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« Reply #15125 on: September 27, 2022, 12:19:11 PM »
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« Reply #15126 on: September 27, 2022, 12:30:41 PM »



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« Reply #15127 on: September 27, 2022, 01:14:03 PM »
Quote from: Christian mosh pit go mosh on September 27, 2022, 11:29:51 AM
Why not just rig it with like 60% in favor and then being able to at least pretend it's legitimate numbers?

Because in exercises like this, the shamelessness of the rigging is a big part of the point.
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« Reply #15128 on: September 27, 2022, 01:18:31 PM »
Quote from: Torrain on September 27, 2022, 12:08:00 PM


With 0 training?
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« Reply #15129 on: September 27, 2022, 01:29:51 PM »
Quote from: Storr on September 27, 2022, 12:19:11 PM
lol





Ah, is this Putin's BOTH SIDES DO IT argument?
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« Reply #15130 on: September 27, 2022, 01:30:01 PM »
« Edited: September 27, 2022, 01:44:32 PM by Storr »
"Today marks the 15th anniversary of the best video in the history of Ukrainian politics"



Edit, added: Full video with English subtitles. Tbh, I wish American politicians cussed as much as Misha. lol.



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« Reply #15131 on: September 27, 2022, 01:35:33 PM »
Quote from: Storr on September 27, 2022, 01:30:01 PM
"Today marks the 15th anniversary of the best video in the history of Ukrainian politics"







Maybe it’s the Ukrainian version of Charlie trying to write a speech for Dennis in Sunny?
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« Reply #15132 on: September 27, 2022, 01:37:08 PM »
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« Reply #15133 on: September 27, 2022, 01:46:54 PM »
Quote from: Person Man on September 27, 2022, 01:18:31 PM
Quote from: Torrain on September 27, 2022, 12:08:00 PM


With 0 training?

The point seems to be sadly to create a meatgrinder for Russia's peripheral non-Slavic Asiatic or Caucasian minorities.
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« Reply #15134 on: September 27, 2022, 02:16:38 PM »
Quote from: Oryxslayer on September 27, 2022, 01:46:54 PM
Quote from: Person Man on September 27, 2022, 01:18:31 PM
Quote from: Torrain on September 27, 2022, 12:08:00 PM


With 0 training?

The point seems to be sadly to create a meatgrinder for Russia's peripheral non-Slavic Asiatic or Caucasian minorities.

I get that. The double negative looked funny but I got the jist.
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« Reply #15135 on: September 27, 2022, 02:30:03 PM »
« Edited: September 27, 2022, 02:35:37 PM by Omega21 »
Polish MEP outing the US as the Nordstream saboteurs lol



On the other hand, Anton Geraschenko (UA official), claimed UA is responsible, then deleted the post.
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« Reply #15136 on: September 27, 2022, 02:34:21 PM »
Quote from: Omega21 on September 27, 2022, 02:30:03 PM
Polish MEP outing the US as the Nordstream saboteurs lol



This is if you take his claim of knowledge at face value.

I mean I could also go on Twitter and state that it was Bill Gates.
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« Reply #15137 on: September 27, 2022, 02:37:15 PM »
Quote from: Middle-aged Europe on September 27, 2022, 02:34:21 PM
Quote from: Omega21 on September 27, 2022, 02:30:03 PM
Polish MEP outing the US as the Nordstream saboteurs lol



This is if you take his claim of knowledge at face value.

I mean I could also go on Twitter and state that it was Bill Gates.

True, but you can hardly come up with a motive for Russia doing it, unless they also blow other non RU pipes.

(UA official also claimed responsibility before deleting the post)
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« Reply #15138 on: September 27, 2022, 02:40:52 PM »
Quote from: Omega21 on September 27, 2022, 02:37:15 PM
Quote from: Middle-aged Europe on September 27, 2022, 02:34:21 PM
Quote from: Omega21 on September 27, 2022, 02:30:03 PM
Polish MEP outing the US as the Nordstream saboteurs lol



This is if you take his claim of knowledge at face value.

I mean I could also go on Twitter and state that it was Bill Gates.

True, but you can hardly come up with a motive for Russia doing it, unless they also blow other non RU pipes.

(UA official also claimed responsibility before deleting the post)

Why not?
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« Reply #15139 on: September 27, 2022, 02:42:46 PM »
I don't see any reason for Putin to blow-up his number 1 bargaining chip with Germany before Winter.  I'd go with accident before I thought the Russians gave away their 'Queen'. 

However, everyone knows that public pressure this winter will provide incentive for NATO Leaders to negotiate with Russia, especially after the Italian and Swedish Elections.  A concession to Russia remains an option as long as the pipeline functions, so the only good geopolitical move for Nato is removing it from the board without anyone seeing or blaming you. 
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« Reply #15140 on: September 27, 2022, 02:47:42 PM »
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« Reply #15141 on: September 27, 2022, 02:48:50 PM »
Quote from: Middle-aged Europe on September 27, 2022, 02:40:52 PM
Quote from: Omega21 on September 27, 2022, 02:37:15 PM
Quote from: Middle-aged Europe on September 27, 2022, 02:34:21 PM
Quote from: Omega21 on September 27, 2022, 02:30:03 PM
Polish MEP outing the US as the Nordstream saboteurs lol



This is if you take his claim of knowledge at face value.

I mean I could also go on Twitter and state that it was Bill Gates.

True, but you can hardly come up with a motive for Russia doing it, unless they also blow other non RU pipes.

(UA official also claimed responsibility before deleting the post)

Why not?

What's the Russian motive for blowing up the pipeline right before winter?    
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« Reply #15142 on: September 27, 2022, 02:54:32 PM »
Quote from: Hollywood on September 27, 2022, 02:48:50 PM
Quote from: Middle-aged Europe on September 27, 2022, 02:40:52 PM
Quote from: Omega21 on September 27, 2022, 02:37:15 PM
Quote from: Middle-aged Europe on September 27, 2022, 02:34:21 PM
Quote from: Omega21 on September 27, 2022, 02:30:03 PM
Polish MEP outing the US as the Nordstream saboteurs lol



This is if you take his claim of knowledge at face value.

I mean I could also go on Twitter and state that it was Bill Gates.

True, but you can hardly come up with a motive for Russia doing it, unless they also blow other non RU pipes.

(UA official also claimed responsibility before deleting the post)

Why not?

What's the Russian motive for blowing up the pipeline right before winter?    

Why the hell should I be able to explain Putin's thought processes? The man started a war that he apparently can't win.
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« Reply #15143 on: September 27, 2022, 03:01:17 PM »
Woooow,
Everything is disintegrating pretty fast for Russia right?
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« Reply #15144 on: September 27, 2022, 03:10:33 PM »
Quote from: Middle-aged Europe on September 27, 2022, 02:54:32 PM
Quote from: Hollywood on September 27, 2022, 02:48:50 PM
Quote from: Middle-aged Europe on September 27, 2022, 02:40:52 PM
Quote from: Omega21 on September 27, 2022, 02:37:15 PM
Quote from: Middle-aged Europe on September 27, 2022, 02:34:21 PM
Quote from: Omega21 on September 27, 2022, 02:30:03 PM
Polish MEP outing the US as the Nordstream saboteurs lol



This is if you take his claim of knowledge at face value.

I mean I could also go on Twitter and state that it was Bill Gates.

True, but you can hardly come up with a motive for Russia doing it, unless they also blow other non RU pipes.

(UA official also claimed responsibility before deleting the post)

Why not?

What's the Russian motive for blowing up the pipeline right before winter?   

Why the hell should I be able to explain Putin's thought processes? The man started a war that he apparently can't win.
The pipeline being blown up does nothing but assist US designs. Only a small number of people are able to sabotage the pipeline; presently, everything points to America doing this and not Russia.

The Russians, if they were to sabotage the pipeline, would most likely do so after the winter was over, not now. There is a method to their madness.
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« Reply #15145 on: September 27, 2022, 03:13:03 PM »


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« Reply #15146 on: September 27, 2022, 03:14:24 PM »
Quote from: Southern Delegate and Atlasian AG Punxsutawney Phil on September 27, 2022, 03:10:33 PM
Quote from: Middle-aged Europe on September 27, 2022, 02:54:32 PM
Quote from: Hollywood on September 27, 2022, 02:48:50 PM
Quote from: Middle-aged Europe on September 27, 2022, 02:40:52 PM
Quote from: Omega21 on September 27, 2022, 02:37:15 PM
Quote from: Middle-aged Europe on September 27, 2022, 02:34:21 PM
Quote from: Omega21 on September 27, 2022, 02:30:03 PM
Polish MEP outing the US as the Nordstream saboteurs lol



This is if you take his claim of knowledge at face value.

I mean I could also go on Twitter and state that it was Bill Gates.

True, but you can hardly come up with a motive for Russia doing it, unless they also blow other non RU pipes.

(UA official also claimed responsibility before deleting the post)

Why not?

What's the Russian motive for blowing up the pipeline right before winter?   

Why the hell should I be able to explain Putin's thought processes? The man started a war that he apparently can't win.
The pipeline being blown up does nothing but assist US designs. Only a small number of people are able to sabotage the pipeline; presently, everything points to America doing this and not Russia.

The Russians, if they were to sabotage the pipeline, would most likely do so after the winter was over, not now. There is a method to their madness.
NS1 has been shut down and NS2 was incomplete. They aren't valuable to Russia anymore.
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« Reply #15147 on: September 27, 2022, 03:15:32 PM »
Quote from: Storr on September 27, 2022, 03:14:24 PM
Quote from: Southern Delegate and Atlasian AG Punxsutawney Phil on September 27, 2022, 03:10:33 PM
Quote from: Middle-aged Europe on September 27, 2022, 02:54:32 PM
Quote from: Hollywood on September 27, 2022, 02:48:50 PM
Quote from: Middle-aged Europe on September 27, 2022, 02:40:52 PM
Quote from: Omega21 on September 27, 2022, 02:37:15 PM
Quote from: Middle-aged Europe on September 27, 2022, 02:34:21 PM
Quote from: Omega21 on September 27, 2022, 02:30:03 PM
Polish MEP outing the US as the Nordstream saboteurs lol



This is if you take his claim of knowledge at face value.

I mean I could also go on Twitter and state that it was Bill Gates.

True, but you can hardly come up with a motive for Russia doing it, unless they also blow other non RU pipes.

(UA official also claimed responsibility before deleting the post)

Why not?

What's the Russian motive for blowing up the pipeline right before winter?   

Why the hell should I be able to explain Putin's thought processes? The man started a war that he apparently can't win.
The pipeline being blown up does nothing but assist US designs. Only a small number of people are able to sabotage the pipeline; presently, everything points to America doing this and not Russia.

The Russians, if they were to sabotage the pipeline, would most likely do so after the winter was over, not now. There is a method to their madness.
NS1 has been shut down and NS2 was incomplete. They aren't valuable to Russia anymore.
They in fact were. They had long-term value and gave the Russians more avenues to act. The blowing up of these pipelines corners Russia still further.
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« Reply #15148 on: September 27, 2022, 03:19:56 PM »
Quote from: Hollywood on September 27, 2022, 02:48:50 PM
Quote from: Middle-aged Europe on September 27, 2022, 02:40:52 PM
Quote from: Omega21 on September 27, 2022, 02:37:15 PM
Quote from: Middle-aged Europe on September 27, 2022, 02:34:21 PM
Quote from: Omega21 on September 27, 2022, 02:30:03 PM
Polish MEP outing the US as the Nordstream saboteurs lol



This is if you take his claim of knowledge at face value.

I mean I could also go on Twitter and state that it was Bill Gates.

True, but you can hardly come up with a motive for Russia doing it, unless they also blow other non RU pipes.

(UA official also claimed responsibility before deleting the post)

Why not?

What's the Russian motive for blowing up the pipeline right before winter?    

They need an "official" excuse not to supply gas rather than say the obvious out loud: That they don't want to supply as long as Germany has sanctions imposed on Russia, aids Ukraine with arms and other military equipment and takes in Ukrainian refugees.
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« Reply #15149 on: September 27, 2022, 03:32:56 PM »
Very bad news for Russians in Lyman, if true:

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