Biden will not expand vaxx mandates, but he will tighten mask rules

[Mr. Reactionary]

People who have been fully vaccinated and who have had a booster shot should not have to wear masks for any reason.

Hold on now, what about those evil under-vaccinated people who only took two shots. Are they now under the same rules as the even eviler unvaccinated?

The new "moderate" position on pandemic regulations will be that you can get back to life as normal so long as you have had the most recent booster shot. Soon "anti-vax" will refer to people who haven't gotten their 4th booster shots.

If there is a legitimate need for 4th boosters (thanks to new variants spawned by the totally unvaccinated) and some people refuse, they want exactly be the same thing as "anti-vax" but they'll be bad human beings. Not as deplorable as the people with 0 vaccines, but still not good.

Hopefully that won't ever happen.

Substitute "vaccine" with "aryan parent" and it reveals your true nature.

Substitute a word with a different word and change the meaning of a sentence. Real groundbreaking stuff you're posting.

Im not the pompous dirtbag proclaiming vast swaths of the population as "bad human beings" and "deplorables".

[Calthrina950]

Should be a mask mandate, strict occupancy guidelines and mandatory vaccinations for basically any indoor activity. Sure you can refuse vaccination but that means no doing basically anytjing other than staying in your home or going for a walk outside. I include grocery stores on this. Want groceries but refuse vaccination? Use the curb side pickup option. Only when we are serious will anything change. Government response has beena  joke. This all should have been done in March 2020.

Would it not be better for there to be a vaccination mandate instead of a mask mandate? Why should vaccinated people still be required to wear masks, particularly if everyone in a particular setting or at a particular business must be vaccinated? And by "strict occupancy guidelines", do you mean capacity restrictions? Social distancing requirements? That's what transpired last year.

People will flip their sh**t 10x as much over a vaccine mandate as over a mask mandate.

True, but I don't want to live under a permanent mask mandate.

[7,052,770]

People who have been fully vaccinated and who have had a booster shot should not have to wear masks for any reason.

Hold on now, what about those evil under-vaccinated people who only took two shots. Are they now under the same rules as the even eviler unvaccinated?

The new "moderate" position on pandemic regulations will be that you can get back to life as normal so long as you have had the most recent booster shot. Soon "anti-vax" will refer to people who haven't gotten their 4th booster shots.

If there is a legitimate need for 4th boosters (thanks to new variants spawned by the totally unvaccinated) and some people refuse, they want exactly be the same thing as "anti-vax" but they'll be bad human beings. Not as deplorable as the people with 0 vaccines, but still not good.

Hopefully that won't ever happen.

Substitute "vaccine" with "aryan parent" and it reveals your true nature.

Substitute a word with a different word and change the meaning of a sentence. Real groundbreaking stuff you're posting.

Im not the pompous dirtbag proclaiming vast swaths of the population as "bad human beings" and "deplorables".

Fully unvaccinated adults (excluding those with legitimate medical exemptions) are bad human beings, period, and you're pathetic if you actually stick up for them to own the libz or whatever.

[Santander]

People who have been fully vaccinated and who have had a booster shot should not have to wear masks for any reason.

Hold on now, what about those evil under-vaccinated people who only took two shots. Are they now under the same rules as the even eviler unvaccinated?

The new "moderate" position on pandemic regulations will be that you can get back to life as normal so long as you have had the most recent booster shot. Soon "anti-vax" will refer to people who haven't gotten their 4th booster shots.

If there is a legitimate need for 4th boosters (thanks to new variants spawned by the totally unvaccinated) and some people refuse, they want exactly be the same thing as "anti-vax" but they'll be bad human beings. Not as deplorable as the people with 0 vaccines, but still not good.

Hopefully that won't ever happen.

Substitute "vaccine" with "aryan parent" and it reveals your true nature.

Substitute a word with a different word and change the meaning of a sentence. Real groundbreaking stuff you're posting.

Im not the pompous dirtbag proclaiming vast swaths of the population as "bad human beings" and "deplorables".

Fully unvaccinated adults (excluding those with legitimate medical exemptions) are bad human beings, period, and you're pathetic if you actually stick up for them to own the libz or whatever.

God forbid people make their own health decisions.

[Mopsus]

People who have been fully vaccinated and who have had a booster shot should not have to wear masks for any reason.

Hold on now, what about those evil under-vaccinated people who only took two shots. Are they now under the same rules as the even eviler unvaccinated?

The new "moderate" position on pandemic regulations will be that you can get back to life as normal so long as you have had the most recent booster shot. Soon "anti-vax" will refer to people who haven't gotten their 4th booster shots.

If there is a legitimate need for 4th boosters (thanks to new variants spawned by the totally unvaccinated) and some people refuse, they want exactly be the same thing as "anti-vax" but they'll be bad human beings. Not as deplorable as the people with 0 vaccines, but still not good.

Hopefully that won't ever happen.

Substitute "vaccine" with "aryan parent" and it reveals your true nature.

Substitute a word with a different word and change the meaning of a sentence. Real groundbreaking stuff you're posting.

Im not the pompous dirtbag proclaiming vast swaths of the population as "bad human beings" and "deplorables".

Fully unvaccinated adults (excluding those with legitimate medical exemptions) are bad human beings, period, and you're pathetic if you actually stick up for them to own the libz or whatever.

I’m fully unvaccinated and I’m a good person, so your logic is false.

[7,052,770]

People who have been fully vaccinated and who have had a booster shot should not have to wear masks for any reason.

Hold on now, what about those evil under-vaccinated people who only took two shots. Are they now under the same rules as the even eviler unvaccinated?

The new "moderate" position on pandemic regulations will be that you can get back to life as normal so long as you have had the most recent booster shot. Soon "anti-vax" will refer to people who haven't gotten their 4th booster shots.

If there is a legitimate need for 4th boosters (thanks to new variants spawned by the totally unvaccinated) and some people refuse, they want exactly be the same thing as "anti-vax" but they'll be bad human beings. Not as deplorable as the people with 0 vaccines, but still not good.

Hopefully that won't ever happen.

Substitute "vaccine" with "aryan parent" and it reveals your true nature.

Substitute a word with a different word and change the meaning of a sentence. Real groundbreaking stuff you're posting.

Im not the pompous dirtbag proclaiming vast swaths of the population as "bad human beings" and "deplorables".

Fully unvaccinated adults (excluding those with legitimate medical exemptions) are bad human beings, period, and you're pathetic if you actually stick up for them to own the libz or whatever.

God forbid people make their own health decisions.

Obviously, you're familiar with this point and just choose not to care about it, but no contagious deadly disease can ever be someone's "own" health decision. People choosing to remain unvaccinated have prolonged the pandemic for everyone, not just themselves.

We could be past this, but (an overwhelmingly Trumpist) segment of society has consciously chosen that we won't be, and those of us who do have a concept of personal responsibility are stuck with what they've chosen for us.

[7,052,770]

I’m fully unvaccinated and I’m a good person, so your logic is false.

[DaleCooper]

People who have been fully vaccinated and who have had a booster shot should not have to wear masks for any reason.

Hold on now, what about those evil under-vaccinated people who only took two shots. Are they now under the same rules as the even eviler unvaccinated?

The new "moderate" position on pandemic regulations will be that you can get back to life as normal so long as you have had the most recent booster shot. Soon "anti-vax" will refer to people who haven't gotten their 4th booster shots.

If there is a legitimate need for 4th boosters (thanks to new variants spawned by the totally unvaccinated) and some people refuse, they want exactly be the same thing as "anti-vax" but they'll be bad human beings. Not as deplorable as the people with 0 vaccines, but still not good.

Hopefully that won't ever happen.

The problem is that the definition of "legitimate need" will be something along the lines of 90% asymptomatic with the 4th booster or 87% asymptomatic without the fourth booster (and 99% nonfatal in both).

Obviously if a new variant is spawned (this can happen in a vaccinated person too, or a bat, or any other animal that can contract COVID) and it has a fatality rate of 1-2% again, then that's a much different story and it'll obviously call for new vaccines. But that's not the standard that the alarmists have when it comes to new regulations or boosters.

[Green Line]

https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-variant-dutch-flights/dutch-say-large-majority-of-62-flight-passengers-with-covid-were-vaccinated-idUKS8N2LZ09W

"A “large majority” of 62 passengers on two flights from South Africa who tested positive for COVID-19 shortly after arrival in the Netherlands on Nov. 26 had been vaccinated, Dutch authorities said on Thursday."

Vaccines that don't prevent transmission, but we need vaccine passports in public spaces to protect the vaccinated from... something.

Hint:  Its not about the virus.

What do you personally think it is about? Mass surveillance? I’m not asking to mock, I’m genuinely curious.

Power and control, like most things in life.  Bureaucrats, politicians, and even the general public are all guilty of it.  "You're not going to take the shot even though we demand it?  Okay, then you lose your right to go out."

The public was sold on a vaccine that would end the pandemic.  When it turned out to not be true, naturally they look for a whipping boy.  It has to be somebodys fault.  Politicians are more than happy to oblige and point them in the right direction.

The pandemic would be over if we had a 100% vaccination rate. Thanks primarily to conservatives, we won't ever get to 100%.

Such a ridiculous statement.  No, it would not be over.  It spreads quite easily within fully vaccinated persons.  At any rate, there was never any expectation that literally "100%" of the population would be vaccinated at any point in time, so you lamenting it is just trolling.  Some people can't get it to due medical exemptions.  To top it all off, the vaccine is so ineffective after 6 months that it needs a booster.  Good luck revaccinating 100% of the population every 6 months indefinitely.  Its just laughable.

[7,052,770]

https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-variant-dutch-flights/dutch-say-large-majority-of-62-flight-passengers-with-covid-were-vaccinated-idUKS8N2LZ09W

"A “large majority” of 62 passengers on two flights from South Africa who tested positive for COVID-19 shortly after arrival in the Netherlands on Nov. 26 had been vaccinated, Dutch authorities said on Thursday."

Vaccines that don't prevent transmission, but we need vaccine passports in public spaces to protect the vaccinated from... something.

Hint:  Its not about the virus.

What do you personally think it is about? Mass surveillance? I’m not asking to mock, I’m genuinely curious.

Power and control, like most things in life.  Bureaucrats, politicians, and even the general public are all guilty of it.  "You're not going to take the shot even though we demand it?  Okay, then you lose your right to go out."

The public was sold on a vaccine that would end the pandemic.  When it turned out to not be true, naturally they look for a whipping boy.  It has to be somebodys fault.  Politicians are more than happy to oblige and point them in the right direction.

The pandemic would be over if we had a 100% vaccination rate. Thanks primarily to conservatives, we won't ever get to 100%.

Such a ridiculous statement.  No, it would not be over.  It spreads quite easily within fully vaccinated persons.  At any rate, there was never any expectation that literally "100%" of the population would be vaccinated at any point in time, so you lamenting it is just trolling.  Some people can't get it to due medical exemptions.  To top it all off, the vaccine is so ineffective after 6 months that it needs a booster.  Good luck revaccinating 100% of the population every 6 months indefinitely.  Its just laughable.

It's not "over" because a quarter million unvaccinated people (and counting ) have died despite having opportunity not to. It wouldn't matter if there were still the occasional breakthrough case in a 100% vaccinated environment (which I've always clarified would not include the sliver of people with legitimate medical exceptions, so quit embarrassing yourself by playing that card), because they would be extremely rare, nonfatal, and usually asymptomatic anyway.

If everyone (oh noes is Harry breaking from his pattern and not excluding the people with legitimate medical exemptions??!!!111one) were vaccinated, we would have moved on months ago. The sh!t tier humans you're defending are the cause of all of your COVID woes, not the people who did the right thing and got vaccinated.

[7,052,770]

The problem is that the definition of "legitimate need" will be something along the lines of 90% asymptomatic with the 4th booster or 87% asymptomatic without the fourth booster (and 99% nonfatal in both).

Obviously if a new variant is spawned (this can happen in a vaccinated person too, or a bat, or any other animal that can contract COVID) and it has a fatality rate of 1-2% again, then that's a much different story and it'll obviously call for new vaccines. But that's not the standard that the alarmists have when it comes to new regulations or boosters.

I think you and I are on the same side here, I'm just not pessimistic about hypothetical leftist boogeymen when I can be pessimistic about actual unvaccinated people dying by the hundred-thousands to own the libs and prolong the pandemic. I have no doubt we'll hit 1,000,000 total deaths, even though we could have stopped at 500,000.

[Green Line]

https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-variant-dutch-flights/dutch-say-large-majority-of-62-flight-passengers-with-covid-were-vaccinated-idUKS8N2LZ09W

"A “large majority” of 62 passengers on two flights from South Africa who tested positive for COVID-19 shortly after arrival in the Netherlands on Nov. 26 had been vaccinated, Dutch authorities said on Thursday."

Vaccines that don't prevent transmission, but we need vaccine passports in public spaces to protect the vaccinated from... something.

Hint:  Its not about the virus.

What do you personally think it is about? Mass surveillance? I’m not asking to mock, I’m genuinely curious.

Power and control, like most things in life.  Bureaucrats, politicians, and even the general public are all guilty of it.  "You're not going to take the shot even though we demand it?  Okay, then you lose your right to go out."

The public was sold on a vaccine that would end the pandemic.  When it turned out to not be true, naturally they look for a whipping boy.  It has to be somebodys fault.  Politicians are more than happy to oblige and point them in the right direction.

The pandemic would be over if we had a 100% vaccination rate. Thanks primarily to conservatives, we won't ever get to 100%.

Such a ridiculous statement.  No, it would not be over.  It spreads quite easily within fully vaccinated persons.  At any rate, there was never any expectation that literally "100%" of the population would be vaccinated at any point in time, so you lamenting it is just trolling.  Some people can't get it to due medical exemptions.  To top it all off, the vaccine is so ineffective after 6 months that it needs a booster.  Good luck revaccinating 100% of the population every 6 months indefinitely.  Its just laughable.

It's not "over" because a quarter million unvaccinated people (and counting ) have died despite having opportunity not to. It wouldn't matter if there were still the occasional breakthrough case in a 100% vaccinated environment (which I've always clarified would not include the sliver of people with legitimate medical exceptions, so quit embarrassing yourself by playing that card), because they would be extremely rare, nonfatal, and usually asymptomatic anyway.

If everyone (oh noes is Harry breaking from his pattern and not excluding the people with legitimate medical exemptions??!!!111one) were vaccinated, we would have moved on months ago. The sh!t tier humans you're defending are the cause of all of your COVID woes, not the people who did the right thing and got vaccinated.

Clearly, this is not the case because I could live in Florida, Texas, or many other red states and not live under punishing mandates.  Therefore, my “woes” are clearly coming from the political arena rather than the medical one.  Sorry you dont understand this still.  Politicians decide when it is and is not over.

[DaleCooper]

https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-variant-dutch-flights/dutch-say-large-majority-of-62-flight-passengers-with-covid-were-vaccinated-idUKS8N2LZ09W

"A “large majority” of 62 passengers on two flights from South Africa who tested positive for COVID-19 shortly after arrival in the Netherlands on Nov. 26 had been vaccinated, Dutch authorities said on Thursday."

Vaccines that don't prevent transmission, but we need vaccine passports in public spaces to protect the vaccinated from... something.

Hint:  Its not about the virus.

What do you personally think it is about? Mass surveillance? I’m not asking to mock, I’m genuinely curious.

Power and control, like most things in life.  Bureaucrats, politicians, and even the general public are all guilty of it.  "You're not going to take the shot even though we demand it?  Okay, then you lose your right to go out."

The public was sold on a vaccine that would end the pandemic.  When it turned out to not be true, naturally they look for a whipping boy.  It has to be somebodys fault.  Politicians are more than happy to oblige and point them in the right direction.

The pandemic would be over if we had a 100% vaccination rate. Thanks primarily to conservatives, we won't ever get to 100%.

Such a ridiculous statement.  No, it would not be over.  It spreads quite easily within fully vaccinated persons.  At any rate, there was never any expectation that literally "100%" of the population would be vaccinated at any point in time, so you lamenting it is just trolling.  Some people can't get it to due medical exemptions.  To top it all off, the vaccine is so ineffective after 6 months that it needs a booster.  Good luck revaccinating 100% of the population every 6 months indefinitely.  Its just laughable.

This is only the case if you're judging the pandemic based purely on the number of cases the way the alarmists do. All three provide enough protection to make COVID-19 essentially like the flu, which is fine. There's nothing to fear in getting COVID at some point in the future if the death rate has been reduced to well below .01%. Like with the flu shots, elderly people and anyone who wants to avoid getting sick may choose to get them every year, but there's no reason to force it on the rest of us.

[7,052,770]

https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-variant-dutch-flights/dutch-say-large-majority-of-62-flight-passengers-with-covid-were-vaccinated-idUKS8N2LZ09W

"A “large majority” of 62 passengers on two flights from South Africa who tested positive for COVID-19 shortly after arrival in the Netherlands on Nov. 26 had been vaccinated, Dutch authorities said on Thursday."

Vaccines that don't prevent transmission, but we need vaccine passports in public spaces to protect the vaccinated from... something.

Hint:  Its not about the virus.

What do you personally think it is about? Mass surveillance? I’m not asking to mock, I’m genuinely curious.

Power and control, like most things in life.  Bureaucrats, politicians, and even the general public are all guilty of it.  "You're not going to take the shot even though we demand it?  Okay, then you lose your right to go out."

The public was sold on a vaccine that would end the pandemic.  When it turned out to not be true, naturally they look for a whipping boy.  It has to be somebodys fault.  Politicians are more than happy to oblige and point them in the right direction.

The pandemic would be over if we had a 100% vaccination rate. Thanks primarily to conservatives, we won't ever get to 100%.

Such a ridiculous statement.  No, it would not be over.  It spreads quite easily within fully vaccinated persons.  At any rate, there was never any expectation that literally "100%" of the population would be vaccinated at any point in time, so you lamenting it is just trolling.  Some people can't get it to due medical exemptions.  To top it all off, the vaccine is so ineffective after 6 months that it needs a booster.  Good luck revaccinating 100% of the population every 6 months indefinitely.  Its just laughable.

It's not "over" because a quarter million unvaccinated people (and counting ) have died despite having opportunity not to. It wouldn't matter if there were still the occasional breakthrough case in a 100% vaccinated environment (which I've always clarified would not include the sliver of people with legitimate medical exceptions, so quit embarrassing yourself by playing that card), because they would be extremely rare, nonfatal, and usually asymptomatic anyway.

If everyone (oh noes is Harry breaking from his pattern and not excluding the people with legitimate medical exemptions??!!!111one) were vaccinated, we would have moved on months ago. The sh!t tier humans you're defending are the cause of all of your COVID woes, not the people who did the right thing and got vaccinated.

Clearly, this is not the case because I could live in Florida, Texas, or many other red states and not live under punishing mandates.  Therefore, my “woes” are clearly coming from the political arena rather than the medical one.  Sorry you dont understand this still.  Politicians decide when it is and is not over.

There wouldn't be any "punishing" (LOL) mandates anywhere by now if everyone had just gotten vaccinated in the first half of 2021. Blame them, not the people trying desperately to lessen the death rate.

250,000 (and counting) Americans dead because they chose not to get a shot that would have almost certainly saved their lives.

[Green Line]

https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-variant-dutch-flights/dutch-say-large-majority-of-62-flight-passengers-with-covid-were-vaccinated-idUKS8N2LZ09W

"A “large majority” of 62 passengers on two flights from South Africa who tested positive for COVID-19 shortly after arrival in the Netherlands on Nov. 26 had been vaccinated, Dutch authorities said on Thursday."

Vaccines that don't prevent transmission, but we need vaccine passports in public spaces to protect the vaccinated from... something.

Hint:  Its not about the virus.

What do you personally think it is about? Mass surveillance? I’m not asking to mock, I’m genuinely curious.

Power and control, like most things in life.  Bureaucrats, politicians, and even the general public are all guilty of it.  "You're not going to take the shot even though we demand it?  Okay, then you lose your right to go out."

The public was sold on a vaccine that would end the pandemic.  When it turned out to not be true, naturally they look for a whipping boy.  It has to be somebodys fault.  Politicians are more than happy to oblige and point them in the right direction.

The pandemic would be over if we had a 100% vaccination rate. Thanks primarily to conservatives, we won't ever get to 100%.

Such a ridiculous statement.  No, it would not be over.  It spreads quite easily within fully vaccinated persons.  At any rate, there was never any expectation that literally "100%" of the population would be vaccinated at any point in time, so you lamenting it is just trolling.  Some people can't get it to due medical exemptions.  To top it all off, the vaccine is so ineffective after 6 months that it needs a booster.  Good luck revaccinating 100% of the population every 6 months indefinitely.  Its just laughable.

It's not "over" because a quarter million unvaccinated people (and counting ) have died despite having opportunity not to. It wouldn't matter if there were still the occasional breakthrough case in a 100% vaccinated environment (which I've always clarified would not include the sliver of people with legitimate medical exceptions, so quit embarrassing yourself by playing that card), because they would be extremely rare, nonfatal, and usually asymptomatic anyway.

If everyone (oh noes is Harry breaking from his pattern and not excluding the people with legitimate medical exemptions??!!!111one) were vaccinated, we would have moved on months ago. The sh!t tier humans you're defending are the cause of all of your COVID woes, not the people who did the right thing and got vaccinated.

Clearly, this is not the case because I could live in Florida, Texas, or many other red states and not live under punishing mandates.  Therefore, my “woes” are clearly coming from the political arena rather than the medical one.  Sorry you dont understand this still.  Politicians decide when it is and is not over.

There wouldn't be any "punishing" (LOL) mandates anywhere by now if everyone had just gotten vaccinated in the first half of 2021. Blame them, not the people trying desperately to lessen the death rate.

250,000 (and counting) Americans dead because they chose not to get a shot that would have almost certainly saved their lives.

Nah.  I'll blame the politicans making the bad decisions, not random people who have no control over the pandemic response.

[West_Midlander]

People have had ample time to get vaccinated. There should be no mask or vaccination requirements.

[Hermit For Peace]

People have had ample time to get vaccinated. There should be no mask or vaccination requirements.

But infections are still happening. What else would you suggest we do to curb the virus?

[Green Line]

People have had ample time to get vaccinated. There should be no mask or vaccination requirements.

But infections are still happening. What else would you suggest we do to curb the virus?

Nothing.

[7,052,770]

https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-variant-dutch-flights/dutch-say-large-majority-of-62-flight-passengers-with-covid-were-vaccinated-idUKS8N2LZ09W

"A “large majority” of 62 passengers on two flights from South Africa who tested positive for COVID-19 shortly after arrival in the Netherlands on Nov. 26 had been vaccinated, Dutch authorities said on Thursday."

Vaccines that don't prevent transmission, but we need vaccine passports in public spaces to protect the vaccinated from... something.

Hint:  Its not about the virus.

What do you personally think it is about? Mass surveillance? I’m not asking to mock, I’m genuinely curious.

Power and control, like most things in life.  Bureaucrats, politicians, and even the general public are all guilty of it.  "You're not going to take the shot even though we demand it?  Okay, then you lose your right to go out."

The public was sold on a vaccine that would end the pandemic.  When it turned out to not be true, naturally they look for a whipping boy.  It has to be somebodys fault.  Politicians are more than happy to oblige and point them in the right direction.

The pandemic would be over if we had a 100% vaccination rate. Thanks primarily to conservatives, we won't ever get to 100%.

Such a ridiculous statement.  No, it would not be over.  It spreads quite easily within fully vaccinated persons.  At any rate, there was never any expectation that literally "100%" of the population would be vaccinated at any point in time, so you lamenting it is just trolling.  Some people can't get it to due medical exemptions.  To top it all off, the vaccine is so ineffective after 6 months that it needs a booster.  Good luck revaccinating 100% of the population every 6 months indefinitely.  Its just laughable.

It's not "over" because a quarter million unvaccinated people (and counting ) have died despite having opportunity not to. It wouldn't matter if there were still the occasional breakthrough case in a 100% vaccinated environment (which I've always clarified would not include the sliver of people with legitimate medical exceptions, so quit embarrassing yourself by playing that card), because they would be extremely rare, nonfatal, and usually asymptomatic anyway.

If everyone (oh noes is Harry breaking from his pattern and not excluding the people with legitimate medical exemptions??!!!111one) were vaccinated, we would have moved on months ago. The sh!t tier humans you're defending are the cause of all of your COVID woes, not the people who did the right thing and got vaccinated.

Clearly, this is not the case because I could live in Florida, Texas, or many other red states and not live under punishing mandates.  Therefore, my “woes” are clearly coming from the political arena rather than the medical one.  Sorry you dont understand this still.  Politicians decide when it is and is not over.

There wouldn't be any "punishing" (LOL) mandates anywhere by now if everyone had just gotten vaccinated in the first half of 2021. Blame them, not the people trying desperately to lessen the death rate.

250,000 (and counting) Americans dead because they chose not to get a shot that would have almost certainly saved their lives.

Nah.  I'll blame the politicans making the bad decisions, not random people who have no control over the pandemic response.

You do you, but I'm a "realist" kind of guy, so I'll blame the non-random (seriously, do you know what "random" means?) people who have made the conscious choice to keep spreading the disease around rather than protecting themselves and the people they come in contact with.

I will also blame the politicians and pundits who encourage their behavior (virtually all of whom are actually vaccinated themselves but want more deaths so that Biden can't have a "win"), but ultimately it's up to each individual to take responsibility for their own actions.

[Mr. Reactionary]

https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-variant-dutch-flights/dutch-say-large-majority-of-62-flight-passengers-with-covid-were-vaccinated-idUKS8N2LZ09W

"A “large majority” of 62 passengers on two flights from South Africa who tested positive for COVID-19 shortly after arrival in the Netherlands on Nov. 26 had been vaccinated, Dutch authorities said on Thursday."

Vaccines that don't prevent transmission, but we need vaccine passports in public spaces to protect the vaccinated from... something.

Hint:  Its not about the virus.

What do you personally think it is about? Mass surveillance? I’m not asking to mock, I’m genuinely curious.

Power and control, like most things in life.  Bureaucrats, politicians, and even the general public are all guilty of it.  "You're not going to take the shot even though we demand it?  Okay, then you lose your right to go out."

The public was sold on a vaccine that would end the pandemic.  When it turned out to not be true, naturally they look for a whipping boy.  It has to be somebodys fault.  Politicians are more than happy to oblige and point them in the right direction.

The pandemic would be over if we had a 100% vaccination rate. Thanks primarily to conservatives, we won't ever get to 100%.

Such a ridiculous statement.  No, it would not be over.  It spreads quite easily within fully vaccinated persons.  At any rate, there was never any expectation that literally "100%" of the population would be vaccinated at any point in time, so you lamenting it is just trolling.  Some people can't get it to due medical exemptions.  To top it all off, the vaccine is so ineffective after 6 months that it needs a booster.  Good luck revaccinating 100% of the population every 6 months indefinitely.  Its just laughable.

It's not "over" because a quarter million unvaccinated people (and counting ) have died despite having opportunity not to. It wouldn't matter if there were still the occasional breakthrough case in a 100% vaccinated environment (which I've always clarified would not include the sliver of people with legitimate medical exceptions, so quit embarrassing yourself by playing that card), because they would be extremely rare, nonfatal, and usually asymptomatic anyway.

If everyone (oh noes is Harry breaking from his pattern and not excluding the people with legitimate medical exemptions??!!!111one) were vaccinated, we would have moved on months ago. The sh!t tier humans you're defending are the cause of all of your COVID woes, not the people who did the right thing and got vaccinated.

Clearly, this is not the case because I could live in Florida, Texas, or many other red states and not live under punishing mandates.  Therefore, my “woes” are clearly coming from the political arena rather than the medical one.  Sorry you dont understand this still.  Politicians decide when it is and is not over.

There wouldn't be any "punishing" (LOL) mandates anywhere by now if everyone had just gotten vaccinated in the first half of 2021. Blame them, not the people trying desperately to lessen the death rate.

250,000 (and counting) Americans dead because they chose not to get a shot that would have almost certainly saved their lives.

Do you support punishing smokers for causing a lung cancer pandemic? Or junkies for overdose pandemic? Red meat eaters for the heart disease pandemic? Unprotected sex havers for the hpv pandemic?

You are claiming that people are "bad" for engaging in an activity that by your own comments largely only harms the person making that "bad" decision.

[Antonio the Sixth]

People who have been fully vaccinated and who have had a booster shot should not have to wear masks for any reason.

Hold on now, what about those evil under-vaccinated people who only took two shots. Are they now under the same rules as the even eviler unvaccinated?

The new "moderate" position on pandemic regulations will be that you can get back to life as normal so long as you have had the most recent booster shot. Soon "anti-vax" will refer to people who haven't gotten their 4th booster shots.

If there is a legitimate need for 4th boosters (thanks to new variants spawned by the totally unvaccinated) and some people refuse, they want exactly be the same thing as "anti-vax" but they'll be bad human beings. Not as deplorable as the people with 0 vaccines, but still not good.

Hopefully that won't ever happen.

Substitute "vaccine" with "aryan parent" and it reveals your true nature.

Substitute a word with a different word and change the meaning of a sentence. Real groundbreaking stuff you're posting.

I'm not interested in this broader conversation (and I do, for the record, think Harry is being kind of a sanctimonious dick here), but can we pause for a moment and laugh at the fact that Mr. Reactionary actually thought this was a good dig? Like, that's one of the most pathetic attempts at an own I've seen in a while.

"UHHH, substitute one phrase you're using with a completely unrelated phrase and suddenly what you're saying sounds really bad DUHH" Absolutely wild stuff.

[West_Midlander]

Abortion is a much greater cause of death than COVID by far. 5.23M worldwide COVID deaths during the whole pandemic vs. 39.4M abortions just this year so far.

Sources: Google via Wikipedia, The New York Times, Our World in Data and JHU CSSE COVID-19 Data for COVID deaths and https://www.worldometers.info/abortions/ for abortion #s primarily via information from the WHO

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Do you support punishing smokers for causing a lung cancer pandemic? Or junkies for overdose pandemic? Red meat eaters for the heart disease pandemic? Unprotected sex havers for the hpv pandemic?

You are claiming that people are "bad" for engaging in an activity that by your own comments largely only harms the person making that "bad" decision.

Your analogy fails right off the bat because I don't advocate "punish"ing anyone as it is. After all, what would the punishment even be?

• Jail time? No, that's clearly unworkable and would lead to very bad outcomes for families. Plus, all those unvaccinated people in close quarters would just breed all kinds of COVID variants.
• Fines? No, I think that's regressive. However, I would support something like "a $1,000 tax refund to any fully vaccinated person in April 2022." That's not really a punishment though, just an incentive.
• Forced vaccinations? I mean, if it were feasible to just pass a law that requires everyone to get it (with the standard medical exceptions, don't worry!), I would support it, but I think it would lead to open revolts and violence and not be productive.

So no, I can't advocate to "punish" anyone. I'm merely stating the undeniable fact (one that even some Republican politicians are admitting) that the reason the pandemic isn't over is because some people refuse to get vaccinated. I don't think highly of these people. I realize many of them have been duped, and believe me I also think negatively about the dupers, but they should be able to see through the BS.

Beyond that, your analogies still don't really work.

• Smokers - I have an extremely negative opinion of smoking, and I'm pleased that society has moved in that direction over the past few decades.
  • You mention lung cancer, but smoking is a major cause of lots of cancers and other diseases. However, the difference is that an unvaccinated person can spread COVID-19 to someone else by being around them once, and while second-hand smoke can cause the medical issues smoking can cause (making the analogy not totally bad), it takes way more than just one exposure. So I would blame a smoker who gave someone else cancer through exposure, it would have to be very long-term and non-incidental.
  • Another obligatory reminder is that the cancers and other negative health effects caused by smoking often don't show up until the smoker is past age 65, meaning the taxpayers are on the hook through Medicare, which does not charge smokers extra premium to cover their increased medical costs. Remember that every time you see someone lighting up a cigarette - they are a moocher passing on their medical costs to society. Kinda like an unvaccinated person who gets COVID is passing along costs to their insurance pool, and if over 65 or low-income, the taxpayers.
  • You may be aware that the ACA allows health insurers to charge higher premiums to smokers. In a shocking irony, I ... don't support that. Despite my feelings on smoking and smokers, I just don't think it's fair to single out that one costly vice when lots of others exist. Hopefully dead0man kept reading to this bullet before typing out an angry rebuttal to the last one.
  • Finally, I think it's fair to remember that regular smokers tend to be addicted to cigarettes and have extreme difficulty quitting. If we're going to have compassion for heroin and crack addicts, we should have compassion for tobacco addicts too. This is another key difference from the unvaccinated, unless you want to argue that they're "addicted" to misinformation.
• And that leads us into drug addicts. Again, the analogy doesn't really work, because they aren't generally infecting others with the consequences of their drug habits.
• Meat eaters. That analogy doesn't work, because no one eating meat can cause heart disease in another person. I think you could make a logical argument for charging vegetarians less for health insurance/Medicare, but that's probably not a road we should go down unless we want to have a never-ending fight over what to charge for every bad habit.
• "Sex havers." I think the analogy is the best of the 4, and I think very lowly of people who spread STDs through their carelessness or indifference. It is illegal (maybe depending on the state?) to intentionally infect someone with an STD, or for an HIV-positive person to have sex at all without divulging their HIV status, so I guess to answer your question, I do support punishing them under those laws. Do you oppose such laws?

Is it true that going unvaccinated only harms yourself and other unvaccinated people? It's pretty close to true in the direct sense. Not 100%, but very, very few vaccinated people are dying or being hospitalized from COVID, and those who are tend to be old and have comorbidities.

However, I still don't want anyone to die from COVID. I want us to be 100% vaccinated not because I want to "control" everyone and force you to do things, but because I care about my fellow man and don't want anyone to go through such a horrific experience or lose a family member that way. Also, I want the strong economy of the 2010s back, and that's not happening as long as COVID is still ravaging us. More than 1,000 Americans (almost all of whom have spent 9 months continually refusing to get vaccinated) are dying daily. That's just a heartbreaking waste, and a number that would be practically 0 if people would just get the damn shot.