Russia-Ukraine war and related tensions Megathread

[Hindsight was 2020]

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/03/12/biden-united-states-ukraine-relationship-cracks-00086654

"Little fissures’: The U.S.-Ukraine war unity is slowly cracking apart"

*typical long incoherent Russian bootlicking drivel about “muh global south”*

Russia invaded a year ago so how a 1 year war became a forever war in your mind remains a mystery but furthermore I hate to break the bad news to you but “the West” isn’t the ones who have been hurt by this conflict. Between the restrengthening of NATO, the massive shift in Finland and Sweden and Russia’s dimming influence and the rise of pro-EU sentiment in the Caucuses most notably in Georgia to argue that the West is “going down with the ship” in Ukraine is quite frankly a fanfic playing out in your mind that reality doesn’t agree with

[Red Velvet]

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/03/12/biden-united-states-ukraine-relationship-cracks-00086654

"Little fissures’: The U.S.-Ukraine war unity is slowly cracking apart"

*typical long incoherent Russian bootlicking drivel about “muh global south”*

Russia invaded a year ago so how a 1 year war became a forever war in your mind remains a mystery but furthermore I hate to break the bad news to you but “the West” isn’t the ones who have been hurt by this conflict. Between the restrengthening of NATO, the massive shift in Finland and Sweden and Russia’s dimming influence and the rise of pro-EU sentiment in the Caucuses most notably in Georgia to argue that the West is “going down with the ship” in Ukraine is quite frankly a fanfic playing out in your mind that reality doesn’t agree with

Oohhhhh such strengthening, you’re saying you can add Sweden, Finland and Georgia? Scary intimidating stuff! I can only imagine what those savage Swedish are capable of

Meanwhile, the entire rest of the world is pushed to the position of wanting to break away with you. Your single measure of power is some XX century outdated notion that only the white world matters.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Why in the world did I unignore Red Velvet a while back? Oh well, time to fix this.

[Hindsight was 2020]

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/03/12/biden-united-states-ukraine-relationship-cracks-00086654

"Little fissures’: The U.S.-Ukraine war unity is slowly cracking apart"

*typical long incoherent Russian bootlicking drivel about “muh global south”*

Russia invaded a year ago so how a 1 year war became a forever war in your mind remains a mystery but furthermore I hate to break the bad news to you but “the West” isn’t the ones who have been hurt by this conflict. Between the restrengthening of NATO, the massive shift in Finland and Sweden and Russia’s dimming influence and the rise of pro-EU sentiment in the Caucuses most notably in Georgia to argue that the West is “going down with the ship” in Ukraine is quite frankly a fanfic playing out in your mind that reality doesn’t agree with

Oohhhhh such strengthening, you’re saying you can add Sweden, Finland and Georgia? Scary intimidating stuff! I can only imagine what those savage Swedish are capable of

Meanwhile, the entire rest of the world is pushed to the position of wanting to break away with you. Your single measure of power is some XX century outdated notion that only the white world matters.

First off considering the fact you for some bizarre reason push this idea Russia is benefiting geopolitically from the war that fact that Finland, Sweden and Georgia are firmly entering a pro-NATO/EU stance is a big deal. Second if the rest of the world is sooo anti-Ukraine like you keep squawking then why is Russia begging North Korea of all places for resources and military aid?

[Red Velvet]

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/03/12/biden-united-states-ukraine-relationship-cracks-00086654

"Little fissures’: The U.S.-Ukraine war unity is slowly cracking apart"

*typical long incoherent Russian bootlicking drivel about “muh global south”*

Russia invaded a year ago so how a 1 year war became a forever war in your mind remains a mystery but furthermore I hate to break the bad news to you but “the West” isn’t the ones who have been hurt by this conflict. Between the restrengthening of NATO, the massive shift in Finland and Sweden and Russia’s dimming influence and the rise of pro-EU sentiment in the Caucuses most notably in Georgia to argue that the West is “going down with the ship” in Ukraine is quite frankly a fanfic playing out in your mind that reality doesn’t agree with

Oohhhhh such strengthening, you’re saying you can add Sweden, Finland and Georgia? Scary intimidating stuff! I can only imagine what those savage Swedish are capable of

Meanwhile, the entire rest of the world is pushed to the position of wanting to break away with you. Your single measure of power is some XX century outdated notion that only the white world matters.

First off considering the fact you for some bizarre reason push this idea Russia is benefiting geopolitically from the war that fact that Finland, Sweden and Georgia are firmly entering a pro-NATO/EU stance is a big deal. Second if the rest of the world is sooo anti-Ukraine like you keep squawking then why is Russia begging North Korea of all places for resources and military aid?

Where did I push ANY idea that Russia is benefiting from this war? You’re only reflecting the kind of mentality you have yourself.

They clearly aren’t benefiting, but so isn’t you. Others are though. Again, it isn’t late XX century anymore where it’s a West vs USSR logic that bipolarize conflicts.

It’s hard to have a conversation because you still don’t accept or maybe don’t even understand the new dynamics. Which will only bite you in the longer term.

[jaichind]

Oh man as someone who has never read a history book on WW2 in his life and doesn’t know that everything in that Politico article is common grumbling that allies have in war, I’m really concerned about the future of the US-Ukraine alliance

What is written in the Politico article is really no big deal and is standard in coalition warfare.  Since you mention WWII a lot of stuff has since come out about how FDR and Churchill really thought about each other and how they were constantly pursuing agendas that would undercut the other.  Same for Hitler and Mussolini.  And don't get me started on the Japanese Army vs Japanese Navy.  During the war, they spent more energy against each other than fighting the Americans.  The only thing that motivated them to collaborate was the fear of looking bad in a meeting in front of the Emperor.

I think the article is interesting not because of the "facts" it revealed but because it got published at all.  The USA MSM has a lot of connections with the defense establishment  and the fact that such an article came out indicates that a growing minority of the USA defense establishment  might be thinking "hey, this it not going exactly as planned, perhaps we should find a way to wind down this baby"

[Hindsight was 2020]

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/03/12/biden-united-states-ukraine-relationship-cracks-00086654

"Little fissures’: The U.S.-Ukraine war unity is slowly cracking apart"

*typical long incoherent Russian bootlicking drivel about “muh global south”*

Russia invaded a year ago so how a 1 year war became a forever war in your mind remains a mystery but furthermore I hate to break the bad news to you but “the West” isn’t the ones who have been hurt by this conflict. Between the restrengthening of NATO, the massive shift in Finland and Sweden and Russia’s dimming influence and the rise of pro-EU sentiment in the Caucuses most notably in Georgia to argue that the West is “going down with the ship” in Ukraine is quite frankly a fanfic playing out in your mind that reality doesn’t agree with

Oohhhhh such strengthening, you’re saying you can add Sweden, Finland and Georgia? Scary intimidating stuff! I can only imagine what those savage Swedish are capable of

Meanwhile, the entire rest of the world is pushed to the position of wanting to break away with you. Your single measure of power is some XX century outdated notion that only the white world matters.

First off considering the fact you for some bizarre reason push this idea Russia is benefiting geopolitically from the war that fact that Finland, Sweden and Georgia are firmly entering a pro-NATO/EU stance is a big deal. Second if the rest of the world is sooo anti-Ukraine like you keep squawking then why is Russia begging North Korea of all places for resources and military aid?

Where did I push ANY idea that Russia is benefiting from this war? You’re only reflecting the kind of mentality you have yourself.

They clearly aren’t benefiting, but so isn’t you. Others are though. Again, it isn’t late XX century anymore where it’s a West vs USSR logic that bipolarize conflicts.

It’s hard to have a conversation because you still don’t accept or maybe don’t even understand the new dynamics. Which will only bite you in the longer term.

You don’t even clearly these dynamics you’re arguing about even are because whenever you do try to clearly define it it then falls apart. You seem to push some weird idea of South America and Asia being the new rising masters of the geopolitical world from this war but South Korea, Japan, and Pakistan are all increasing aid to Ukraine directly or to Poland to then give to Ukraine. While South America is mostly staying out there is hardly strong anti-Ukrainian sentiment like you have with even Lula feeling the need to back off his trash “both sides are equally to blame” stuff

[Red Velvet]

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/03/12/biden-united-states-ukraine-relationship-cracks-00086654

"Little fissures’: The U.S.-Ukraine war unity is slowly cracking apart"

*typical long incoherent Russian bootlicking drivel about “muh global south”*

Russia invaded a year ago so how a 1 year war became a forever war in your mind remains a mystery but furthermore I hate to break the bad news to you but “the West” isn’t the ones who have been hurt by this conflict. Between the restrengthening of NATO, the massive shift in Finland and Sweden and Russia’s dimming influence and the rise of pro-EU sentiment in the Caucuses most notably in Georgia to argue that the West is “going down with the ship” in Ukraine is quite frankly a fanfic playing out in your mind that reality doesn’t agree with

Oohhhhh such strengthening, you’re saying you can add Sweden, Finland and Georgia? Scary intimidating stuff! I can only imagine what those savage Swedish are capable of

Meanwhile, the entire rest of the world is pushed to the position of wanting to break away with you. Your single measure of power is some XX century outdated notion that only the white world matters.

First off considering the fact you for some bizarre reason push this idea Russia is benefiting geopolitically from the war that fact that Finland, Sweden and Georgia are firmly entering a pro-NATO/EU stance is a big deal. Second if the rest of the world is sooo anti-Ukraine like you keep squawking then why is Russia begging North Korea of all places for resources and military aid?

Where did I push ANY idea that Russia is benefiting from this war? You’re only reflecting the kind of mentality you have yourself.

They clearly aren’t benefiting, but so isn’t you. Others are though. Again, it isn’t late XX century anymore where it’s a West vs USSR logic that bipolarize conflicts.

It’s hard to have a conversation because you still don’t accept or maybe don’t even understand the new dynamics. Which will only bite you in the longer term.

You don’t even clearly these dynamics you’re arguing about even are because whenever you do try to clearly define it it then falls apart. You seem to push some weird idea of South America and Asia being the new rising masters of the geopolitical world from this war but South Korea, Japan, and Pakistan are all increasing aid to Ukraine directly or to Poland to then give to Ukraine. While South America is mostly staying out there is hardly strong anti-Ukrainian sentiment like you have with even Lula feeling the need to back off his trash “both sides are equally to blame” stuff

1. There aren’t geopolitical sole masters in the new world order trend that we’re currently seeing begin. That’s what you don’t seem to grasp and keep trying to put the current dynamics into a masters logic because that’s the idea of world you understand.

2. The war in Ukraine is clearly not just about Ukraine by now and canalizes global trends that had been in development for the past decades. It relates to the effects it has and the attitudes taken during it, like the politicization and weaponization of economic matters that are expected to be apolitical.

3. Russia is a decadent power and yet you keep talking about it as if it was some main threat because of your own domestic gripes on how the abstract idea of “Russia” has been politicized in US rhetoric for partisan gains domestically. It’s mostly about pride, not any sort of strategy, that you choose to give them this high level of importance.

[Hindsight was 2020]

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/03/12/biden-united-states-ukraine-relationship-cracks-00086654

"Little fissures’: The U.S.-Ukraine war unity is slowly cracking apart"

*typical long incoherent Russian bootlicking drivel about “muh global south”*

Russia invaded a year ago so how a 1 year war became a forever war in your mind remains a mystery but furthermore I hate to break the bad news to you but “the West” isn’t the ones who have been hurt by this conflict. Between the restrengthening of NATO, the massive shift in Finland and Sweden and Russia’s dimming influence and the rise of pro-EU sentiment in the Caucuses most notably in Georgia to argue that the West is “going down with the ship” in Ukraine is quite frankly a fanfic playing out in your mind that reality doesn’t agree with

Oohhhhh such strengthening, you’re saying you can add Sweden, Finland and Georgia? Scary intimidating stuff! I can only imagine what those savage Swedish are capable of

Meanwhile, the entire rest of the world is pushed to the position of wanting to break away with you. Your single measure of power is some XX century outdated notion that only the white world matters.

First off considering the fact you for some bizarre reason push this idea Russia is benefiting geopolitically from the war that fact that Finland, Sweden and Georgia are firmly entering a pro-NATO/EU stance is a big deal. Second if the rest of the world is sooo anti-Ukraine like you keep squawking then why is Russia begging North Korea of all places for resources and military aid?

Where did I push ANY idea that Russia is benefiting from this war? You’re only reflecting the kind of mentality you have yourself.

They clearly aren’t benefiting, but so isn’t you. Others are though. Again, it isn’t late XX century anymore where it’s a West vs USSR logic that bipolarize conflicts.

It’s hard to have a conversation because you still don’t accept or maybe don’t even understand the new dynamics. Which will only bite you in the longer term.

You don’t even clearly these dynamics you’re arguing about even are because whenever you do try to clearly define it it then falls apart. You seem to push some weird idea of South America and Asia being the new rising masters of the geopolitical world from this war but South Korea, Japan, and Pakistan are all increasing aid to Ukraine directly or to Poland to then give to Ukraine. While South America is mostly staying out there is hardly strong anti-Ukrainian sentiment like you have with even Lula feeling the need to back off his trash “both sides are equally to blame” stuff

1. There aren’t geopolitical sole masters in the new world order trend that we’re currently seeing begin. That’s what you don’t seem to grasp and keep trying to put the current dynamics into a masters logic because that’s the idea of world you understand.

2. The war in Ukraine is clearly not just about Ukraine by now and canalizes global trends that had been in development for the past decades. It relates to the effects it has and the attitudes taken during it, like the politicization and weaponization of economic matters that are expected to be apolitical.

3. Russia is a decadent power and yet you keep talking about it as if it was some main threat because of your own domestic gripes on how the abstract idea of “Russia” has been politicized in US rhetoric for partisan gains domestically. It’s mostly about pride, not any sort of strategy, that you choose to give them this high level of importance.

Or maybe it’s because we’re in a thread about a war Russia is fighting in and committing genocide on the local populations 🤡

[Woody]

Russians are advancing the Slovyansk-Bakhmut highway - Battles for Orikhovo-Vasylivka and Min'kivka, Zaliznyans'ke might have fallen:

https://mobile.twitter.com/TWWTweeter/status/1634977487334825987
https://mobile.twitter.com/WarMonitor3/status/1634974208248922112
https://mobile.twitter.com/Suriyakmaps/status/1634987290924814336

[Woody]

DefMon retweeted this too:

https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1634908007707320321

[Logical]

https://twitter.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/1634982082949840896

[Woody]

https://mobile.twitter.com/Tendar/status/1634702383656607746

This picture is a fake:

https://twitter.com/GeoConfirmed/status/1634954899808215041
https://twitter.com/GeoConfirmed/status/1634954909044084742

[Storr]

https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1634433470150877184?s=20

[Storr]

"This is my great grandfather (the taller one) in 1917, a soldier of Russian artillery amid WWI. Getting conscripted for artillery was considered to provide a better chance for survival, so it costed a bribe (but was cheaper compared to evade conscription at all). He was from a poor family, but had a friend from a rich one. So this friend told his father, he would not go to artillery alone, so the father had to pay bribe for both boys. What I listen and read today about the Russia's mobilisation, and how every conscript was told to be sent to artillery, I understand, that not many things have changed. Except of the one - now they do not send them to artillery, they only promise it."

https://twitter.com/sumlenny/status/1634890886017368065?s=20

https://twitter.com/sumlenny/status/1635066864362737664?s=20

https://twitter.com/sumlenny/status/1635066374749044736?s=20

[Woody]

"But Russia is losing guys":

Avdiivka
https://twitter.com/AndrewPerpetua/status/1635090296030769152

Bakhmut & Slovyansk highway
https://twitter.com/AndrewPerpetua/status/1635113520223379456
https://twitter.com/AndrewPerpetua/status/1635113526984597507
https://twitter.com/AndrewPerpetua/status/1635113540557361155

[Woody]

Even Andrew folds. Every OSINT now admits holding Bakhmut is a burden, a proper withdrawal might already be too late now:

https://twitter.com/AndrewPerpetua/status/1635113547809296390
https://twitter.com/AndrewPerpetua/status/1635113551194099713
https://twitter.com/AndrewPerpetua/status/1635113554541178881
https://twitter.com/AndrewPerpetua/status/1635113559582715907

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Thanks for helping keep us posted.
Keep up the good work.

[Storr]

https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1635188704095649792?s=20

[jaichind]

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/swiss-government-refuses-re-export-arms-ukraine-2023-03-10/

"Swiss government refuses re-export of arms to Ukraine"

[jaichind]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/chinas-xi-to-speak-with-zelensky-meet-next-week-with-putin-f34be6be

"China’s Xi to Speak to Zelensky, Meet Next Week With Putin"

[Woody]

A quarter of Ukraine's population supports some sort of territorial concession to Russia, 8% couldn't answer according to this Kyiv International Institute of Sociology poll. Was 10% support at the end of 2022 from their last poll. War fatigue is starting to set the general public.

https://twitter.com/sumnjam/status/1635233718892900353

[Woody]

From RU media:

Schools in the Zaporozhye region will cancel the compulsory study of the Ukrainian language from September 1.

Now parents will be able to choose which language - Russian or Ukrainian - their children will learn as their native language, said Elena Shapurova, Minister of Education and Science of the Zaporozhye Region.

“Some children want to study Russian as their native language, they will have 9 hours of Russian language and literature in their workload, and there will be no Ukrainian at all,” the minister noted.

[Hindsight was 2020]

https://mobile.twitter.com/PhillipsPOBrien/status/1635236559040712705
Interesting read

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Came across these two articles on an Indian news website:
https://www.easternherald.com/2023/03/12/zelenskyys-apartment-in-the-crimea-will-be-given-to-large-families/?utm_source=webpushr&utm_medium=push&utm_campaign=261982
Exactly what is says on the tin

https://www.easternherald.com/2023/03/08/h-e-president-putin-in-the-august-kremlin-bestowed-state-accolades-upon-remarkable-russian-females/
Putin giving state honors to some women