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« Reply #1725 on: March 28, 2004, 07:46:21 pm »
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I don't like the moderates, although I suppose I like Lieberman. As long as fiscal responsibility, gun control, support for gay marriage, and a lack of compassion for the Bible Belters or the elderly I will lean towards that candidate (Dean fits this pretty well).
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« Reply #1726 on: March 28, 2004, 07:48:44 pm »

Clinton won two times being considered a "moderate". Whens the last time a person who spent any time in office as a senator became President?
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« Reply #1727 on: March 28, 2004, 07:49:38 pm »

Clinton won two times being considered a "moderate". Whens the last time a person who spent any time in office as a senator became President?

Kennedy I think
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« Reply #1728 on: March 28, 2004, 07:50:36 pm »

Clinton won two times being considered a "moderate". Whens the last time a person who spent any time in office as a senator became President?

Kennedy I think

Yes Kennedy
LBJ and Ford were congressmen
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« Reply #1729 on: March 28, 2004, 07:50:53 pm »

He was a Senator. But he was out a lot of that tenure for illness and did not vote very much on bills. Dukakis Jr. has a long record. Democrats wanted a Clinton and have ended up with a Dukakis.
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« Reply #1730 on: March 28, 2004, 07:51:57 pm »

He was a Senator. But he was out a lot of that tenure for illness and did not vote very much on bills. Dukakis Jr. has a long record. Democrats wanted a Clinton and have ended up with a Dukakis.


yep Sad

Where's Edwards when you need him?
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« Reply #1731 on: March 28, 2004, 07:53:48 pm »

Edwards, though possibly a excellent candidate in the future, is a political creampuff when put up against Bush right now. Joe Liberman or Dean would have been a better choice.
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« Reply #1732 on: March 28, 2004, 07:55:42 pm »

I know, I know.  But I think it will give him a few votes if he can appear to be more regional than Bush.

i think your predictions are dead on for now...except Louisana, which would give us the same result as 2000 (I hope)

Kerry will never win in Colorado.
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« Reply #1733 on: March 28, 2004, 07:56:59 pm »

Super flip flop Mi and Wi to Republican and put Minn as Democrat and thats where I about stand right now.
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« Reply #1734 on: March 28, 2004, 08:03:35 pm »


I think it has a chance to be up for grabs depending on how the next 8 months go, you don't.  We differ!
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« Reply #1735 on: March 28, 2004, 08:12:16 pm »
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Kerry is the 11th most liberal senator... last year he was the most liberal because he wasnt there a whole lot...but as Ive said before Kerry's liberalism is over played... get  this weeks' econamist it got great picece on Kerry...  
No he isnít on trade, on government spending, on taxation, he is very much to Kerry's left (however he is a friend of Kerry's and now a big supporter)...  


Kerry is the most liberal senate member.
Gephardt is in the center-left among house members.

Economically Gephardt is well to the left of Kerry, Kerry is a senator who supported socail secuirty refrom under Clinton and has on a number of occasions picked fights with organised labour... the only issue where Gephardt is to the right of Kerry is possibly the war in iraq but on foreign policy more generally they are pretty similar...  
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« Reply #1736 on: March 29, 2004, 05:58:50 am »

LBJ was Senate Majority leader in the '50's.
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« Reply #1737 on: March 29, 2004, 07:21:28 am »

Kerry is from Colorado.
But seriously: He might win Colorado, but in that case he'd probably tick off a number of Blue states from that map first. It's unlikely, but possible.
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« Reply #1738 on: March 29, 2004, 07:37:07 am »

Kerry is from Colorado.
But seriously: He might win Colorado, but in that case he'd probably tick off a number of Blue states from that map first. It's unlikely, but possible.
He is not 'from' Colorado
He was merely born there and spent there the first few weeks of his life.
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« Reply #1739 on: March 29, 2004, 07:41:49 am »

I didn't know how long exactly he lived there, but as I'd never seen the fact he's born in Denver mentioned in any articles I assumed it was probably pretty short. Kinda like Eisenhower bein a "Texan".
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« Reply #1740 on: March 29, 2004, 07:46:00 am »

From Kerry's site:

John Kerry was born on December 11, 1943 at Fitzsimons Military Hospital in Denver, Colorado, where his father, Richard, who had volunteered to fly DC-3's in the Army Air Corps in World War II, was recovering from a bout with tuberculosis. Not long after Sen. Kerry's birth, his family returned home to Massachusetts
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« Reply #1741 on: March 29, 2004, 09:12:26 am »

I think in geneology I think if you are born on a military base you are considered to still be from the state your family was from but I'm not sure I'll have to check.
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« Reply #1742 on: March 29, 2004, 12:03:28 pm »

Bush escapes with Colorado, and Kerry narrowly grabs Pennsylvania.  The "T" in Penn might be strong-Bush, but I do not see Pittsburgh and Philly showing Bush any support.
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« Reply #1743 on: March 29, 2004, 12:54:09 pm »

Bush escapes with Colorado, and Kerry narrowly grabs Pennsylvania.  The "T" in Penn might be strong-Bush, but I do not see Pittsburgh and Philly showing Bush any support.

lol on PA... but with Owens and the broad support he enjoys in CO Bush will win there very solidly there, however Salazar will probably win the open senate seat IMHO...  
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« Reply #1744 on: March 30, 2004, 12:11:06 am »

I see striking similarities to the 1916 election and this current election. Any thoughts?
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« Reply #1745 on: March 30, 2004, 06:58:32 am »

You mean Bush won with 40 percent of the vote because the Dems had split into two equal camps and will be reelected because he kept the US out of the War on Terrorism? Or what? Sorry, I can't follow you...
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« Reply #1746 on: March 30, 2004, 09:30:41 am »

Sorry I mean 1864.
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« Reply #1747 on: March 30, 2004, 11:56:17 am »

LBJ was Senate Majority leader in the '50's.

yes he was, he ran against Kennedy for the nomination but lost out, him and a few others ran huge smear campaigns against Kennedy and told of how he was too young and inexperience and would be terrible as President.
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« Reply #1748 on: March 30, 2004, 12:03:54 pm »

Hmmm.  1864.  I might be getting too political but I don't actually think that Bush and Lincoln fall in the same category.  I think that Lincoln would not have won in the south but considering they were at the time waging a war against the North they opted not to vote at all.  Despite the civil war it was a surprisingly close election.  Thank God Lincoln won.
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« Reply #1749 on: March 30, 2004, 12:44:24 pm »

I would have voted for McClellan.
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