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« Reply #350 on: September 21, 2022, 03:18:39 PM »

Results for the parliamentary election are now finalized. Which means we also know how the small parties out-side of parliament did.

Top-ten looked like this:

1. Partiet Nyans (PNy) Nuance Party - 28 352 - 0,44%
2. Alternativ för Sverige (AfS) Alternative for Sweden - 16 646 - 0,26%
3. Medborgerlig samling (Med) Citizens' Coalition - 12 882 - 0,20%
4. Piratpartiet (PP) Pirate Party - 9 135 - 0,14%
5. Partiet MoD (MD) Party MoD "Bravery"1 - 6 077 - 0,09%
6. Kristna Värdepartiet (KrVP) Christian Values Party - 5 983 - 0,09%
7. Knapptryckarna (Kn) The Button Pushers2 - 5 493 - 0,08%
8. Feministiskt initiativ (FI) Feminist Initiative - 3 157 - 0,05%
9. Landsbygdspartiet Oberoende (LPO) Independent Countryside Party - 2 215 - 0,03
10. Direktdemokraterna (DD) Direct Democracy - 1 755 - 0,03%

The big thing people here are talking about is Nuance. They polled very well in some muslim and immigrant neighbourhoods in big cities and considering how close the election turned out to be, some people are saying that the Social Democrats lost power due to Nuance taking votes from them and the Left Party.

It's also interesting to note just how terrible Feminist Initiative did when you consider the party was close to enter parliament just 8 years ago and was the biggest of the small parties just 4 years ago. I don't think the party will survive much longer.


1They're Covid conspiracy theorists who are against vaccinations and Covid restrictions

2They're a party that supports some sort of Direct Democracy. They're just in parliament to press the buttons on what the people wants.


Not really surprising, the surprising part was that it did so well last election with its politics being so well represented in parliament.
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« Reply #351 on: September 21, 2022, 06:49:35 PM »

Jumping in with my patented proportional with no threshold numbers:

Sweden 2022:

S: 106 seats (-1)
SD: 72 seats (-1)
M: 67 seats (-1)
V: 24 seats (+/- 0)
C: 23 seats (-1)
KD: 19 seats (+/- 0)
MP: 18 seats (+/- 0)
L: 16 seats (+/- 0)
N: 2 seats (+2)
AfS: 1 seat (+1)
MED: 1 seat (+1)

N [1.5275 quotas] beats P [0.4922 quotas] for the last seat by 655 votes.

Nyans takes 2 seats from the left while the right loses 2 seats, one each to AfS and MED. Any right government would rely on support from one of the 2 minor right wing parties, likely MED but even then it's only a 1 seat majority. Quite a mess.

Clarko, any idea what government would form here? It's even more of a mess than the current situation.
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« Reply #352 on: September 22, 2022, 01:41:30 PM »

Any updates on the talks between M, SD, KD and L?
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« Reply #353 on: September 22, 2022, 03:25:32 PM »
« Edited: September 23, 2022, 04:42:24 AM by Clarko95 📚💰📈 »

Any updates on the talks between M, SD, KD and L?

Unfortunately not many, as the negotiations are being conducted with great secrecy.

There are unofficial reports that the conservative bloc quickly reached consensus on immigration and criminal policies, but those were always the easiest lift. Back in May 2021, the four parties agreed to seven points regarding migration policy, and SD said this was acceptable as "a minimum":

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  • Limit the new grounds for residence permits on humanitarian grounds.
  • Legislate on requirements for knowledge of Swedish and social studies for a permanent residence permit.
  • The exceptions to the requirements for a permanent residence permit must be limited.
  • Tightening requirements for support in the case of family members immigrating with regard to alternative protection needs.
  • The exceptions to the support requirement for family immigration must be limited.
  • Other criteria for relative immigration must be limited.
  • Limit the deadline for the immigration of relatives of quota refugees.

Now they are reportedly moving onto the budget negotiations, which are probably the most divisive debates. M and L want to slash the elevated unemployment benefits put in place during the pandemic, SD is opposed. The parties also disagree on cutting other benefits, which benefits and by how much are a mix-and-match game amongst the four parties. SD and M want to slash foreign aid, KD and L want the current levels to stay. Tax policy and housing policy will also be divisive points. However, they probably will agree on scrapping plans for new high-speed trains through Sweden, and instead maintain current investments into existing rail infrastructure.

But otherwise, can't really say much.


It will also be interesting to see if SD returns to their roots as a viciously anti-union party that wants a wholesale repeal of the LAS and MBL; they have successfully hidden this for most of the past 8 years but occasionally let the facade slip as we saw with the November 2019 budget vote. It is a common misconception both inside and outside of Sweden that SD is just S-with-fewer-immigrants, but for most of its history, SD has hated the unions just as much as the Social Democrats.

In other news:

- Andersson has reached out to Kristersson and informed him that S would be open to voting for a Moderate for Speaker of the Riksdag, arguing that the Speaker should have broad consensus and "it is a question of Sweden's image in the world". Dunno how that will play out, and either way I think Norlen will continue as Speaker for another 4 years as he earned a lot of respect over the past 4 years for being a no-nonsense and impartial Speaker. The Greens are also open for this, but no word from V yet.

- V and Mp reported that they saw record numbers of new members since the election, with V gaining 3,000 net new members and Mp 2,000 net new members. V expects their dues-paying membership to exceed 30,000 well before the year-end.

- Aftonbladet has published a very informative interactive guide to the election "So Voted Sweden", which breakdowns where SD has its strongholds, where it gained the most, where C lost the most and why, and also focuses on smaller parties like Nyans. The page works very well with the Chrome Translate extension if you cannot read Swedish (recommend desktop instead of mobile): https://www.aftonbladet.se/valresultat2022/sa-rostade-sverige/
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« Reply #354 on: September 22, 2022, 04:21:41 PM »

What is current swedish immigration policy at present ?
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« Reply #355 on: September 23, 2022, 01:10:07 AM »

What is current swedish immigration policy at present ?

Immigration? Relatively similar to other countries, with the usual EU exceptions.

Migration? lol
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« Reply #356 on: September 25, 2022, 11:21:01 AM »

Dunno how that will play out, and either way I think Norlen will continue as Speaker for another 4 years as he earned a lot of respect over the past 4 years for being a no-nonsense and impartial Speaker.

And just like that, the conservative bloc has announced they have agreed on keeping him on as Speaker for another 4 years. Will be interesting to see how S and Mp vote on him, given their previous statements, because S did indeed nominate their own candidate for Speaker (Kenneth Forslund) without revoking their offer for a Speaker with broad consensus.

However, it looks like they also agreed to SD's Julia Kronlid as second vice-Speaker (there are three vice-Speakers, which is interesting). This is surprising, because she is known for her outspoken anti-abortion views (which are an anathema for M and L) and believes that creationism should be taught as a valid theory in schools. Yet they have agreed to voting for her.

They also agreed that they will not nominate their own candidates for first vice-Speaker and third vice-Speaker to allow the three largest parties to be equally represented here (I'm assuming this means that S will get one of these seats).

The parties have also agreed on the distribution of committee chair positions. SD gets 8 out of a total of 16 presidium positions. M gets 4, the Christian Democrats 2, and the Liberals get 2 as well.
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« Reply #357 on: September 27, 2022, 03:39:03 PM »

Today the new Riksdag formally opened and those elected this year have now taken their seats. Yesterday, however, was the formal vote on Speaker and the three deputy speakers.


Andreas Norlèn (M) was re-elected as Speaker of the Riksdag and Kenneth Forslund (S) was elected as first deputy speaker by voice vote and we quickly moved on.

The rules of the Riksdag say that candidates for Speaker or deputy speaker must have a majority in favor of them in the first two rounds, and only in subsequent rounds can a candidate be elected by plurality. Since two members of the Riksdag were absent (347 of 349 were present), this meant that the threshold for a majority dropped from 175 to 174. Voting is secret, and you physically write someone's name on paper and then deposit the ballot in the box.

Theoretically, with 176 seats for the conservative bloc, Julia Kronlid (SD) should easily have been elected on the first vote. However, she only received 173 votes in the first round, meaning three votes from the conservative bloc defected. However, on the second ballot, she got a majority of 174 and was thus elected second deputy speaker. There were 126 abstentions and 47 voted for her Green opponent, Janine Alm Ericson.

Then the vote for third deputy speaker also had some pointless drama. The conservative bloc kept the seat open for other parties, just as the first deputy speaker post was seceded to the Social Democrats. This time, there was a fight between Centre and the Left Party. It took three rounds of voting before Kerstin Lundgren (C) was elected here.

So the final balance of the Speaker and three deputies is: M, S, SD, and C.



Speaking of Centre, more and more elected and party officials are demanding that the entire party board resign over the election result. There seems to be three groups who are demanding a change in course, and one of these groups demands joining the conservative bloc under Kristersson but also remain open for cooperation with all parties (including SD and V). Not likely to succeed but interesting to see that current.
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« Reply #358 on: September 27, 2022, 04:09:03 PM »

Today the new Riksdag formally opened and those elected this year have now taken their seats. Yesterday, however, was the formal vote on Speaker and the three deputy speakers.


Andreas Norlèn (M) was re-elected as Speaker of the Riksdag and Kenneth Forslund (S) was elected as first deputy speaker by voice vote and we quickly moved on.

The rules of the Riksdag say that candidates for Speaker or deputy speaker must have a majority in favor of them in the first two rounds, and only in subsequent rounds can a candidate be elected by plurality. Since two members of the Riksdag were absent (347 of 349 were present), this meant that the threshold for a majority dropped from 175 to 174. Voting is secret, and you physically write someone's name on paper and then deposit the ballot in the box.

Theoretically, with 176 seats for the conservative bloc, Julia Kronlid (SD) should easily have been elected on the first vote. However, she only received 173 votes in the first round, meaning three votes from the conservative bloc defected. However, on the second ballot, she got a majority of 174 and was thus elected second deputy speaker. There were 126 abstentions and 47 voted for her Green opponent, Janine Alm Ericson.

Then the vote for third deputy speaker also had some pointless drama. The conservative bloc kept the seat open for other parties, just as the first deputy speaker post was seceded to the Social Democrats. This time, there was a fight between Centre and the Left Party. It took three rounds of voting before Kerstin Lundgren (C) was elected here.

So the final balance of the Speaker and three deputies is: M, S, SD, and C.



Speaking of Centre, more and more elected and party officials are demanding that the entire party board resign over the election result. There seems to be three groups who are demanding a change in course, and one of these groups demands joining the conservative bloc under Kristersson but also remain open for cooperation with all parties (including SD and V). Not likely to succeed but interesting to see that current.

I love how you fail to mention S violated the tradition that the 4 largest parties gets the seats, too busy brown-nosing Center.
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« Reply #359 on: September 28, 2022, 11:47:06 AM »

I love how you fail to mention S violated the tradition that the 4 largest parties gets the seats, too busy brown-nosing Center.

It's quite clear that all of the parties are willing to ignore that tradition whenever it suits them. All of them have in at least one vote for Speaker and deputy speakers voted against that precedent once in 2018 or 2022.

Since the election of Speaker and deputy speakers are done by secret ballot we also don't know if it was Social Democrats who helped the Centre Party win against the Left Party. Their official position was neutral.

It might as well have been a number of centre-right MP:s who preferred the Centre Party candidate and lend her their votes, another theory is that it was actually a number of Sweden Democrats who voted for her to punish the Left Party for them breaking the tradition 4 years ago and getting their candidate elected instead of Björn Söder.
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« Reply #360 on: September 28, 2022, 02:24:48 PM »

Any updates on the talks between M, SD, KD and L?

Unfortunately not many, as the negotiations are being conducted with great secrecy.

There are unofficial reports that the conservative bloc quickly reached consensus on immigration and criminal policies, but those were always the easiest lift. Back in May 2021, the four parties agreed to seven points regarding migration policy, and SD said this was acceptable as "a minimum":

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  • Limit the new grounds for residence permits on humanitarian grounds.
  • Legislate on requirements for knowledge of Swedish and social studies for a permanent residence permit.
  • The exceptions to the requirements for a permanent residence permit must be limited.
  • Tightening requirements for support in the case of family members immigrating with regard to alternative protection needs.
  • The exceptions to the support requirement for family immigration must be limited.
  • Other criteria for relative immigration must be limited.
  • Limit the deadline for the immigration of relatives of quota refugees.

Now they are reportedly moving onto the budget negotiations, which are probably the most divisive debates. M and L want to slash the elevated unemployment benefits put in place during the pandemic, SD is opposed. The parties also disagree on cutting other benefits, which benefits and by how much are a mix-and-match game amongst the four parties. SD and M want to slash foreign aid, KD and L want the current levels to stay. Tax policy and housing policy will also be divisive points. However, they probably will agree on scrapping plans for new high-speed trains through Sweden, and instead maintain current investments into existing rail infrastructure.

But otherwise, can't really say much.


It will also be interesting to see if SD returns to their roots as a viciously anti-union party that wants a wholesale repeal of the LAS and MBL; they have successfully hidden this for most of the past 8 years but occasionally let the facade slip as we saw with the November 2019 budget vote. It is a common misconception both inside and outside of Sweden that SD is just S-with-fewer-immigrants, but for most of its history, SD has hated the unions just as much as the Social Democrats.

In other news:

- Andersson has reached out to Kristersson and informed him that S would be open to voting for a Moderate for Speaker of the Riksdag, arguing that the Speaker should have broad consensus and "it is a question of Sweden's image in the world". Dunno how that will play out, and either way I think Norlen will continue as Speaker for another 4 years as he earned a lot of respect over the past 4 years for being a no-nonsense and impartial Speaker. The Greens are also open for this, but no word from V yet.

- V and Mp reported that they saw record numbers of new members since the election, with V gaining 3,000 net new members and Mp 2,000 net new members. V expects their dues-paying membership to exceed 30,000 well before the year-end.

- Aftonbladet has published a very informative interactive guide to the election "So Voted Sweden", which breakdowns where SD has its strongholds, where it gained the most, where C lost the most and why, and also focuses on smaller parties like Nyans. The page works very well with the Chrome Translate extension if you cannot read Swedish (recommend desktop instead of mobile): https://www.aftonbladet.se/valresultat2022/sa-rostade-sverige/

What are tax policy views?  Are parties for cutting income rates or just more tax credits for those below certain income, or perhaps raising threshold in which federal 20% rate kicks in?  How about housing, is that a huge issue there and what are party views.
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« Reply #361 on: October 12, 2022, 08:30:57 AM »

Today Kristersson has informed both the Speaker and the media that negotiations for a new government have gone smoothly and he requests just a short extension of a few days to put on the finishing touches.
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« Reply #362 on: October 13, 2022, 08:43:54 AM »
« Edited: October 13, 2022, 09:32:03 AM by Clarko95 📚💰📈 »

Kristersson has requested a Prime Ministerial vote on Monday. There still has not been an official announcement that the conservative bloc has fully concluded negotiations. Maybe it will come this evening or tomorrow or over the weekend, maybe we will hit Monday with many questions still unanswered.

The Liberals this morning said they would not promise to vote for Kristersson for PM, considering negotiations are still underway.
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« Reply #363 on: October 14, 2022, 04:44:40 AM »
« Edited: October 16, 2022, 02:30:27 PM by Clarko95 📚💰📈 »

Annnnnnd we have an agreement. Details still forthcoming but here is what I have so far:

It is called the "Tidö Agreement" because it was negotiated at Tidö Castle outside Stockholm. Looks like L has completely caved to SD in the end. The government will be M + KD + L, with SD as a support party

  • The increased A-kassa unemployment benefits that were instituted during the pandemic will stay
  • Nuclear power will be expanded, with up to 400 billion SEK in government financing guarantees
  • Increased requirements for citizenship.
  • The number of quota refugees is to be reduced from 6,400 last year to 900
  • The right to asylum must be protected, but also limited in relation to today
  • Sweden's legislation for receiving asylum must be adapted so as not to be more generous than is the obligation according to EU law.
  • Strongly reduced labor immigration
  • Investigation into how voluntary return migration can be encouraged.
  • There should be an investigation which must analyze the conditions for reintroducing the possibility of deporting foreigners who show a lack of character, such as a lack of compliance with the rules such as crime, prostitution, abuse and participation in violent organizations
  • A national census will take place
  • The energy policy goal is changed from 100 percent "renewable" to 100 percent fossil-free
  • An investigation into the restart of Ringhals 1 and 2 will be carried out quickly
  • KD gets through its points on healthcare, which include an investigation on the nationalization of the healthcare system from the regions, expanding primary care, investigating the inclusion of dental care, special investments in cancer and childhood cancer care, including aftercare and rehabilitation, and a plan about childbirth standards and services
  • A new independent school law is to be introduced
  • Teaching time must be increased and the school's governing documents (curricula, course plans and subject plans) reformed and given increased focus on learning, skills and factual and subject knowledge
  • A knowledge-focused grading system is introduced to stop problems with grade inflation
  • Profit distribution must not occur in the first years after a school is started or bought by a new owner.
  • Major subsidy reform with, among other things allowance ceiling and activity requirements for those living on welfare.
  • The tax on work is reduced with a focus on low and middle income earners.
  • Reduced tax on pensions and savings
  • The independence of the public service media must remain and its long-term funding maintained
  • Measures are taken to reduce the political control of cultural content.
  • Cutting the corporate income tax
  • Modify the so-called 3:12 rules to favor investors regarding dividends
  • Favorable tax treatment of employee stock options


Overall a marked shift to the right but relatively tame. SD gets what it wanted on immigration, while L completely caved. In turn, L gets its way on education and media. KD gets its healthcare proposals, M gets tax cuts. L and KD maintain the current levels of foreign aid. M, SD, and KD get their crime proposals. Defense policy is unanimous.

Of course, many of these are agreements in principle and the devil is always in the details. There are many proposals for parliamentary investigations into pet issues, but an investigation does not automatically mean a party gets an actual law through.

It will be interesting to see how the Liberal voter base reacts to this. Basically their behavior over the past few years has shown they cannot be trusted in what they say, and they always cave in the end. It will also be interesting to see if the parliamentary group accepts this; this is a major concession to SD and just a few weeks ago, three of their members defected in an anonymous vote and they only need two to defeat Kristersson on Monday. They basically agreed to sell out entirely on SD influence, immigration & refugees, and even welfare cuts. And what do they get in return? Some scraps on education and media.
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« Reply #364 on: October 14, 2022, 05:16:29 AM »
« Edited: October 14, 2022, 12:01:17 PM by Clarko95 📚💰📈 »

But also passing big tax cuts in an inflationary environment combined with big energy subsidies is uhhhhh not a very good idea? And if the Riksbank has to jack up interest rates in response then that could really f-k over the economy and especially the housing market which would NOT go over well with M's voter base.

Getting strong 1991 vibes from this tbh
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« Reply #365 on: October 14, 2022, 05:35:17 AM »

Hadn't L and SD already come to an agreement on migration even before the election? I was under the impression there wasn't much trouble on that issue.
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« Reply #366 on: October 14, 2022, 05:44:17 AM »

But also passing big tax cuts in an inflationary environment is uhhhhh not a very good idea? And if the Riksbank has to jack up interest rates in response then that could really f-k over the economy and especially the housing market which would NOT go over well with M's voter base.

Getting strong 1991 vibes from this tbh

It depends on the details. If you have income tax cuts but no change in indirect taxes, like VAT for example, there could some fiscal balance as normal VAT rates+inflation could generate a big return. But, it's literally giving with one hand and taking with the other.
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« Reply #367 on: October 14, 2022, 08:04:03 AM »


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« Reply #368 on: October 14, 2022, 08:04:35 AM »
« Edited: October 14, 2022, 08:27:29 AM by Clarko95 📚💰📈 »

Expressen reports one Liberal MP, Anna Starbrink, is already a no. They can only afford two defections otherwise there would be a majority against the agreement.


Jan Jönsson, the leader of the Liberals in the Stockholm Regional parliament, has also spoken out against it.
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« Reply #369 on: October 14, 2022, 08:18:43 AM »

Aftonbladet reports that several Liberal members of parliament are protesting the agreement with the Sweden Democrats.

Magdalena Andersson is opening up for a collaboration:

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It is clear that the Liberals were very tormented. The question that will be asked is whether it is time for a name change in the Liberals. because it is not liberal politics that will be pursued. It is Jimmie Åkesson who holds the leash."
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« Reply #370 on: October 14, 2022, 08:21:07 AM »

"It is clear that the Liberals were very tormented. The question that will be asked is whether it is time for a name change in the Liberals. because it is not liberal politics that will be pursued. It is Jimmie Åkesson who holds the leash."



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« Reply #371 on: October 14, 2022, 08:27:32 AM »

Aftonbladet reports that several Liberal members of parliament are protesting the agreement with the Sweden Democrats.

Magdalena Andersson is opening up for a collaboration:

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"My message to them is that my door is open. I am prepared to enter into cooperation with all good forces that want Sweden to become more like Sweden. This also applies to Liberals, she says and continues:

It is clear that the Liberals were very tormented. The question that will be asked is whether it is time for a name change in the Liberals. because it is not liberal politics that will be pursued. It is Jimmie Åkesson who holds the leash."
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« Reply #372 on: October 14, 2022, 09:02:44 AM »
« Edited: October 15, 2022, 08:55:49 AM by Clarko95 📚💰📈 »

By the way, there will be a shift of power in Region Stockholm for the first time since 2006. S, Mp, and C have reached an agreement and have reached a separate cooperation agreement with V.

Together they will have 83 seats out of 149, 8 more than is needed for a majority.

Tragically, S+V fell short of a majority together by 7 seats, and an S+V+Mp coalition was short just 1 seat.


From the government agreement between S+Mp+C:

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  • No increase in the county council tax
  • No increase in the public transit ticket fees; reduce prices for certain groups
  • Reduce the use of consultants, reduce administration, and slow down the unsustainable cost development in the healthcare selection market
  • Expanded primary care will be the focus of the new center coalition
  • A holistic approach must be taken regarding the emergency hospitals' mission and level of compensation to achieve better working methods, safer care for patients and a simplified follow-up
  • The funding framework for emergency hospitals must be strengthened
  • The choice of care within the specialized outpatient care must be reviewed especially as this care shows major shortcomings in unequal distribution, cohesion for the patient and, at the very least, cost development
  • Primary care's share of the healthcare budget must increase during the mandate period with the aim of reaching a quarter in 2030. The resources must go to strengthening the healthcare centres
  • A limit of 1,100 residents per doctor

The Social Democrats went to the polls to give the emergency hospitals a substantial increase of three billion SEK. Aida Hadzialic cannot now answer whether that promise is true, since it was not included in the above agreement, but says they are working in that direction.

And from the 44-point cooperation agreement with V:
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  • Financial investments in emergency hospitals. Deficits must be covered and cutbacks stopped. The financing must take account of price and wage increases
  • Shortening of working hours for midwives and assistant nurses in maternity care must be introduced
  • A commission for the health care staff's working environment must be appointed
  • Network doctors' financial advantages are abolished
  • No new private care choices must be introduced during the mandate period
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Sir Mohamed
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« Reply #373 on: October 14, 2022, 09:24:52 AM »

I find it kind of hilarious that the party coming in 3rd now is about the win the premiership while the woman who came in a clear 1st will lose that position. And despite having gained votes for her party. Why is there not some form of grand coalition to keep SDs out of power?

Seems like a lot of standard conservative/center-right parties in Europe have become useful idiots for the far-right. I don't want to make parallels to the Third Reich here, but back then the conservatives also thought they could control the extreme right.
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« Reply #374 on: October 14, 2022, 09:36:34 AM »

Quote from: Magdalena Andersson
It is clear that the Liberals were very tormented. The question that will be asked is whether it is time for a name change in the Liberals. because it is not liberal politics that will be pursued. It is Jimmie Åkesson who holds the leash.

I see that the new government has started laying out its far-right, ultra-conservative, über-reactionary policies:

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