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« Reply #25 on: December 07, 2021, 05:46:29 PM »

If Republicans could get away with it, they would allow huge bon-fires in front of schools and encourage children and their entire communities, to just throw all books into the fiery pit.
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« Reply #26 on: December 07, 2021, 06:29:59 PM »

If Republicans could get away with it, they would allow huge bon-fires in front of schools and encourage children and their entire communities, to just throw all books into the fiery pit.

Pretty sure it wasn't conservatives burning Harry Potter over the last year. 20 years ago it was. Book burning is becoming a bipartisan affair. At least the Pubs aren't the ones banning Dr Seuss on ebay for "promoting violence" or getting scholastic to pull ook and glug learning karate because muh cultural appropriation.
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« Reply #27 on: December 07, 2021, 06:33:22 PM »

If you weren't already fully aware that the GOP's endgame with all of the critical race theory fearmongering was to completely whitewash American history, that's on you.
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« Reply #28 on: December 07, 2021, 11:55:44 PM »


https://www.ncleg.gov/Sessions/2021/Bills/House/PDF/H324v4.pdf

Surprisingly the NC GOP probably came out with the best one that seems to be reasonably well worded without being overly restrictive and making sure that it is stated that it more refers to the concepts being promoted rather than taught.

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Public school units shall not promote the following concepts:
28 (1) One race or sex is inherently superior to another race or sex.
29 (2) An individual, solely by virtue of his or her race or sex, is inherently racist,
30 sexist, or oppressive, whether consciously or unconsciously.
31 (3) An individual should be discriminated against or receive adverse treatment
32 solely or partly because of his or her race or sex.
33 (4) An individual's moral character is necessarily determined by his or her race or
34 sex.
General Assembly Of North Carolina Session 2021
Page 2 House Bill 324-Fourth Edition
1 (5) An individual, solely by virtue of his or her race or sex, bears responsibility
2 for actions committed in the past by other members of the same race or sex.
3 (6) Any individual, solely by virtue of his or her race or sex, should feel
4 discomfort, guilt, anguish, or any other form of psychological distress.
5 (7) That the belief that the United States is a meritocracy is an inherently racist or
6 sexist belief, or that the United States was created by members of a particular
7 race or sex for the purpose of oppressing members of another race or sex.
8 (d) Nothing in this section shall be construed as prohibiting the following:
9 (1) Speech protected by the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.
10 (2) Accessing materials on an individual basis that advocate concepts described
11 in subsection (c) of this section for the purpose of research or independent
12 study.
13 (3) Stating concepts described in subsection (c) of this section or assigning
14 materials that incorporate such concepts for educational purposes in contexts
15 that make clear the public school unit does not sponsor, approve, or endorse
16 such concepts or works."
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« Reply #29 on: December 07, 2021, 11:59:05 PM »

Anyone who has ever said the phrase "de-centering whiteness" cannot be trusted around children.

The word "whiteness" itself is one I'd be happy if I never had to hear again.
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« Reply #30 on: December 08, 2021, 12:00:59 AM »

If Republicans could get away with it, they would allow huge bon-fires in front of schools and encourage children and their entire communities, to just throw all books into the fiery pit.

Pretty sure it wasn't conservatives burning Harry Potter over the last year. 20 years ago it was. Book burning is becoming a bipartisan affair. At least the Pubs aren't the ones banning Dr Seuss on ebay for "promoting violence" or getting scholastic to pull ook and glug learning karate because muh cultural appropriation.
Life's really fun when you can just make stuff up isn't it
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« Reply #31 on: December 08, 2021, 12:22:46 AM »

If Republicans could get away with it, they would allow huge bon-fires in front of schools and encourage children and their entire communities, to just throw all books into the fiery pit.

Pretty sure it wasn't conservatives burning Harry Potter over the last year. 20 years ago it was. Book burning is becoming a bipartisan affair. At least the Pubs aren't the ones banning Dr Seuss on ebay for "promoting violence" or getting scholastic to pull ook and glug learning karate because muh cultural appropriation.
Life's really fun when you can just make stuff up isn't it

https://www.newsweek.com/jk-rowling-books-burned-tiktok-transgender-issues-1532330
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« Reply #32 on: December 08, 2021, 12:34:59 AM »

Good. CRT is poisonous and we won't get it out of the education system by unilaterally disarming. These buzzwords didn't show up in my high school history classes in the early/mid 2010s, and I certainly wasn't learning "whitewashed" anything.

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Surprisingly the NC GOP probably came out with the best one that seems to be reasonably well worded without being overly restrictive and making sure that it is stated that it more refers to the concepts being promoted rather than taught.

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Public school units shall not promote the following concepts:
28 (1) One race or sex is inherently superior to another race or sex.
29 (2) An individual, solely by virtue of his or her race or sex, is inherently racist,
30 sexist, or oppressive, whether consciously or unconsciously.
31 (3) An individual should be discriminated against or receive adverse treatment
32 solely or partly because of his or her race or sex.
33 (4) An individual's moral character is necessarily determined by his or her race or
34 sex.
General Assembly Of North Carolina Session 2021
Page 2 House Bill 324-Fourth Edition
1 (5) An individual, solely by virtue of his or her race or sex, bears responsibility
2 for actions committed in the past by other members of the same race or sex.
3 (6) Any individual, solely by virtue of his or her race or sex, should feel
4 discomfort, guilt, anguish, or any other form of psychological distress.
5 (7) That the belief that the United States is a meritocracy is an inherently racist or
6 sexist belief, or that the United States was created by members of a particular
7 race or sex for the purpose of oppressing members of another race or sex.
8 (d) Nothing in this section shall be construed as prohibiting the following:
9 (1) Speech protected by the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.
10 (2) Accessing materials on an individual basis that advocate concepts described
11 in subsection (c) of this section for the purpose of research or independent
12 study.
13 (3) Stating concepts described in subsection (c) of this section or assigning
14 materials that incorporate such concepts for educational purposes in contexts
15 that make clear the public school unit does not sponsor, approve, or endorse
16 such concepts or works."

I like this a lot too. Much better than the WI approach in fact.
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« Reply #33 on: December 08, 2021, 12:38:28 AM »

My god it must be the first time the NC GOP hasn't bungled something since 2013.
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« Reply #34 on: December 08, 2021, 12:44:13 AM »

This is literally evil. These legislators clearly don’t even know what these terms mean. Social-emotional learning is teaching kids how to calm down and solve conflicts peacefully so they don’t punch somebody. It’s some of the most important learning that goes on in the early years of school.

Actually, I guess I can see why Republicans wouldn’t like that.
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« Reply #35 on: December 08, 2021, 12:50:37 AM »

This is literally evil. These legislators clearly don’t even know what these terms mean. Social-emotional learning is teaching kids how to calm down and solve conflicts peacefully so they don’t punch somebody. It’s some of the most important learning that goes on in the early years of school.

Actually, I guess I can see why Republicans wouldn’t like that.

This is what SEL looks like in practice. This has no place in schools and these Wisconsin Republicans are right to push back against it.

http s:// twit ter .co m /Dr KarlynB/status/1465484506958286849

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« Reply #36 on: December 08, 2021, 01:10:04 AM »

Pretty sure it wasn't conservatives burning Harry Potter over the last year.

Pretty ironic example given the history of Harry Potter controversies, isn't it?
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« Reply #37 on: December 08, 2021, 01:54:17 AM »

You can't do basic civil rights history without some of these words.

 And that's precisely the point Behind this measure.

 Conservatives like these would never admit it, least of all to themselves, but they'd be perfectly happy with a civil rights history "curriculum" that boiled down to simply" slavery was bad, Jim Crow was bad, then Martin Luther king came along and convinced white people to change, and things have been more or less OK since the mid sixties."
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« Reply #38 on: December 08, 2021, 02:03:31 AM »

This is literally evil. These legislators clearly don’t even know what these terms mean. Social-emotional learning is teaching kids how to calm down and solve conflicts peacefully so they don’t punch somebody. It’s some of the most important learning that goes on in the early years of school.

Actually, I guess I can see why Republicans wouldn’t like that.

This is what SEL looks like in practice. This has no place in schools and these Wisconsin Republicans are right to push back against it.

http s:// twit ter .co m /Dr KarlynB/status/1465484506958286849

(remove the spaces, I don't have enough posts to include links)

I am acutely familiar with what SEL looks like in practice without checking out one imbeciles’s conspiracy theory on Twitter, particularly when the imbecile is someone who has argued that Jews wanted to die in the Holocaust. SEL is a good thing, and so are the tenets of it linked to in that post. So let’s f-ck right off with this racist sh-t.

Because let’s be very clear about what is going on here with Republicans: Everything about this list of banned terms is connected to shutting down real talk on racism and shielding white people from needing to think critically about their place in the inequities that colour our society. Period. And I’m not here for it. Sometimes there’s right and wrong, and it’s on these issues where I’m not going to pretend to have even a stitch of respect for the people who are off side. It’s cowardly to banish critical race theory. It’s selfish. It’s prideful. It’s boastful. It’s shameful.

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« Reply #39 on: December 08, 2021, 02:38:44 AM »

This is stupid and solves a problem that doesn't exist; on brand for the WI GOP i guess
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« Reply #40 on: December 08, 2021, 02:50:24 AM »

I lost brain cells reading this thread
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« Reply #41 on: December 08, 2021, 03:37:40 AM »

I lost brain cells reading this thread

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« Reply #42 on: December 08, 2021, 04:01:19 AM »

You can't do basic civil rights history without some of these words.

 And that's precisely the point Behind this measure.

 Conservatives like these would never admit it, least of all to themselves, but they'd be perfectly happy with a civil rights history "curriculum" that boiled down to simply" slavery was bad, Jim Crow was bad, then Martin Luther king came along and convinced white people to change, and things have been more or less OK since the mid sixties."


History education was fine the way it was taught in 2011 .
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« Reply #43 on: December 08, 2021, 04:10:52 AM »



Ok then should biology teachers be able to teach that creationism is real. There is a difference between being unable to post something on social media vs not being able to teach something to students as facts.

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« Reply #44 on: December 08, 2021, 05:26:57 AM »

CRT is a threat to this country.

The very notion of it has apparently turned every republicans brain to goo at its first mention

I’m literally so tired of watching people go smooth brain over this. None of them understands how studying history works
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« Reply #45 on: December 08, 2021, 07:07:57 AM »

Now everyone can be “woke” and cancel culture is all-inclusive.
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« Reply #46 on: December 08, 2021, 07:23:19 AM »



Ok then should biology teachers be able to teach that creationism is real. There is a difference between being unable to post something on social media vs not being able to teach something to students as facts.



1) Sociology is not science.
2) There’s a time and place for creationism to be taught. Writing/Grammar class or Social Studies class.
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« Reply #47 on: December 08, 2021, 07:57:37 AM »

You can't do basic civil rights history without some of these words.

 And that's precisely the point Behind this measure.

 Conservatives like these would never admit it, least of all to themselves, but they'd be perfectly happy with a civil rights history "curriculum" that boiled down to simply" slavery was bad, Jim Crow was bad, then Martin Luther king came along and convinced white people to change, and things have been more or less OK since the mid sixties."


History education was fine the way it was taught in 2011 .

Was it though?
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« Reply #48 on: December 08, 2021, 10:34:41 AM »

I really like the NC GOP approach.

Maybe other Republicans should make it part of their platform.
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« Reply #49 on: December 08, 2021, 10:42:37 AM »

I am a younger person compared to many here, and just recently graduated college.

I have never heard any of these words in my elementary, middle school, and high school life.

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