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« Reply #350 on: September 21, 2022, 03:18:39 PM »

Results for the parliamentary election are now finalized. Which means we also know how the small parties out-side of parliament did.

Top-ten looked like this:

1. Partiet Nyans (PNy) Nuance Party - 28 352 - 0,44%
2. Alternativ för Sverige (AfS) Alternative for Sweden - 16 646 - 0,26%
3. Medborgerlig samling (Med) Citizens' Coalition - 12 882 - 0,20%
4. Piratpartiet (PP) Pirate Party - 9 135 - 0,14%
5. Partiet MoD (MD) Party MoD "Bravery"1 - 6 077 - 0,09%
6. Kristna Värdepartiet (KrVP) Christian Values Party - 5 983 - 0,09%
7. Knapptryckarna (Kn) The Button Pushers2 - 5 493 - 0,08%
8. Feministiskt initiativ (FI) Feminist Initiative - 3 157 - 0,05%
9. Landsbygdspartiet Oberoende (LPO) Independent Countryside Party - 2 215 - 0,03
10. Direktdemokraterna (DD) Direct Democracy - 1 755 - 0,03%

The big thing people here are talking about is Nuance. They polled very well in some muslim and immigrant neighbourhoods in big cities and considering how close the election turned out to be, some people are saying that the Social Democrats lost power due to Nuance taking votes from them and the Left Party.

It's also interesting to note just how terrible Feminist Initiative did when you consider the party was close to enter parliament just 8 years ago and was the biggest of the small parties just 4 years ago. I don't think the party will survive much longer.


1They're Covid conspiracy theorists who are against vaccinations and Covid restrictions

2They're a party that supports some sort of Direct Democracy. They're just in parliament to press the buttons on what the people wants.


Not really surprising, the surprising part was that it did so well last election with its politics being so well represented in parliament.
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« Reply #351 on: September 21, 2022, 04:51:11 PM »

If you're not going to engage with what I am actually saying but instead willfully misconstrue my point then please stop responding to me, thanks
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« Reply #352 on: September 21, 2022, 06:49:35 PM »

Jumping in with my patented proportional with no threshold numbers:

Sweden 2022:

S: 106 seats (-1)
SD: 72 seats (-1)
M: 67 seats (-1)
V: 24 seats (+/- 0)
C: 23 seats (-1)
KD: 19 seats (+/- 0)
MP: 18 seats (+/- 0)
L: 16 seats (+/- 0)
N: 2 seats (+2)
AfS: 1 seat (+1)
MED: 1 seat (+1)

N [1.5275 quotas] beats P [0.4922 quotas] for the last seat by 655 votes.

Nyans takes 2 seats from the left while the right loses 2 seats, one each to AfS and MED. Any right government would rely on support from one of the 2 minor right wing parties, likely MED but even then it's only a 1 seat majority. Quite a mess.

Clarko, any idea what government would form here? It's even more of a mess than the current situation.
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« Reply #353 on: September 22, 2022, 01:41:30 PM »

Any updates on the talks between M, SD, KD and L?
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« Reply #354 on: September 22, 2022, 03:25:32 PM »
« Edited: September 23, 2022, 04:42:24 AM by Clarko95 📚💰📈 »

Any updates on the talks between M, SD, KD and L?

Unfortunately not many, as the negotiations are being conducted with great secrecy.

There are unofficial reports that the conservative bloc quickly reached consensus on immigration and criminal policies, but those were always the easiest lift. Back in May 2021, the four parties agreed to seven points regarding migration policy, and SD said this was acceptable as "a minimum":

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  • Limit the new grounds for residence permits on humanitarian grounds.
  • Legislate on requirements for knowledge of Swedish and social studies for a permanent residence permit.
  • The exceptions to the requirements for a permanent residence permit must be limited.
  • Tightening requirements for support in the case of family members immigrating with regard to alternative protection needs.
  • The exceptions to the support requirement for family immigration must be limited.
  • Other criteria for relative immigration must be limited.
  • Limit the deadline for the immigration of relatives of quota refugees.

Now they are reportedly moving onto the budget negotiations, which are probably the most divisive debates. M and L want to slash the elevated unemployment benefits put in place during the pandemic, SD is opposed. The parties also disagree on cutting other benefits, which benefits and by how much are a mix-and-match game amongst the four parties. SD and M want to slash foreign aid, KD and L want the current levels to stay. Tax policy and housing policy will also be divisive points. However, they probably will agree on scrapping plans for new high-speed trains through Sweden, and instead maintain current investments into existing rail infrastructure.

But otherwise, can't really say much.


It will also be interesting to see if SD returns to their roots as a viciously anti-union party that wants a wholesale repeal of the LAS and MBL; they have successfully hidden this for most of the past 8 years but occasionally let the facade slip as we saw with the November 2019 budget vote. It is a common misconception both inside and outside of Sweden that SD is just S-with-fewer-immigrants, but for most of its history, SD has hated the unions just as much as the Social Democrats.

In other news:

- Andersson has reached out to Kristersson and informed him that S would be open to voting for a Moderate for Speaker of the Riksdag, arguing that the Speaker should have broad consensus and "it is a question of Sweden's image in the world". Dunno how that will play out, and either way I think Norlen will continue as Speaker for another 4 years as he earned a lot of respect over the past 4 years for being a no-nonsense and impartial Speaker. The Greens are also open for this, but no word from V yet.

- V and Mp reported that they saw record numbers of new members since the election, with V gaining 3,000 net new members and Mp 2,000 net new members. V expects their dues-paying membership to exceed 30,000 well before the year-end.

- Aftonbladet has published a very informative interactive guide to the election "So Voted Sweden", which breakdowns where SD has its strongholds, where it gained the most, where C lost the most and why, and also focuses on smaller parties like Nyans. The page works very well with the Chrome Translate extension if you cannot read Swedish (recommend desktop instead of mobile): https://www.aftonbladet.se/valresultat2022/sa-rostade-sverige/
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« Reply #355 on: September 22, 2022, 04:21:41 PM »

What is current swedish immigration policy at present ?
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« Reply #356 on: September 23, 2022, 01:10:07 AM »

What is current swedish immigration policy at present ?

Immigration? Relatively similar to other countries, with the usual EU exceptions.

Migration? lol
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« Reply #357 on: September 25, 2022, 11:21:01 AM »

Dunno how that will play out, and either way I think Norlen will continue as Speaker for another 4 years as he earned a lot of respect over the past 4 years for being a no-nonsense and impartial Speaker.

And just like that, the conservative bloc has announced they have agreed on keeping him on as Speaker for another 4 years. Will be interesting to see how S and Mp vote on him, given their previous statements, because S did indeed nominate their own candidate for Speaker (Kenneth Forslund) without revoking their offer for a Speaker with broad consensus.

However, it looks like they also agreed to SD's Julia Kronlid as second vice-Speaker (there are three vice-Speakers, which is interesting). This is surprising, because she is known for her outspoken anti-abortion views (which are an anathema for M and L) and believes that creationism should be taught as a valid theory in schools. Yet they have agreed to voting for her.

They also agreed that they will not nominate their own candidates for first vice-Speaker and third vice-Speaker to allow the three largest parties to be equally represented here (I'm assuming this means that S will get one of these seats).

The parties have also agreed on the distribution of committee chair positions. SD gets 8 out of a total of 16 presidium positions. M gets 4, the Christian Democrats 2, and the Liberals get 2 as well.
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« Reply #358 on: September 27, 2022, 03:39:03 PM »

Today the new Riksdag formally opened and those elected this year have now taken their seats. Yesterday, however, was the formal vote on Speaker and the three deputy speakers.


Andreas Norlèn (M) was re-elected as Speaker of the Riksdag and Kenneth Forslund (S) was elected as first deputy speaker by voice vote and we quickly moved on.

The rules of the Riksdag say that candidates for Speaker or deputy speaker must have a majority in favor of them in the first two rounds, and only in subsequent rounds can a candidate be elected by plurality. Since two members of the Riksdag were absent (347 of 349 were present), this meant that the threshold for a majority dropped from 175 to 174. Voting is secret, and you physically write someone's name on paper and then deposit the ballot in the box.

Theoretically, with 176 seats for the conservative bloc, Julia Kronlid (SD) should easily have been elected on the first vote. However, she only received 173 votes in the first round, meaning three votes from the conservative bloc defected. However, on the second ballot, she got a majority of 174 and was thus elected second deputy speaker. There were 126 abstentions and 47 voted for her Green opponent, Janine Alm Ericson.

Then the vote for third deputy speaker also had some pointless drama. The conservative bloc kept the seat open for other parties, just as the first deputy speaker post was seceded to the Social Democrats. This time, there was a fight between Centre and the Left Party. It took three rounds of voting before Kerstin Lundgren (C) was elected here.

So the final balance of the Speaker and three deputies is: M, S, SD, and C.



Speaking of Centre, more and more elected and party officials are demanding that the entire party board resign over the election result. There seems to be three groups who are demanding a change in course, and one of these groups demands joining the conservative bloc under Kristersson but also remain open for cooperation with all parties (including SD and V). Not likely to succeed but interesting to see that current.
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« Reply #359 on: September 27, 2022, 04:09:03 PM »

Today the new Riksdag formally opened and those elected this year have now taken their seats. Yesterday, however, was the formal vote on Speaker and the three deputy speakers.


Andreas Norlèn (M) was re-elected as Speaker of the Riksdag and Kenneth Forslund (S) was elected as first deputy speaker by voice vote and we quickly moved on.

The rules of the Riksdag say that candidates for Speaker or deputy speaker must have a majority in favor of them in the first two rounds, and only in subsequent rounds can a candidate be elected by plurality. Since two members of the Riksdag were absent (347 of 349 were present), this meant that the threshold for a majority dropped from 175 to 174. Voting is secret, and you physically write someone's name on paper and then deposit the ballot in the box.

Theoretically, with 176 seats for the conservative bloc, Julia Kronlid (SD) should easily have been elected on the first vote. However, she only received 173 votes in the first round, meaning three votes from the conservative bloc defected. However, on the second ballot, she got a majority of 174 and was thus elected second deputy speaker. There were 126 abstentions and 47 voted for her Green opponent, Janine Alm Ericson.

Then the vote for third deputy speaker also had some pointless drama. The conservative bloc kept the seat open for other parties, just as the first deputy speaker post was seceded to the Social Democrats. This time, there was a fight between Centre and the Left Party. It took three rounds of voting before Kerstin Lundgren (C) was elected here.

So the final balance of the Speaker and three deputies is: M, S, SD, and C.



Speaking of Centre, more and more elected and party officials are demanding that the entire party board resign over the election result. There seems to be three groups who are demanding a change in course, and one of these groups demands joining the conservative bloc under Kristersson but also remain open for cooperation with all parties (including SD and V). Not likely to succeed but interesting to see that current.

I love how you fail to mention S violated the tradition that the 4 largest parties gets the seats, too busy brown-nosing Center.
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« Reply #360 on: September 28, 2022, 11:47:06 AM »

I love how you fail to mention S violated the tradition that the 4 largest parties gets the seats, too busy brown-nosing Center.

It's quite clear that all of the parties are willing to ignore that tradition whenever it suits them. All of them have in at least one vote for Speaker and deputy speakers voted against that precedent once in 2018 or 2022.

Since the election of Speaker and deputy speakers are done by secret ballot we also don't know if it was Social Democrats who helped the Centre Party win against the Left Party. Their official position was neutral.

It might as well have been a number of centre-right MP:s who preferred the Centre Party candidate and lend her their votes, another theory is that it was actually a number of Sweden Democrats who voted for her to punish the Left Party for them breaking the tradition 4 years ago and getting their candidate elected instead of Björn Söder.
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« Reply #361 on: September 28, 2022, 02:24:48 PM »

Any updates on the talks between M, SD, KD and L?

Unfortunately not many, as the negotiations are being conducted with great secrecy.

There are unofficial reports that the conservative bloc quickly reached consensus on immigration and criminal policies, but those were always the easiest lift. Back in May 2021, the four parties agreed to seven points regarding migration policy, and SD said this was acceptable as "a minimum":

Quote
  • Limit the new grounds for residence permits on humanitarian grounds.
  • Legislate on requirements for knowledge of Swedish and social studies for a permanent residence permit.
  • The exceptions to the requirements for a permanent residence permit must be limited.
  • Tightening requirements for support in the case of family members immigrating with regard to alternative protection needs.
  • The exceptions to the support requirement for family immigration must be limited.
  • Other criteria for relative immigration must be limited.
  • Limit the deadline for the immigration of relatives of quota refugees.

Now they are reportedly moving onto the budget negotiations, which are probably the most divisive debates. M and L want to slash the elevated unemployment benefits put in place during the pandemic, SD is opposed. The parties also disagree on cutting other benefits, which benefits and by how much are a mix-and-match game amongst the four parties. SD and M want to slash foreign aid, KD and L want the current levels to stay. Tax policy and housing policy will also be divisive points. However, they probably will agree on scrapping plans for new high-speed trains through Sweden, and instead maintain current investments into existing rail infrastructure.

But otherwise, can't really say much.


It will also be interesting to see if SD returns to their roots as a viciously anti-union party that wants a wholesale repeal of the LAS and MBL; they have successfully hidden this for most of the past 8 years but occasionally let the facade slip as we saw with the November 2019 budget vote. It is a common misconception both inside and outside of Sweden that SD is just S-with-fewer-immigrants, but for most of its history, SD has hated the unions just as much as the Social Democrats.

In other news:

- Andersson has reached out to Kristersson and informed him that S would be open to voting for a Moderate for Speaker of the Riksdag, arguing that the Speaker should have broad consensus and "it is a question of Sweden's image in the world". Dunno how that will play out, and either way I think Norlen will continue as Speaker for another 4 years as he earned a lot of respect over the past 4 years for being a no-nonsense and impartial Speaker. The Greens are also open for this, but no word from V yet.

- V and Mp reported that they saw record numbers of new members since the election, with V gaining 3,000 net new members and Mp 2,000 net new members. V expects their dues-paying membership to exceed 30,000 well before the year-end.

- Aftonbladet has published a very informative interactive guide to the election "So Voted Sweden", which breakdowns where SD has its strongholds, where it gained the most, where C lost the most and why, and also focuses on smaller parties like Nyans. The page works very well with the Chrome Translate extension if you cannot read Swedish (recommend desktop instead of mobile): https://www.aftonbladet.se/valresultat2022/sa-rostade-sverige/

What are tax policy views?  Are parties for cutting income rates or just more tax credits for those below certain income, or perhaps raising threshold in which federal 20% rate kicks in?  How about housing, is that a huge issue there and what are party views.
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