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Question: The best spokesperson for secularism?
#1
George Carlin
 
#2
Christopher Hitchens
 
#3
Richard Dawkins
 
#4
Sam Harris
 
#5
Bill Maher
 
#6
Lawerence Krauss
 
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James Monroe
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« on: December 21, 2021, 12:18:31 PM »

Of the people listed above, including two notable individuals who are no longer with us, who do you think has defended the best case for atheism and rationality to the general public? Curious to know as some of these figures have been criticized on this board but have been championed by many as the turning point to secularism.


For me nobody does it quite like Hitchens. Just a witty man and incredible intellectual that has been missed since he left us in 2011.  Carlin did the best in getting the viewpoint across to the general layperson and his language barrier is testament to his popularity long after his death. Carlin is very likely the most influential atheist of the modern world.
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James Monroe
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« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2021, 12:25:33 PM »

The one who turned all the followers of those folks alt-right, of course.

All of the listed individuals go against the alt-right notion of preserving superstition.
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James Monroe
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« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2021, 12:40:27 PM »

How about relatively normal people such as Carl Sagan?

Thought about including Sagan, though I could include many pop science individuals if I wanted to.
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James Monroe
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« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2021, 01:51:46 PM »

What is this? This is the sort of list some edgy Christian would put together. I partly take that back; this list is very Atlas Forum Cheesy

In the modern era you could say Jonas Salk for his medical contributions and or Gloria Steinem for her views on feminism and early advocacy of a lot of current mainstream issues. James Randi was the most effective of the 'skeptics.'

I agree with the inclusion of Carl Sagan.

If your list is primarily Brits making a quick buck fifteen years ago to argue on Christian college campuses that's quite sheltered.

Edgy Christians? I mean, those "types" would be offended by all of the above anyways, which makes them the antitheses of these ideologies. Now that you mention him, James Randi did a great job of skewing the fantastical crowd. Sad to learn of his passing last year, hopefully new generations of skeptics will continue his legacy of showing the truthful nature of science to the world. Gloria Steinem does not cross my mind for inclusion because I think of her more primarily as a social reformer who was secular than an outspoken secular figure, though she did win the AHA Humanist Award. For a wonderful humanist in charge we should thank Dr. Anthony Fauci who has protected America against this time of crisis, who lead the charge against anti-intellectualism that is prolonging the pandemic in America. Still, he's a man of science than a philosopher on the illogical nature of religion.

Say what you will about the New Atheists, they were brave individuals who spoke out against religion when it was more fashionable. Nowadays I think you can go around to people and say you're a nonbeliever because of these men great task in challenging the superstitious status quo that had a hand in help from the U.S government during the Bush era.
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James Monroe
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« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2021, 11:16:39 PM »

Voltaire or Huxley.

IDK about the late 20th/21st century because secularism is already hegemonic. It's probably someone in the Arab world.

What do you think of Ayaan Hersi Ali?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayaan_Hirsi_Ali
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