Would Biden have conceded in November with 269-269 tie?
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Sir Mohamed
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« on: November 28, 2021, 12:12:26 PM »

Would Biden have conceded the election in November with a 269-269 tie? Say WI, AZ and GA went for Trump, and the House would have been required to elect the prez in January 2021 by state delegations? I mean it would already have been clear the GOP controls a majority of state delegations and Trump get reelected. Or would Biden and Dems have insisted he won the NPV by 7 million and therefore was chosen as POTUS by the majority of the electorate? Or would there have been enormous pressure on electors to defect and vote for Biden/Harris? Imagine how Trump and his enablers have reacted to an elector defecting and giving Biden the presidency.

For sure we can be happy this scenario didn't happen. I think everything would have been thrown in complete disarray with an EC tie.
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« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2021, 12:57:02 PM »

This would have been the spiciest end to 2020 for sure, but I don't see either side conceding until after the EC vote or the House contingent election while there is still politicking to be done. Perhaps the fly in the ointment would be a faithless elector providing a third option to the house.
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« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2021, 01:01:23 PM »

This would have been the spiciest end to 2020 for sure, but I don't see either side conceding until after the EC vote or the House contingent election while there is still politicking to be done. Perhaps the fly in the ointment would be a faithless elector providing a third option to the house.

3rd option would have been a thing in 2016. The GOP would absolutely have voted for Trump in 2020 as his cult was much stronger than 4 years before.
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« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2021, 06:55:05 PM »

Likely he wouldn't have conceded at 269-269 in November--but would have waited for the ultimate House vote.

And then after the undoubtedly unsuccessful House vote, he would have conceded because unlike Trump, Joe Biden is an honorable man.
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« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2021, 05:27:08 PM »

Absolutely not, nor should he have. While it would have been very very likely Trump would win the vote in the House you have to allow the process to play out until the end.
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« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2021, 05:39:22 PM »

Remember that Mary Landrieu in 2014 and Mike Espy in 2018 didn't concede following their first round elections but rather waited until after their respective runoff elections, even though the general consensus was that they wouldn't have been favored in their respective runoffs. Likewise, in this particular scenario I think Biden would definitely have waited until after the contingent election in Congress to make any official statements on the final election result.
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« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2021, 08:53:22 AM »
« Edited: December 06, 2021, 09:24:16 AM by Skill and Chance »

No.  Liz Cheney alone could block Trump's election in the House, and they only would only need Romney to delay the senate vote on a VP until after the GA runoffs (Perdue can't participate until after the runoff even if he wins).  That is where the focus would be.  And while she (and the other pro-impeachment R's) supported Trump prior to the election, keep in mind that in this scenario, Trump would still be making a scene about Pennsylvania to try to win outright.  That could be enough to lose her support in January. 
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« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2021, 10:28:59 AM »

No.  Liz Cheney alone could block Trump's election in the House, and they only would only need Romney to delay the senate vote on a VP until after the GA runoffs (Perdue can't participate until after the runoff even if he wins).  That is where the focus would be.  And while she (and the other pro-impeachment R's) supported Trump prior to the election, keep in mind that in this scenario, Trump would still be making a scene about Pennsylvania to try to win outright.  That could be enough to lose her support in January. 

She just became anti-Trump after the insurrection, which wouldn't have happened with Trump not losing outright in November.
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« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2021, 01:22:08 PM »

This would have been a nightmare, dodged a bullet there
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« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2021, 05:10:10 PM »

Yikes. 
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« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2021, 08:54:22 AM »

No.  Liz Cheney alone could block Trump's election in the House, and they only would only need Romney to delay the senate vote on a VP until after the GA runoffs (Perdue can't participate until after the runoff even if he wins).  That is where the focus would be.  And while she (and the other pro-impeachment R's) supported Trump prior to the election, keep in mind that in this scenario, Trump would still be making a scene about Pennsylvania to try to win outright.  That could be enough to lose her support in January. 

She just became anti-Trump after the insurrection, which wouldn't have happened with Trump not losing outright in November.

There would still be bonkers conspiracy theories about Pennsylvania.  IDK how much Trump's inner circle would embrace them if they know there is a Plan B?
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« Reply #11 on: January 01, 2022, 06:45:50 PM »

I’m curious, who would have been VP in this situation? The special elections in Georgia would have made it really spicey. My guess is Lence since the outgoing Senate would 100% choose to convene earlier.
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« Reply #12 on: January 01, 2022, 09:54:30 PM »

I highly doubt it
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« Reply #13 on: January 02, 2022, 12:55:26 PM »

No, he'd wait for the Electoral College vote at least. I'd like to think that all Electors in this situation would be faithful and understand that if one of them singlehandedly decided the outcome of the most divisive election that anyone alive can remember, they would launch the country into a massive crisis. So the electoral college would also be tied - if there are any faithless electors, they'll go for a third party, but not make a switch between Biden and Trump. Biden would probably lay low during this time and let the process play out.

When the new senate sits, a 50-50 tie would complicate the 'President of the Senate' vote too, but Pence would most likely be re-elected, technically making a Biden-Pence duo possible, which would be funny. I don't think there has been a partisan difference between the Prez and the VP since Lincoln/Johnson, and that was by design.

In all reality, the House would pick Trump, as there would almost certainly be more Republican-controlled state delegations. But it's a lengthy process, and no doubt Dems would try to play games with it for a last-ditch effort at beating Trump. Biden would probably try to maneuver votes behind the scenes, but lay low publicly to avoid controversy.

Biden would concede after the House most likely elects Trump. Interestingly, if the House takes longer than until Jan 20 to pick a President, Mike Pence might get to be 46 for a short time.
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