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« Reply #300 on: December 30, 2003, 12:47:20 pm »

So southern whites who vote for Bush are voting for a race- baiter and gay-basher?  Oh brother.....
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« Reply #301 on: December 30, 2003, 12:55:31 pm »

So southern whites who vote for Bush are voting for a race- baiter and gay-basher?  Oh brother.....
I don't understand where you got that statement from.
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« Reply #302 on: December 30, 2003, 12:56:38 pm »

Read realpoilitic's last post.
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« Reply #303 on: December 30, 2003, 12:57:41 pm »

me either, we were discussing how the south is culturally conservative.  I see that as beig hard to argue with, they don't call it the "bible belt" for nothing.
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« Reply #304 on: December 30, 2003, 12:58:50 pm »

I did.  He said that there are race-baiters and gay-bashers in the UK also.
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« Reply #305 on: December 30, 2003, 12:59:39 pm »
« Edited: December 30, 2003, 01:05:44 pm by Realpolitik »

I never said that Bush is either.
What I said was that the people who exploit predjudice in the Deep South(eg. Trent Lott) are similer to people like Powell and Tebbit.
I did NOT call Bush a race-baiter OR a gay-basher.
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« Reply #306 on: December 30, 2003, 01:05:24 pm »

I have been arguing that the South is cultural conservative and that's why they vote Republican - that that kind of cultural conservatism doesn't exist in Britain.  Realpolitic seemed to equate cultural conservatism in the South with "race-baiting" and "gay bashing" since he brought up those terms.  What do those two terms have to do with conservative?  I'm neither and the President I vote for is not either one of those.  Conservative yes.  Conservative does not equal race-baiting and gay - bashing.  
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« Reply #307 on: December 30, 2003, 01:06:10 pm »

Btw, shouldn't tossups always be equally distributed between the parties? I notice a lot of people mark states as tossups on their confidence maps, and then hand all or most of them to one party in the prediction map. That isn't really intelectually honest, is it?  
Tossups should not sbe equally distributed between the parties.  If the popular vote of the rest of the nation is 60-40%, why would you give 50% of hte tossups to each side?  Distribute the tossups like this:

If there are 250 Dem Ev's and 200 Republican Ev's, give 20% more of the remaining states to the Dems.

Please tell me if this is heard to understand.

Okay, I see your point. I think of tossups as states where the candidates are tied and thus they are hard to predict. Then I think they would most likely spread out equally. I don't reason like they would be affected by how other states vote. If the Dems carry New York resoundingly it won't help them win a close race in New Mexico, or whatever states you might pick.
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« Reply #308 on: December 30, 2003, 01:07:40 pm »

Oh we have some VERY socially conservative areas over here...
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« Reply #309 on: December 30, 2003, 01:09:55 pm »

Then why bring up "gay bashers" and race -baiters?  I don't see the connection with the cultural conservatism we were discussing.

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« Reply #310 on: December 30, 2003, 01:10:18 pm »

I am far from being an expert, but I did think that Arkansas was not part of the deep south. It seems to make sense looking at electoral maps, if you define deep south states as those who always vote the same way: Goldwater, Wallace and so on. Then you get a marked difference between those with DS voting patterns and those with other ones.
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« Reply #311 on: December 30, 2003, 01:11:32 pm »

I have never really considered Arkansas to be part of the deep South.
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« Reply #312 on: December 30, 2003, 01:14:45 pm »

I have never really considered Arkansas to be part of the deep South.

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« Reply #313 on: December 30, 2003, 01:15:58 pm »

Yeah!
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« Reply #314 on: December 30, 2003, 01:16:21 pm »

I have never really considered Arkansas to be part of the deep South.

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The unholiest alliance on the forum so far? Smiley
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« Reply #315 on: December 30, 2003, 01:19:45 pm »

very possible - hehe
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« Reply #316 on: December 30, 2003, 01:20:04 pm »

I would say...

Every forum has an incredibly long thread, and this is ours!  Yay!
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« Reply #317 on: December 30, 2003, 01:23:27 pm »

Aha... Smiley
...although I hear that Jmf and Migrendel might come to an agreement on something... Wink
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« Reply #318 on: December 30, 2003, 01:24:17 pm »

Aha... Smiley
...although I hear that Jmf and Migrendel might come to an agreement on something... Wink
Nah... Smiley Smiley
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« Reply #319 on: December 30, 2003, 01:26:07 pm »

I would say...

Every forum has an incredibly long thread, and this is ours!  Yay!

That is actually natural, since it is an ongoing discussion as predictions change and events unfold.
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« Reply #320 on: December 30, 2003, 01:27:05 pm »

Let's set a trap... something like "is sex with poodles always immoral"... and wait for John-mr_president to fight for the "yes" side...
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« Reply #321 on: December 30, 2003, 01:32:40 pm »

Let's set a trap... something like "is sex with poodles always immoral"... and wait for John-mr_president to fight for the "yes" side...

I thought they were on opposite sides of the political spectre (or maybe they're an entity of some sorts...Smiley). John actually asked us to stop talking about them "like that" on another thread, so maybe they will join forces! Smiley It is kind hard to understand them though.  

I think you could get jmf to post rather a lot on that subject if you got him mad enough (although there might be a limited number of bible quotes there...Smiley)
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« Reply #322 on: December 30, 2003, 01:34:15 pm »

John logged in last evening but didn't post.
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« Reply #323 on: December 30, 2003, 01:34:58 pm »

Does anyone here remember Democrat/Republican?
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« Reply #324 on: December 30, 2003, 01:37:07 pm »

Does anyone here remember Democrat/Republican?
I have read many of his posts.  He was playing around, he wasn't being serious.  but why did Leip let him post?  He was obviously a troll, delete his account.
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