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« on: November 25, 2021, 11:47:14 AM »

2000:

2004: Same as OTL

2008:

2012:

2016:

2020:
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« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2021, 02:45:08 PM »

As far as the impact on the Presidential race itself is concerned, I think Obama loses NC and IN in 2008; and loses FL in 2012 without the impact of running mates on performance.
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« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2021, 11:52:05 PM »

Palin would’ve been smoked
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« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2021, 01:41:05 PM »

As far as the impact on the Presidential race itself is concerned, I think Obama loses NC and IN in 2008; and loses FL in 2012 without the impact of running mates on performance.
Biden wouldn't have helped or hurt Obama, as he would have been elected separately from Obama
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« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2021, 02:29:29 PM »

Another question is whether the Vice President, being a separately elected position, has its own primary. That raises a whole load of questions. Would Kamala Harris have run for President and dropped to Vice President? Or are candidates mostly aligned beforehand?

I also wonder whether there would be more ticket-splitting, but even more ticket drop off - that might explain your 2016 map.

Interesting thread as always.
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« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2021, 06:14:19 PM »

2000:

2004: Same as OTL

2008:

2012:

2016:

2020:

Cheney's noteriety did not emerge until after Bush was elected; he may well have prevailed.
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« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2021, 06:19:41 PM »

2000:

2004: Same as OTL

2008:

2012:

2016:

2020:

Cheney's noteriety did not emerge until after Bush was elected; he may well have prevailed.
I don't think he was particularly appealing even before that
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