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« Reply #1350 on: February 23, 2022, 08:31:49 PM »
Quote from: Vaccinated Russian Bear on February 23, 2022, 08:31:01 PM
Ze will allegedly ask UN for sending peace keepers to Ukraine.

Can't Russia just block that?

Don't really get the point.
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« Reply #1351 on: February 23, 2022, 08:36:18 PM »
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Ze will allegedly ask UN for sending peace keepers to Ukraine.

Can't Russia just block that?

Don't really get the point.

Yes?

IDK. He probably just trying everything right now. Win time? Expose Russia's hypocrisy. Putin won't care, but might change public opinion in Russia?
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« Reply #1352 on: February 23, 2022, 08:39:01 PM »
No (sane)
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« Reply #1353 on: February 23, 2022, 08:40:55 PM »
UNVERIFIED, but worth posting
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« Reply #1354 on: February 23, 2022, 08:46:38 PM »
These performative gestures of solidarity with Ukraine from some places are a bit much, imo. I mean, lighting up the Brandenburg Gate in the Ukrainian colors is nice and all, but I think Ukraine would have more appreciation if Germany hadn't repeatedly blocked the Baltic states from sending German-made weapons to Ukraine.
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« Reply #1355 on: February 23, 2022, 08:49:57 PM »
« Edited: February 23, 2022, 08:56:09 PM by Storr »
Merely symbolic. I wouldn't be surprised to see Russian propaganda use it to further "prove" the Ukrainian government is fascist.



Edit: I'm sure Ukraine would rather have those ex-Soviet D-30 howitzers from Estonia that Germany blocked the sale of than a pretty light show.
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« Reply #1356 on: February 23, 2022, 08:56:47 PM »
Multiple civilian airliners are being diverted away from Ukrainian airspace. Seems like Ukrainian airspace is getting shut down or something.
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« Reply #1357 on: February 23, 2022, 08:59:19 PM »
An LOT (Polish Airlines) flight also suddenly turned around
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« Reply #1358 on: February 23, 2022, 09:00:31 PM »
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Multiple civilian airliners are being diverted away from Ukrainian airspace. Seems like Ukrainian airspace is getting shut down or something.

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Well, Politico said Russia will invade Ukraine in 1 minute.
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« Reply #1359 on: February 23, 2022, 09:01:04 PM »
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« Reply #1360 on: February 23, 2022, 09:02:22 PM »
Flights in and out of Ukraine are making movements indicating possible or imminent closure of Ukrainian airspace:



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« Reply #1361 on: February 23, 2022, 09:06:19 PM »
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Well, something has changed:

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« Reply #1362 on: February 23, 2022, 09:07:05 PM »
This is unverified, I have no idea what the source is, but is dramatic enough that seems like it should be posted. However, it is just a rumor unless there is some more confirmation of its legitimacy I would say. So with that grain of salt:
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« Reply #1363 on: February 23, 2022, 09:08:08 PM »
No, Biden has repeated said he will not send in US troops and no other NATO members are willing to send in their troops.
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« Reply #1364 on: February 23, 2022, 09:10:19 PM »
Senator Rubio says invasion is underway
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« Reply #1365 on: February 23, 2022, 09:10:48 PM »



So CNN:s source was NOTAM, Notice to Air Missions that Russia itself issued?
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« Reply #1366 on: February 23, 2022, 09:11:48 PM »
Quote from: 👁️👁️ on February 23, 2022, 09:07:05 PM
This is unverified, I have no idea what the source is, but is dramatic enough that seems like it should be posted. However, it is just a rumor unless there is some more confirmation of its legitimacy I would say. So with that grain of salt:



They posted the link of the feed as well, but it's down now.
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« Reply #1367 on: February 23, 2022, 09:12:35 PM »
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Quote from: Omega21 on February 23, 2022, 08:40:55 PM
UNVERIFIED, but worth posting


Well, something has changed:


Here's the link to the livestream that image was taken from. The are obvious plumes of smoke rising from the city currently. https://mytrinity.com.ua/cams?group=1206#

Edit: Welp, now it's down. Thanks Russian hackers.
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« Reply #1368 on: February 23, 2022, 09:12:50 PM »
Per NOTAM, flights by civil aircraft are now restricted inside Ukraine
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« Reply #1369 on: February 23, 2022, 09:15:01 PM »
Quote from: WMS on February 23, 2022, 06:05:08 PM
To make such statements NOW, in the context of Russia invading Ukraine, absolutely is engaging in whataboutism. “Yeah Russia shouldn’t be there, but what about NATO breaking their promise not to expand east?” That’s mealy-mouthed bothsides-ism looking to justify Russia’s position. Oh wait let me f****ing quote you again:

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When the western countries promised Mikhail Gorbachev the NATO would not expand eastwards from Poland

First of all, you’re getting your pro-Putin talking points wrong because they’re claiming the promise is that NATO wouldn’t expand eastwards from Germany, not Poland.

Second of all, that’s Russian revisionist history in their claiming they were promised eternal control over all their former satellites and former republics.

Third of all, who the f*** is Russia to claim a sphere of influence over other countries? As much as the likes of you bitch over American influence in Latin America it’s incredibly hypocritical to turn around and say Russia should’ve been given its own sphere of influence. Although that didn’t stop Cuba, Nicaragua, and Venezuela from doing exactly that!

The idea that Russian wounded pride needed to be assuaged by letting them dominate their neighbors after the U.S.S.R. collapsed is trampling on the desires, wishes, and national sovereignty of every country east of Germany and west of Russia. Or are you overlooking the level of plundering and abuse the U.S.S.R./Russia inflicted on them for fifty years?

The only good point you have been is that more could’ve been done to develop Russia, but given how much aid vanished due to corruption as it was I’m not sure anything would’ve been enough.

In terms of forging peace, prosperity, and freedom, golly gee the combination of NATO and the EU has done an amazing job of that. Unless you think NATO should’ve occupied Russia after 1991 it’s not the fault of the West that Russia turned into a kleptocratic mafia state.

You mention the parallel of the Treaty of Versailles and Germany? Ah yes, “it wasn’t our fault we became Nazis it was everyone else’s fault” such a convenient way to dodge responsibility when it’s always the fault of an outsider.

Russia, and Russia alone, bears responsibility for this entire f***ed up situation. Not Ukraine, not NATO, not the EU, and not *****gasps***** the US! I know, not being able to blame the US for everything goes against the stance of a certain strain of the International Le Putin's aggtft, but you tankies are busy showing your true colore over this crisis, just like your counterparts on the International Right.

I read about those who refused to see the truth of what Nazi Germany meant for the future, but I never thought I’d witness the same type of phenomena in person.

Whataboutism is not trying to explain Putin's nationalism in the context of recent history,  but rather trying to justify it arguing the other side is worse. Given that I'm not justifying Putin's aggression,  your claim is false.  I want to clarify Putin's regime is by no means comparable to Nazi Germany. I made an analogy to the Treaty of Versailles because that's a good example of bad approaches that had fatal consequences. Neither that treaty justifies the crimes of the Nazi regime nor Hitler was the only German nationalist. The rest of your post is simply too hysterical
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« Reply #1370 on: February 23, 2022, 09:16:11 PM »
More on the border post that was (apparently?) attacked
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« Reply #1371 on: February 23, 2022, 09:16:17 PM »
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« Reply #1372 on: February 23, 2022, 09:17:39 PM »
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Quote from: Omega21 on February 23, 2022, 08:40:55 PM
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Well, something has changed:


Here's the link to the livestream that image was taken from. The are obvious plumes of smoke rising from the city currently. https://mytrinity.com.ua/cams?group=1206#

Edit: Welp, now it's down. Thanks Russian hackers.

Seems like it. It was down before temporarily, but the error was something I would expect from a server overload (too many users trying to open). Now this is a DB error, meaning an SQL injection likely.
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« Reply #1373 on: February 23, 2022, 09:19:27 PM »
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Thank you for keeping us updated with real information despite your very different sympathies than most of this forum, RB.
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« Reply #1374 on: February 23, 2022, 09:24:31 PM »
Quote from: 👁️👁️ on February 23, 2022, 09:16:11 PM
More on the border post that was (apparently?) attacked

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These shots appear to show civilians running away from fatigue wearing men w/o insignia at the same insignia:
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