. Left-wingers are only pretending otherwise because they're trying to avoid responsibility for their own pandemic hysteria.
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« Reply #18 on: September 03, 2022, 10:10:50 PM »
« Edited: September 03, 2022, 10:34:16 PM by Skill and Chance »

It would be interesting if COVID and Monkeypox were switched, with Monkeypox occurring in early 2020 and COVID being delayed until May of 2022.
The Dems win big on that 2022.

On the other hand, monkeypox being its own independent story and not overshadowed by years of COVID almost surely would have played in favor of social conservatives in 2020.
Probably right. I am thinking that some cities and states still might have done lockdowns and things like mask and glove mandates in 2020 due to Monkeypox, although they might have only lasted a few months at the most.

I think it would be more like rural state governors testing everyone who comes off a flight from NYC or San Francisco for a few months, and the the left/right polarization on whether that was appropriate would be reversed.

There's no real reason to think this. Liberals being hypocritical doesn't mean conservatives are. It's forgotten now, but right-wing skepticism of COVID restrictions didn't rise because Trump was against them: conservative skepticism rose even when Trump was supporting restrictions. Conservatives would oppose mandatory Monkeypox testing. Left-wingers are only pretending otherwise because they're trying to avoid responsibility for their own pandemic hysteria.

 In 2014, it was the conservative base demanding stricter ebola quarantine measures while the Obama administration took a very hands off approach.  At the beginning of 2020, when the COVID debate was solely over whether to limit international travel, conservatives supported the travel restrictions and liberals generally opposed them.
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« Reply #19 on: September 04, 2022, 11:54:54 AM »

It would be interesting if COVID and Monkeypox were switched, with Monkeypox occurring in early 2020 and COVID being delayed until May of 2022.
The Dems win big on that 2022.

On the other hand, monkeypox being its own independent story and not overshadowed by years of COVID almost surely would have played in favor of social conservatives in 2020.
Probably right. I am thinking that some cities and states still might have done lockdowns and things like mask and glove mandates in 2020 due to Monkeypox, although they might have only lasted a few months at the most.

I think it would be more like rural state governors testing everyone who comes off a flight from NYC or San Francisco for a few months, and the the left/right polarization on whether that was appropriate would be reversed.

There's no real reason to think this. Liberals being hypocritical doesn't mean conservatives are. It's forgotten now, but right-wing skepticism of COVID restrictions didn't rise because Trump was against them: conservative skepticism rose even when Trump was supporting restrictions. Conservatives would oppose mandatory Monkeypox testing. Left-wingers are only pretending otherwise because they're trying to avoid responsibility for their own pandemic hysteria.

 In 2014, it was the conservative base demanding stricter ebola quarantine measures while the Obama administration took a very hands off approach.  At the beginning of 2020, when the COVID debate was solely over whether to limit international travel, conservatives supported the travel restrictions and liberals generally opposed them.

Sure. Conservatives believe in using national borders to keep out diseases to the maximum extent possible. But we don't support violations of citizens rights, like mandatory testing for internal travel or lockdowns.

What about (temporary) state border closures?  That seems like a gray area?
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« Reply #20 on: September 05, 2022, 06:22:36 AM »

It would be interesting if COVID and Monkeypox were switched, with Monkeypox occurring in early 2020 and COVID being delayed until May of 2022.
The Dems win big on that 2022.

On the other hand, monkeypox being its own independent story and not overshadowed by years of COVID almost surely would have played in favor of social conservatives in 2020.
Probably right. I am thinking that some cities and states still might have done lockdowns and things like mask and glove mandates in 2020 due to Monkeypox, although they might have only lasted a few months at the most.

I think it would be more like rural state governors testing everyone who comes off a flight from NYC or San Francisco for a few months, and the the left/right polarization on whether that was appropriate would be reversed.

There's no real reason to think this. Liberals being hypocritical doesn't mean conservatives are. It's forgotten now, but right-wing skepticism of COVID restrictions didn't rise because Trump was against them: conservative skepticism rose even when Trump was supporting restrictions. Conservatives would oppose mandatory Monkeypox testing. Left-wingers are only pretending otherwise because they're trying to avoid responsibility for their own pandemic hysteria.

 In 2014, it was the conservative base demanding stricter ebola quarantine measures while the Obama administration took a very hands off approach.  At the beginning of 2020, when the COVID debate was solely over whether to limit international travel, conservatives supported the travel restrictions and liberals generally opposed them.
They just blamed poor Africans.
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« Reply #21 on: September 05, 2022, 09:14:27 AM »

Millions of family, friends, and neighbors would be still living today.  RIP to all of them.

This COVID is from the pit of hell.
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