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« Reply #675 on: September 30, 2023, 08:59:06 AM »
« edited: September 30, 2023, 09:23:43 AM by pppolitics »



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« Reply #676 on: September 30, 2023, 11:38:48 AM »
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« Reply #677 on: September 30, 2023, 04:38:47 PM »




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« Reply #678 on: October 02, 2023, 01:02:43 PM »
« Edited: October 02, 2023, 01:05:52 PM by pppolitics »
Quote from: jaichind on October 02, 2023, 10:55:34 AM
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/10/02/biden-admin-ukraine-strategy-corruption-00119237

"Leaked U.S. strategy on Ukraine sees corruption as the real threat"

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“Perceptions of high-level corruption” the confidential version of the document warns, could “undermine the Ukrainian public’s and foreign leaders’ confidence in the war-time government.”

That’s right.

Endemic corruption has made Russia a weak and failing state.

Rooting out corruption in Ukraine is helping Ukraine defeat Russia, speeding up Russia’s collapse.
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« Reply #679 on: October 04, 2023, 10:24:04 PM »
« Edited: October 04, 2023, 10:34:34 PM by pppolitics »
Quote from: jaichind on October 04, 2023, 12:57:36 PM
https://thenationonlineng.net/olena-zelenska-spends-1100000-on-cartier-jewelry-gets-sales-employee-fired/

"Olena Zelenska spends $1,100,000 on Cartier jewelry, gets sales employee fired"

Nigerian media reports that Zelensky's wife spent $1.1 million in a NYC jewelry store based on information from an ex-employee



So this happened in New York City, but the only one reporting on it is a Nigerian newspaper?

Definitely legit Russia disinformation.


jaichind, just how stupid do you think we are?
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« Reply #680 on: October 05, 2023, 03:21:54 PM »
Quote from: Punxsutawney Phil on October 05, 2023, 06:45:18 AM
Seizing Russian assets and giving them to Ukraine is an idea I have always opposed, on grounds relating to my valuing of a right to property. Moreover, there's also the fact that a ton of American-owned assets overseas are made more at risk if we make the seizure of Russian assets part of how the game is played. A country like America should not be undercutting the right to property by even appearing to limit it to people who we like. That's bound to take us down a road that would undercut the financial prosperity of the country (and entities based within its orders or tied to it) as a whole.

Giving the rest of the world a signal that this sort of thing is okay to do when we say so, is a price too high to pay for larger amounts of Ukraine aid. Freezing the assets is one thing, but seizing them outright is a bridge too far even in these sorts of circumstances.

Let's say that you destroyed your neighbor's house.

The court is going to seize the money in your bank account (and other posessions) to pay for the damages.
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« Reply #681 on: October 05, 2023, 04:40:17 PM »
Quote from: 2952-0-0 on October 05, 2023, 03:28:29 PM
Quote from: pppolitics on October 05, 2023, 03:21:54 PM
Let's say that you destroyed your neighbor's house.

The court is going to seize the money in your bank account (and other posessions) to pay for the damages.

To be fair, it's an independent third party that's seizing the account. The bank can't and shouldn't do so by itself.

I think that seizing Russia's foreign reserves might be a step too far. It would be fair if, as part of a peace treaty, Russia "voluntarily" agreed to forward its foreign reserves to a Ukraine reconstruction fund in exchange for a lifting of economic sanctions. But seizing them now would be questionable.

So which "independent third party" would this be?

Author's note: Russia doesn't comply with rulings from the International Criminal Court.
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« Reply #682 on: October 06, 2023, 08:41:21 AM »


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« Reply #683 on: October 06, 2023, 08:53:46 AM »
« Edited: October 06, 2023, 09:09:32 AM by pppolitics »




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« Reply #684 on: October 06, 2023, 02:39:22 PM »
Quote from: DavidB. on October 06, 2023, 01:15:11 PM
It looks like we're in a new phase indeed, mostly because of the Polish U-turn and increasing GOP opposition to supporting Ukraine, but also because of general fatigue in the West. So far, Ukraine has not succeeded in making any significant advances this year, and while there are all sorts of outside reasons for that (perhaps most importantly the slow materiel deliveries from the West, which does not live up to its promises) it will cost them dearly. The West has "geopolitical ADHD" and its attention span for Ukraine is running out. In Afghanistan, the Taliban said "the Americans have watches, but we've got the time"; the same goes for Russia. I find this to be very unfortunate because I support Ukraine in taking back control over its entire territory, but it feels like the mood is shifting quite rapidly. I expect the West to force Ukraine to the negotiating table in 2024.

Clearly, you haven't been paying close enough attention.

Ukraine's objective is to reach Melitopol.

That may seem far away but in reality, there are no defenses after Tokmak and Ukraine Armed Forces has already breached 2 of the 3 layers of defenses.
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« Reply #685 on: October 06, 2023, 06:40:55 PM »
Quote from: PSOL on October 06, 2023, 05:53:28 PM
Most in the west don’t work in the weapon industry or are beltway elites, and the huge amount of money given to Ukraine based on their own comprehension is too much as they are left with getting less than before the war. Blaming it on “geopolitical ADHD”, “populism”, or “Russian troll farms” isn’t very convincing and is not a winning argument as most people are struggling to make ends meet, working harder to compensate for their prior living standards, and some seeing that their leadership has misplaced priorities from what they expect of government.

Instead of prioritizing alternative energy sources or focusing on improving people’s livelihoods here and there makes them hard to believe you.

You still haven't learned from World War II that appeasement doesn't work.
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« Reply #686 on: October 11, 2023, 08:50:24 PM »
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« Reply #687 on: October 12, 2023, 09:26:49 PM »

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