Russia-Ukraine war and related tensions Megathread

[TiltsAreUnderrated]

This thread has turned into a 2023 Military Spec Buyers Guide.

Wouldn't have gone there if there wasn't so much dishonesty about it all from the very start. Every time there's an aid delivery, you hear "game changer," "hypersonic" or something about Leopards (Doctors Hate Him! This One Neat Weapon Made Vladimir Putin Go Nuclear). Half the time you hear about these things even when there isn't an aid delivery (remember the MiGs various sources claimed were being sent which never ended up in Ukraine? Most people don't: the original story had much wider reach than the subsequent corrections). Every "NATO weapon" is automatically superior to anything Ukraine previously had according to half the pundit class that comments on this stuff, even if it's older than your grandfather.

The marketers (commercial and political) are all over this and it has led to some annoying inaccuracies. I hope to bring some clarity to the matter with my posts here.

This would all have been much simpler if Ukraine's partners hadn't drip-fed it and then patted themselves on the back very publicly, especially if aircraft had been delivered.

[Storr]

Looks like Putin will order a Christmas Truce.  It seems to be a ploy to try to remind everyone, including people in Ukraine, that Russia and Ukraine are still part of the same Eastern Orthodox civilization. 

https://twitter.com/maria_avdv/status/1611336763104006146?s=20&t=mlaBKRQWQgU...

[NOVA Green]

Ukrainian defences collapsed in Soledar after Yakovlivka/Bakhmutske fell. Wagner has now reached one of the city's salt mines. Assaulting other towns to the city's north.

60-70% of Soledar might already be under Russian control.

https://twitter.com/WarMonitor3/status/1611451982425853952?cxt=HHwWgMC8kcnCg90sA...
https://mobile.twitter.com/War_cube_/status/1611456342220328961?cxt=HHwWgsC-kazA...
https://twitter.com/AndrewPerpetua/status/1611430055925936128?cxt=HHwWgMDT_aPG-d...

Much speculation out there that the Wagner Group's real goal, especially around Bakhmut is to seize  control of Salt and Gypsum Mines around the city.

Honestly one could make an argument that for many Russian powerful boosters of Putin's Invasion, Occupation, and Seizure of Ukrainian assets since the start of their '22 "Special Operation", although quite possibly such patterns may have been observed prior after the seizure of Ukrainian territory in 2014, the goal was basically nothing more than effectively looting to increase their ownership of agricultural, manufacturing, raw material, energy resources, etc...

A close ally of the Russian president, Vladimir Putin, is interested in taking control of salt and gypsum from mines near the Ukrainian city of Bakhmut, according to a White House official.

Yevgeny Prigozhin is the founder of Russia’s most powerful mercenary force, the Wagner Group. Wagner has played a key role in the Russian offensive against Bakhmut.

There were indications that monetary motives were driving Russia’s and Prigozhin’s “obsession” with Bakhmut, the US official said.

Out of its force of nearly 50,000 mercenaries, Wagner has sustained more than 4,100 deaths and 10,000 wounded, including over 1,000 killed between late November and early December near Bakhmut, the US official said on Thursday.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jan/06/putin-ally-fighting-to-control-salt-and-gypsum-mines-near-ukraine-city-of-bakhmut-says-us

[NOVA Green]

Is this a new thing?

I mean we've seen reports from August through November regarding Turkish MRAPs in Ukraine... but curious if anybody has recent updates...

https://twitter.com/clashreport/status/1611468550190911500?s=20&t=QQ1DOlCJCU...

[TiltsAreUnderrated]

Is this a new thing?

I mean we've seen reports from August through November regarding Turkish MRAPs in Ukraine... but curious if anybody has recent updates...

https://twitter.com/clashreport/status/1611468550190911500?s=20&t=QQ1DOlCJCU...

I recall that the original Oryx report claimed 50 had been delivered and 150 more were pledged. An uptick would make sense.

A lot of the ones already in Ukraine appeared to be deployed in Kherson, and there's much less reason for vehicles to be there now.

[NOVA Green]

Is this a new thing?

I mean we've seen reports from August through November regarding Turkish MRAPs in Ukraine... but curious if anybody has recent updates...

https://twitter.com/clashreport/status/1611468550190911500?s=20&t=QQ1DOlCJCU...

I recall that the original Oryx report claimed 50 had been delivered and 150 more were pledged. An uptick would make sense.

A lot of the ones already in Ukraine appeared to be deployed in Kherson, and there's much less reason for vehicles to be there now.

Wondering if Ukraine might also be using various MRAPs as means to quickly move infantry between various parts of front lines?

Posted before I did further research, but just saw this...

https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1611486180104888320?s=20&t=QQ1DOlCJCU18...

[NOVA Green]

Meanwhile Bradley's are already in Bulgaria...

Looks like "Uncle Sam" had something up their sleeves prior to the official announcement?

https://twitter.com/clashreport/status/1611370080369102849?s=20&t=QQ1DOlCJCU...

[NOVA Green]

So although Ukraine did not get many of items on their "Holiday Wish List", seems like they are getting items that have been requested which could make a significant difference in the War...

https://twitter.com/adegrandpre/status/1611542318401687552?s=20&t=QQ1DOlCJCU...

https://twitter.com/adegrandpre/status/1611542959136071681?s=20&t=QQ1DOlCJCU...

[NOVA Green]

Update from Russian sources regarding casualties appears to confirm Ukrainian sourced regarding casualties in Makiivka.

The mother of one of the survivors of the attack on a vocational school in the city of Makiivka, which is located in the Russian-controlled part of the Donetsk region, told Important Stories that at least 112 wounded remain in a hospital in Rostov-on-Don.

“My son received a serious concussion, he has shrapnel wounds all over his body: head, legs, back. But it seems to be fading. I hoped that he would be in this group of those who returned to Samara, but no. They are sitting, waiting [for dispatch], they really want to be closer to home. Their morale, of course, is terrible: they lost so many friends ... I don’t think that it was possible to get out of this meat grinder without injury. There were about 900 of them there, ”said the interlocutor of the publication.

Also, looks like we have some Russian casualty updates from the Ukrainian strike on Makeyevka.

Today, the governor of the Samara region, Dmitry Azarov  , published on the VKontakte page a video from a meeting of 45 survivors of a missile attack in Makeyevka who arrived from Rostov-on-Don. “Specialists are ready to receive the injured servicemen, for our part we will help with everything necessary. <...> Also, some of the fighters were sent to a hospital in St. Petersburg, ”the governor wrote.

https://zona.media/chronicle/317#51875

[🇺🇦 Purple 🦄 Unicorn 🇮🇱]

With continued support from Western Europe and overseas allys, I think 2023 can bring a turnaround for my ancestrel homeland Ukraine. We must throw every (!) Russian invader out of our territory and it is moving in the right direction now with all the concentrated attacks on their positions after New Year. We must be patient, but Russian weapons are being depleted and victory is on the horizon. And then we can bring these war criminals to trial.

[TiltsAreUnderrated]

Ukrainian defences collapsed in Soledar after Yakovlivka/Bakhmutske fell. Wagner has now reached one of the city's salt mines. Assaulting other towns to the city's north.

60-70% of Soledar might already be under Russian control.

https://twitter.com/WarMonitor3/status/1611451982425853952?cxt=HHwWgMC8kcnCg90sA...
https://mobile.twitter.com/War_cube_/status/1611456342220328961?cxt=HHwWgsC-kazA...
https://twitter.com/AndrewPerpetua/status/1611430055925936128?cxt=HHwWgMDT_aPG-d...

Looks like the mine is back in Ukrainian hands, for now. Russia claimed Ukraine had (or used to have) a lot of underground positions there, which would have made a lot of sense.

https://twitter.com/DefMon3/status/1611673984738775046

[CumbrianLefty]

Interesting... why this sudden flurry of activity?

Just a lot of already planned stuff coming together, perhaps? There may be a hope that enabling a big Ukrainian push will bring the war into its closing stages sooner rather than later.

[TiltsAreUnderrated]

This thread has turned into a 2023 Military Spec Buyers Guide.

The ironic thing is I don't even like war or weapons. Every shred of interest I have here is ultimately tied to how all of this can help less Ukrainians die and more quickly expel the hordes of genocidal scumbags. I suspect once that infestation is dealt with I'll go back to loathing the military industrial complex.

Even those who don't support cuts (for me, that depends on the country) should find this point relevant. If our weapons aren't used for this, what are they used for?

In the UK's case, we've spent (cumulatively, over decades and considering the opportunity costs) a crapload on military equipment. 80% of the time it isn't used at all, 20% it's used to remind Middle Eastern children that it's not only their neighbours who hate them, and in the case of the 80%, everything which isn't scrapped is sold on to regimes which are often worse. This is justified with Someday It May Be Needed to Fight the Russians.

We're not at war with the Russians, but part of Europe is being invaded by them (it was invaded in large part because it sought to join the closest thing to a federal Europe, and also because it gave up nuclear weapons in exchange for our security guarantees). This conflict is one of the least worst ways for a very costly investment to get used up in recent decades, and every bullet fired in Ukraine is one more which can't go to Saudi Arabia.

When it comes to new procurement from industry, it at least retools our armies/production lines to look more like conventional defensive structures than militarised police forces for Middle Eastern counterinsurgencies. The sheer scale of destruction in Ukraine should be a reminder as to the need to reassess our defence spending priorities. The use of cheap, long-range drones built with consumer products is a precursor to terrorist groups/gangs doing this, and serves as a wake-up call to our industries which haven't taken ground-based air defence seriously.

[Woody]

Ukrainian defences collapsed in Soledar after Yakovlivka/Bakhmutske fell. Wagner has now reached one of the city's salt mines. Assaulting other towns to the city's north.

60-70% of Soledar might already be under Russian control.

https://twitter.com/WarMonitor3/status/1611451982425853952?cxt=HHwWgMC8kcnCg90sA...
https://mobile.twitter.com/War_cube_/status/1611456342220328961?cxt=HHwWgsC-kazA...
https://twitter.com/AndrewPerpetua/status/1611430055925936128?cxt=HHwWgMDT_aPG-d...

Looks like the mine is back in Ukrainian hands, for now. Russia claimed Ukraine had (or used to have) a lot of underground positions there, which would have made a lot of sense.

https://twitter.com/DefMon3/status/1611673984738775046

It's another mine, in the city's north.
https://twitter.com/Tendar/status/1611675189745442817?cxt=HHwWgoCzofmC6d0sAAAA

[Middle-aged Europe]

This thread has turned into a 2023 Military Spec Buyers Guide.

The ironic thing is I don't even like war or weapons. Every shred of interest I have here is ultimately tied to how all of this can help less Ukrainians die and more quickly expel the hordes of genocidal scumbags. I suspect once that infestation is dealt with I'll go back to loathing the military industrial complex.

The times have changed... quickly. This week I had a chat with a fellow German Green Party member where he confused the Marder with the Gepard and chided himself for that mistake and for incorrectly believing for a minute that the Marder had already send to Ukraine months ago. Weirdly ironic discussion given the historical roots of the Greens and all.

But... we also have the situation, apparently amplified by the post-Ukraine world, where large parts of the Green Party base including surrounding activist NGOs and/or adjacent media publications have come around in support of the CETA agreement after having "traditionally" opposed it in large-scale protests only five years ago or so. But since February last year there had been a growing "f**k it, better to have Canadian capitalists than Russian/Chinese imperialists" mood, I guess. I'm almost expecting some buyers' remorse to emerge with regards to the end of TTIP too... which would only be a logical conclusion given that Trump had killed TTIP and Trump and his followers are often such Putin fanboys, and while the Greens around here used to hate TTIP back in the days they hate Trump and Putin now even more.

I started to ramble a bit here, but that's something I have been musing about recently.

[Hollywood]

Ukrainian defences collapsed in Soledar after Yakovlivka/Bakhmutske fell. Wagner has now reached one of the city's salt mines. Assaulting other towns to the city's north.

60-70% of Soledar might already be under Russian control.

https://twitter.com/WarMonitor3/status/1611451982425853952?cxt=HHwWgMC8kcnCg90sA...
https://mobile.twitter.com/War_cube_/status/1611456342220328961?cxt=HHwWgsC-kazA...
https://twitter.com/AndrewPerpetua/status/1611430055925936128?cxt=HHwWgMDT_aPG-d...

Looks like the mine is back in Ukrainian hands, for now. Russia claimed Ukraine had (or used to have) a lot of underground positions there, which would have made a lot of sense.

https://twitter.com/DefMon3/status/1611673984738775046

Since I know where that photo of the Ukrainian Soldier was taken, I'm actually very confident that the Russians have pushed as deep into Soledar as the Andrew Perpetua tweet indicated.  The Soldier is standing right near the Salt Mine Museum on the far west side of the Salt Mine Industrial Complex.  It looks like Russia holds 40-50% of Soledar, but maintains fire control over the majority of the area.  

As opposed to Ukraine launching a large counter-offensive against Russians in Soledar, I think the 46th Airborne was tasked with covering the retreat of the main force by preventing Wagner from capturing the last road out of town. 

[Hollywood]

It's another mine, in the city's north.

Seems more likely it's the same mine, but a different shaft. It's a big mine.

It's a different mine that was decommissioned in 1990, and then it was converted into a museum.  There is a concert hall located within the mine per the link below.  I doubt it's connected to the other mines given the obvious safety issues.
https://stampostage.info/museum-of-the-salt-industry-ukraine-soledar/

[Hindsight was 2020]

This thread has turned into a 2023 Military Spec Buyers Guide.

The ironic thing is I don't even like war or weapons. Every shred of interest I have here is ultimately tied to how all of this can help less Ukrainians die and more quickly expel the hordes of genocidal scumbags. I suspect once that infestation is dealt with I'll go back to loathing the military industrial complex.

The times have changed... quickly. This week I had a chat with a fellow German Green Party member where he confused the Marder with the Gepard and chided himself for that mistake and for incorrectly believing for a minute that the Marder had already send to Ukraine months ago. Weirdly ironic discussion given the historical roots of the Greens and all.

But... we also have the situation, apparently amplified by the post-Ukraine world, where large parts of the Green Party base including surrounding activist NGOs and/or adjacent media publications have come around in support of the CETA agreement after having "traditionally" opposed it in large-scale protests only five years ago or so. But since February last year there had been a growing "f**k it, better to have Canadian capitalists than Russian/Chinese imperialists" mood, I guess. I'm almost expecting some buyers' remorse to emerge with regards to the end of TTIP too... which would only be a logical conclusion given that Trump had killed TTIP and Trump and his followers are often such Putin fanboys, and while the Greens around here used to hate TTIP back in the days they hate Trump and Putin now even more.

I started to ramble a bit here, but that's something I have been musing about recently.

I mentioned this before but there is this weird ideological disconnect going on in Western leftism both in the US and in Europe where a lot of leftist leadership is shaky at best and in some cases outright against Ukraine (see the infamous Ukraine letter here or comments by people like Noam Chomsky) vs young leftist on the ground who are firmly in the “arm Ukraine until Russia has been kicked out” camp and it has been making for some strange political bedfellows

[Middle-aged Europe]

This thread has turned into a 2023 Military Spec Buyers Guide.

The ironic thing is I don't even like war or weapons. Every shred of interest I have here is ultimately tied to how all of this can help less Ukrainians die and more quickly expel the hordes of genocidal scumbags. I suspect once that infestation is dealt with I'll go back to loathing the military industrial complex.

The times have changed... quickly. This week I had a chat with a fellow German Green Party member where he confused the Marder with the Gepard and chided himself for that mistake and for incorrectly believing for a minute that the Marder had already send to Ukraine months ago. Weirdly ironic discussion given the historical roots of the Greens and all.

But... we also have the situation, apparently amplified by the post-Ukraine world, where large parts of the Green Party base including surrounding activist NGOs and/or adjacent media publications have come around in support of the CETA agreement after having "traditionally" opposed it in large-scale protests only five years ago or so. But since February last year there had been a growing "f**k it, better to have Canadian capitalists than Russian/Chinese imperialists" mood, I guess. I'm almost expecting some buyers' remorse to emerge with regards to the end of TTIP too... which would only be a logical conclusion given that Trump had killed TTIP and Trump and his followers are often such Putin fanboys, and while the Greens around here used to hate TTIP back in the days they hate Trump and Putin now even more.

I started to ramble a bit here, but that's something I have been musing about recently.

I mentioned this before but there is this weird ideological disconnect going on in Western leftism both in the US and in Europe where a lot of leftist leadership is shaky at best and in some cases outright against Ukraine (see the infamous Ukraine letter here or comments by people like Noam Chomsky) vs young leftist on the ground who are firmly in the “arm Ukraine until Russia has been kicked out” camp and it has been making for some strange political bedfellows

Well, I think in Germany it's more a split of Greens/young SPD vs. Left Party/old SPD.

[Hindsight was 2020]

This thread has turned into a 2023 Military Spec Buyers Guide.

The ironic thing is I don't even like war or weapons. Every shred of interest I have here is ultimately tied to how all of this can help less Ukrainians die and more quickly expel the hordes of genocidal scumbags. I suspect once that infestation is dealt with I'll go back to loathing the military industrial complex.

The times have changed... quickly. This week I had a chat with a fellow German Green Party member where he confused the Marder with the Gepard and chided himself for that mistake and for incorrectly believing for a minute that the Marder had already send to Ukraine months ago. Weirdly ironic discussion given the historical roots of the Greens and all.

But... we also have the situation, apparently amplified by the post-Ukraine world, where large parts of the Green Party base including surrounding activist NGOs and/or adjacent media publications have come around in support of the CETA agreement after having "traditionally" opposed it in large-scale protests only five years ago or so. But since February last year there had been a growing "f**k it, better to have Canadian capitalists than Russian/Chinese imperialists" mood, I guess. I'm almost expecting some buyers' remorse to emerge with regards to the end of TTIP too... which would only be a logical conclusion given that Trump had killed TTIP and Trump and his followers are often such Putin fanboys, and while the Greens around here used to hate TTIP back in the days they hate Trump and Putin now even more.

I started to ramble a bit here, but that's something I have been musing about recently.

I mentioned this before but there is this weird ideological disconnect going on in Western leftism both in the US and in Europe where a lot of leftist leadership is shaky at best and in some cases outright against Ukraine (see the infamous Ukraine letter here or comments by people like Noam Chomsky) vs young leftist on the ground who are firmly in the “arm Ukraine until Russia has been kicked out” camp and it has been making for some strange political bedfellows

Well, I think in Germany it's more a split of Greens/young SPD vs. Left Party/old SPD.

Yeah that generational divide is something I was trying to get at too. I think it’s because younger generations in politics today came post cold war and thus hold no nostalgia for Russia/USSR

[Hindsight was 2020]

https://mobile.twitter.com/Tendar/status/1611713677782093825

[OSR stands with Israel]

This thread has turned into a 2023 Military Spec Buyers Guide.

The ironic thing is I don't even like war or weapons. Every shred of interest I have here is ultimately tied to how all of this can help less Ukrainians die and more quickly expel the hordes of genocidal scumbags. I suspect once that infestation is dealt with I'll go back to loathing the military industrial complex.

The times have changed... quickly. This week I had a chat with a fellow German Green Party member where he confused the Marder with the Gepard and chided himself for that mistake and for incorrectly believing for a minute that the Marder had already send to Ukraine months ago. Weirdly ironic discussion given the historical roots of the Greens and all.

But... we also have the situation, apparently amplified by the post-Ukraine world, where large parts of the Green Party base including surrounding activist NGOs and/or adjacent media publications have come around in support of the CETA agreement after having "traditionally" opposed it in large-scale protests only five years ago or so. But since February last year there had been a growing "f**k it, better to have Canadian capitalists than Russian/Chinese imperialists" mood, I guess. I'm almost expecting some buyers' remorse to emerge with regards to the end of TTIP too... which would only be a logical conclusion given that Trump had killed TTIP and Trump and his followers are often such Putin fanboys, and while the Greens around here used to hate TTIP back in the days they hate Trump and Putin now even more.

I started to ramble a bit here, but that's something I have been musing about recently.

I mentioned this before but there is this weird ideological disconnect going on in Western leftism both in the US and in Europe where a lot of leftist leadership is shaky at best and in some cases outright against Ukraine (see the infamous Ukraine letter here or comments by people like Noam Chomsky) vs young leftist on the ground who are firmly in the “arm Ukraine until Russia has been kicked out” camp and it has been making for some strange political bedfellows

Well, I think in Germany it's more a split of Greens/young SPD vs. Left Party/old SPD.

Yeah that generational divide is something I was trying to get at too. I think it’s because younger generations in politics today came post cold war and thus hold no nostalgia for Russia/USSR

In the US it’s the opposite with older Americans far more in favor of arming ukraine than younger ones

[Hindsight was 2020]

This thread has turned into a 2023 Military Spec Buyers Guide.

The ironic thing is I don't even like war or weapons. Every shred of interest I have here is ultimately tied to how all of this can help less Ukrainians die and more quickly expel the hordes of genocidal scumbags. I suspect once that infestation is dealt with I'll go back to loathing the military industrial complex.

The times have changed... quickly. This week I had a chat with a fellow German Green Party member where he confused the Marder with the Gepard and chided himself for that mistake and for incorrectly believing for a minute that the Marder had already send to Ukraine months ago. Weirdly ironic discussion given the historical roots of the Greens and all.

But... we also have the situation, apparently amplified by the post-Ukraine world, where large parts of the Green Party base including surrounding activist NGOs and/or adjacent media publications have come around in support of the CETA agreement after having "traditionally" opposed it in large-scale protests only five years ago or so. But since February last year there had been a growing "f**k it, better to have Canadian capitalists than Russian/Chinese imperialists" mood, I guess. I'm almost expecting some buyers' remorse to emerge with regards to the end of TTIP too... which would only be a logical conclusion given that Trump had killed TTIP and Trump and his followers are often such Putin fanboys, and while the Greens around here used to hate TTIP back in the days they hate Trump and Putin now even more.

I started to ramble a bit here, but that's something I have been musing about recently.

I mentioned this before but there is this weird ideological disconnect going on in Western leftism both in the US and in Europe where a lot of leftist leadership is shaky at best and in some cases outright against Ukraine (see the infamous Ukraine letter here or comments by people like Noam Chomsky) vs young leftist on the ground who are firmly in the “arm Ukraine until Russia has been kicked out” camp and it has been making for some strange political bedfellows

Well, I think in Germany it's more a split of Greens/young SPD vs. Left Party/old SPD.

Yeah that generational divide is something I was trying to get at too. I think it’s because younger generations in politics today came post cold war and thus hold no nostalgia for Russia/USSR

In the US it’s the opposite with older Americans far more in favor of arming ukraine than younger ones

I disagree the biggest anti-Ukraine people need to be Tucker Carlson brain melted zombies who don’t tend to be in the “young camp”

[OSR stands with Israel]

This thread has turned into a 2023 Military Spec Buyers Guide.

The ironic thing is I don't even like war or weapons. Every shred of interest I have here is ultimately tied to how all of this can help less Ukrainians die and more quickly expel the hordes of genocidal scumbags. I suspect once that infestation is dealt with I'll go back to loathing the military industrial complex.

The times have changed... quickly. This week I had a chat with a fellow German Green Party member where he confused the Marder with the Gepard and chided himself for that mistake and for incorrectly believing for a minute that the Marder had already send to Ukraine months ago. Weirdly ironic discussion given the historical roots of the Greens and all.

But... we also have the situation, apparently amplified by the post-Ukraine world, where large parts of the Green Party base including surrounding activist NGOs and/or adjacent media publications have come around in support of the CETA agreement after having "traditionally" opposed it in large-scale protests only five years ago or so. But since February last year there had been a growing "f**k it, better to have Canadian capitalists than Russian/Chinese imperialists" mood, I guess. I'm almost expecting some buyers' remorse to emerge with regards to the end of TTIP too... which would only be a logical conclusion given that Trump had killed TTIP and Trump and his followers are often such Putin fanboys, and while the Greens around here used to hate TTIP back in the days they hate Trump and Putin now even more.

I started to ramble a bit here, but that's something I have been musing about recently.

I mentioned this before but there is this weird ideological disconnect going on in Western leftism both in the US and in Europe where a lot of leftist leadership is shaky at best and in some cases outright against Ukraine (see the infamous Ukraine letter here or comments by people like Noam Chomsky) vs young leftist on the ground who are firmly in the “arm Ukraine until Russia has been kicked out” camp and it has been making for some strange political bedfellows

Well, I think in Germany it's more a split of Greens/young SPD vs. Left Party/old SPD.

Yeah that generational divide is something I was trying to get at too. I think it’s because younger generations in politics today came post cold war and thus hold no nostalgia for Russia/USSR

In the US it’s the opposite with older Americans far more in favor of arming ukraine than younger ones

I disagree the biggest anti-Ukraine people need to be Tucker Carlson brain melted zombies who don’t tend to be in the “young camp”

https://news.gallup.com/poll/401168/americans-back-ukrainian-goal-reclaiming-territory.aspx

65+ is at 75% and 18-29 is at 63%


Keep in mind that even if older Tucker viewers are the most pro Russia people , they dont  make up anywhere near the population as most people think . Most voters from both sides probably don’t even follow the news

[Hollywood]

In the most recent video disseminated by Ukraine regarding the situation for the 46th Brigade in Soledar, the soldier claims to be located in the center of the town, and assert that Ukrainian forces pushed Wagner back towards their previous positions.  I can't help noticing that the reporter in this video is located on the road in the extreme southwestern outskirt of Soledar.  
https://twitter.com/KnabeSanny/status/1611765861010018304

Seems pretty obvious to me that whatever counter-attack the Ukrainians managed to launch last night helped to slow down the Russian advance through the Salt Industrial Complex and the Downtown Areas. However, Russian Forces have begun pushing around the the northern and southern outskirts (fields) of Soledar, and they look extremely close to attaining total fire control around the entire town.  
https://twitter.com/Suriyakmaps/status/1611755701856092163?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7...