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« Reply #22175 on: May 25, 2023, 01:37:25 AM »

Surprised that nobody has yet posted "Putin's Chef" comments from earlier today...

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Fresh off his claim of victory in capturing the Ukrainian city of Bakhmut, Russian mercenary boss Yevgeniy Prigozhin warned that Moscow’s brutal war could plunge Russia into turmoil similar to the 1917 revolution unless its detached, wealthy elite become more directly committed to the conflict.

In a lengthy interview with Konstantin Dolgov, a political operative and pro-war blogger, Prigozhin, the founder and leader of the Wagner mercenary group, also asserted that the war had backfired spectacularly by failing to “demilitarize” Ukraine, one of President Vladimir Putin’s stated aims of the invasion. He also called for totalitarian policies.

“We are in a situation where we can simply lose Russia,” Prigozhin said, using an expletive to hammer his point. “We must introduce martial law. We unfortunately … must announce new waves of mobilization; we must put everyone who is capable to work on increasing the production of ammunition,” he said. “Russia needs to live like North Korea for a few years, so to say, close the borders … and work hard.”

Citing public anger at the lavish lifestyles of Russia’s rich and powerful, Prigozhin warned their homes could be stormed by people with “pitchforks.” He singled out Ksenia Shoigu, the daughter of Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu, who was spotted vacationing in Dubai with her fiancé, Alexei Stolyarov, a fitness blogger.

“The children of the elite shut their traps at best, and some allow themselves a public, fat, carefree life,” Prigozhin said in the interview, which was released Wednesday on video. “This division might end as in 1917, with a revolution — when first the soldiers rise up, and then their loved ones follow.”


https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/05/24/yevgeniy-prigozhin-war-backfired-revolution/
Prigozhin seems literally one step away from shouting out: 炮打司令部. But I don't think he will actually do it. The Wagner unit is part of Putin's personal structure, not a unit of Limonov, Barkashov, Girkin & Kvachkov or other consistently anti-Putin (but still only in words) Russian fascists.

I think he says this so that Wagner's crimes are not considered Putin's crimes, and also because of the activation of movements like the RDK, so that the real opponents of Putin among the Ruscists come on stage and thereby expose themselves to the blows of state security services.
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« Reply #22176 on: May 25, 2023, 03:32:58 AM »

These are the people NOVA Green and Hindsight are cheering for btw. Even journalists from Vice and Bellingcat think twice about this.

Vice News: Anti-Putin Militias Celebrating Attacks on Russia Are Filled With Neo-Nazis

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Members of the Russian Volunteer Corps include a guy arrested for spreading the Christchurch Shooter’s Manifesto and the founder of a neo-Nazi death metal festival.
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Pictures of RDK celebrating in Belgorod flooded social media. In one, a Russian man named Aleksandr Skachkov stands next to a captured BTR-82A with the flag of the RDK unfurled next to him. On his chest is a patch depicting a white hooded Ku Klux Klansman wielding a gun. According to reporting from Bellingcat, Ukraine arrested Skachkov in 2020 during a raid on a group of people who were translating and selling the Christchurch Shooter’s manifesto.
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Michael Colborne, a journalist at Bellingcat and the author of From the Fires of War: Ukraine’s Azov Movement and the Global Far Right, said he put his head in his hands yesterday as people online started celebrating the attack on Belgorod. He recognized many of the men in the videos. “I knew right away who they were,” he said. “I don’t see what military or PR purpose putting these guys front and center does for Ukraine, because Russia knows who they are.”
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In addition to being part of the RDK, Levkin is also the founder of Asgardsrei, an annual black metal festival in Ukraine that serves as a networking event for neo-Nazis. VICE interviewed Levkin in 2019 and asked him if he was a national socialist. “Yes, sure!” He replied.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/3akdpy/anti-putin-militias-celebrating-attacks-on-russia-are-filled-with-neo-nazis
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« Reply #22177 on: May 25, 2023, 04:02:25 AM »

The lazy whataboutism towards Palestine and Iraq which more or less boils down to “well because the West did bad stuff Ukraine needs to suffer” has been one of the more cringe arguments coming from Putin enablers

Uhhhh Palestine STILL is ignored right now. And you see the opposite reasoning used to justify it. The “rules-based order” used to defend Ukraine simply doesn’t exist if it’s something that easily flip-flops depending single-handedly on “which side the west is more friends with”.
This isn’t necessarily wrong, but I think you know full well what people are usually doing when they say “What about Palestine?” in a conversation about Ukraine. The point is almost never that you should also support Palestine: it’s that you shouldn’t support Ukraine

The point is just that there is a clear difference on how Western propaganda applies “rules-based order” notions to define what are authoritarian and liberal nations and it’s not based on real values, but to protect the standing of global structures created on the back of slavery. The whiter the country, the more likely a “real victim” it becomes; the less white the more likely it becomes a “grey” conflict.

If the “white countries”, which strongly correlate with western countries, have consistently ignored or participated as the aggressors in regards conflicts involving the Global South, then what kind of moral higher ground do they think they have in pushing a position from the Global South in a conflict just because it’s happening to white people in Europe now?

If anything, I don’t see how a neutral stance in Ukraine by the Global South is any different from indifference in regards to Palestine, Iraq and other conflicts. No here one took any position of sanctioning Israel or the USA or stopping trade with them to make them pariah states and I see no reason to do that with Russia now. That is way more morally consistent and assertive position than the double standards you see from the West.

You actually hear this point come up much more incisively from South Africans much much more than Indians or Brazilians. Africans in general feel this global marginalization much more strongly.


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« Reply #22178 on: May 25, 2023, 04:15:40 AM »

These are the people NOVA Green and Hindsight are cheering for btw. Even journalists from Vice and Bellingcat think twice about this.

Vice News: Anti-Putin Militias Celebrating Attacks on Russia Are Filled With Neo-Nazis

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https://www.vice.com/en/article/3akdpy/anti-putin-militias-celebrating-attacks-on-russia-are-filled-with-neo-nazis
As far as I remember, about Claus Stauffenberg people are upset that his assassination attempt on Hitler failed, not that he was a Nazi colonel.
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« Reply #22179 on: May 25, 2023, 06:18:45 AM »

These are the people NOVA Green and Hindsight are cheering for btw. Even journalists from Vice and Bellingcat think twice about this.

Vice News: Anti-Putin Militias Celebrating Attacks on Russia Are Filled With Neo-Nazis

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https://www.vice.com/en/article/3akdpy/anti-putin-militias-celebrating-attacks-on-russia-are-filled-with-neo-nazis
As far as I remember, about Claus Stauffenberg people are upset that his assassination attempt on Hitler failed, not that he was a Nazi colonel.
Yeah it’s just Nazi on Nazi fighting just because we’re rooting on the black eye they’re giving Putin doesn’t mean we’re saying they’re good 🤷‍♂️
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« Reply #22180 on: May 25, 2023, 07:34:22 AM »


You actually hear this point come up much more incisively from South Africans much much more than Indians or Brazilians. Africans in general feel this global marginalization much more strongly.



isn't the ANC one of the most corrupt political parties in the entire world?  "how many crimes have you committed in your own country, to your own people Fikile?"
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« Reply #22181 on: May 25, 2023, 07:43:15 AM »


You actually hear this point come up much more incisively from South Africans much much more than Indians or Brazilians. Africans in general feel this global marginalization much more strongly.



isn't the ANC one of the most corrupt political parties in the entire world?  "how many crimes have you committed in your own country, to your own people Fikile?"

It also can’t event control its own country. Most of the “global south” doesn’t want to deal with the west due to past colonialism but has leashed themselves to Russia and China in perpetual servitude.  Sooner or later the masters will call in that free money debt.
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« Reply #22182 on: May 25, 2023, 08:25:12 AM »

Red Velvet's "South" try not to deal with countries that have come a long way towards humanism, tolerance and condemnation of imperialism, and get into the cage of the PRC, which is just beginning to get into the taste to the Great Game. What could be wiser than this?
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« Reply #22183 on: May 25, 2023, 08:32:42 AM »


You actually hear this point come up much more incisively from South Africans much much more than Indians or Brazilians. Africans in general feel this global marginalization much more strongly.



isn't the ANC one of the most corrupt political parties in the entire world?  "how many crimes have you committed in your own country, to your own people Fikile?"
Yes. There was once a time when the ANC would have had the moral standing to make this sort of criticism, but those days are long in the past.
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« Reply #22184 on: May 25, 2023, 09:03:42 AM »

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« Reply #22185 on: May 25, 2023, 09:13:53 AM »

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« Reply #22186 on: May 25, 2023, 09:21:13 AM »


Lol
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« Reply #22187 on: May 25, 2023, 09:28:27 AM »



Rabid anti-Semite rages against Jewish President.....news at 11.
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« Reply #22188 on: May 25, 2023, 11:12:34 AM »

The lazy whataboutism towards Palestine and Iraq which more or less boils down to “well because the West did bad stuff Ukraine needs to suffer” has been one of the more cringe arguments coming from Putin enablers

Uhhhh Palestine STILL is ignored right now. And you see the opposite reasoning used to justify it. The “rules-based order” used to defend Ukraine simply doesn’t exist if it’s something that easily flip-flops depending single-handedly on “which side the west is more friends with”.
This isn’t necessarily wrong, but I think you know full well what people are usually doing when they say “What about Palestine?” in a conversation about Ukraine. The point is almost never that you should also support Palestine: it’s that you shouldn’t support Ukraine

Which is why its always nice when you see a Twitter bio with both Palestine and Ukraine flags.

(yes, there are a few)
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« Reply #22189 on: May 25, 2023, 11:13:22 AM »


Boom! This is a big game changer. Ukraine concerns about running out of artillery has just been resolved
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« Reply #22190 on: May 25, 2023, 02:57:02 PM »

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« Reply #22191 on: May 25, 2023, 03:16:03 PM »



Maybe Pandor should focus on the fact that her country is an under-developed, corrupt sh**thole with more wealth inequality than Cyberpunk.
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« Reply #22192 on: May 25, 2023, 04:19:55 PM »

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« Reply #22193 on: May 25, 2023, 04:34:53 PM »

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« Reply #22194 on: May 25, 2023, 07:05:30 PM »


Or the projection of Russian nationalists, when they turn the fact of the territories annexed from China in the Far East into a story about the sale of Russian territories to the PRC, became true and Putin really sells forests to the PRC  Confused
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« Reply #22195 on: May 25, 2023, 08:01:51 PM »

https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/24/politics/us-intelligence-kremlin-drone-attack/index.html

"US intelligence indicates Ukrainians may have launched drone attack on Kremlin"
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« Reply #22196 on: May 25, 2023, 11:22:54 PM »
« Edited: May 25, 2023, 11:49:31 PM by NOVA Green »

These are the people NOVA Green and Hindsight are cheering for btw. Even journalists from Vice and Bellingcat think twice about this.

Vice News: Anti-Putin Militias Celebrating Attacks on Russia Are Filled With Neo-Nazis

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Members of the Russian Volunteer Corps include a guy arrested for spreading the Christchurch Shooter’s Manifesto and the founder of a neo-Nazi death metal festival.
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Pictures of RDK celebrating in Belgorod flooded social media. In one, a Russian man named Aleksandr Skachkov stands next to a captured BTR-82A with the flag of the RDK unfurled next to him. On his chest is a patch depicting a white hooded Ku Klux Klansman wielding a gun. According to reporting from Bellingcat, Ukraine arrested Skachkov in 2020 during a raid on a group of people who were translating and selling the Christchurch Shooter’s manifesto.
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Michael Colborne, a journalist at Bellingcat and the author of From the Fires of War: Ukraine’s Azov Movement and the Global Far Right, said he put his head in his hands yesterday as people online started celebrating the attack on Belgorod. He recognized many of the men in the videos. “I knew right away who they were,” he said. “I don’t see what military or PR purpose putting these guys front and center does for Ukraine, because Russia knows who they are.”
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In addition to being part of the RDK, Levkin is also the founder of Asgardsrei, an annual black metal festival in Ukraine that serves as a networking event for neo-Nazis. VICE interviewed Levkin in 2019 and asked him if he was a national socialist. “Yes, sure!” He replied.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/3akdpy/anti-putin-militias-celebrating-attacks-on-russia-are-filled-with-neo-nazis

Thank you for pointing out the obvious fact that NOVA Green has been a long time closet NEO-NAZI supporter for decades of my posting history.

It is also patently clear that I have a long posting history of supporting Extremist Far-Right and Fascist political formations, movements, and governments globally.

Now that being said, define my "cheerleading for Neo-Nazi Russians", and if so please report that post immediately and I will happily take my punishment.

Meanwhile in the real world... there sure might be a more than a handful of Russian opponents of the Putin Dictatorship who actually do support Neo-Nazi political movements, or generally Far-Right movements within Central Europe, but yet those of us watching are not blind, but yet recognize that the Russian Anti-Putin movement is not confined to one single minor subset of Russian society, and that if certain individuals chose to devote their energy into being a small bit part in what quite possibly might be another Russian Revolution within the next decade or so is not yet reasons considering there are no current criminal charges against the individuals mentioned within Germany, let alone elsewhere in Central and Western Europe.



According to your own posts you appear to be representing an American Male of the Gen-X cohort, in which case you might well have listened to this song back in the mid 1980s....

"NAZI PUNKS F**K OFF'.




Still, from your posting history, I am skeptical and call BS on your fake moralistic postings, despite the fact that you seem to have a unique ability of tracking Russian Military and Paramilitary channels, while simultaneously posting "Doomerism", as some type of scheme to provide a "fair and balanced" report from the War in Ukraine, where it seems like so many of the quotes are so selective, in which case it might cause a few posters (Naturally not myself), to question what exactly is your agenda here?

EDIT: BTW Vice.com is so lame, despite their attempted global reach-outs and expansion of their business empire as a deliberate strategy to create an international youth based business.

Hell read your vice article, which was basically regurgitated puked up stories from the past, with tons of links on the right hand side of the webpage, most of which looked like they linked to Porno webpages, once all the clickbait is done...

Sorry Sweetie... I don't like trash TV, don't like trash internet sites, and perhaps what sometimes I hate the most is lazy reporting.

Grok their business model, but just because they represent in certain business markets as PROG, don't mean they ain't just another Capitalist Business with Global Ambitions, especially as authoritarian censorship has been increasingly globally so dramatically over the past ~(10) years.
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« Reply #22197 on: May 25, 2023, 11:55:25 PM »


Late to the Party honey... this is so Yesterdays song.

Sure... might be more to come, so best for folxs to withdrawal any business investments in Russia sooner rather than later.

Secondary sanctions will likely hit China in the immediate future, until they back down with their support for the Russian Invasion of Ukraine.

Best shift the portfolio offshore, now that Hong Kong has collapsed, maybe move $$$ to Singapore?

Arguably, moving some $$$ to Canada might be options, especially in Vancouver and invest in real estate?

But yes, if this hypothetical is true than it means that Ukrainian drones can actually hit major targets within Moscow itself.
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« Reply #22198 on: May 26, 2023, 04:31:51 AM »

https://www.wsj.com/articles/36-hours-in-bakhmut-one-units-desperate-battle-to-hold-back-the-russians-72e30f01

"36 Hours in Bakhmut: One Unit’s Desperate Battle to Hold Back the Russians"

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During the 36 hours he spent in brutal house-to-house combat in the eastern Ukrainian city, 11 of the 16 men from Malkovskiy's group were either killed or captured, surviving soldiers and relatives of the missing said.

Looks like Ukraine green units in Bakhmut took heavy losses.  Most likely a Ukraine strategy to try to preserve more experience units that will need to fight another day.
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« Reply #22199 on: May 26, 2023, 04:43:55 AM »

https://www.19fortyfive.com/2023/05/sad-reality-the-ukraine-war-is-now-going-russias-way/

"Sad Reality: The Ukraine War Is Now Going Russia’s Way"
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