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« Reply #17275 on: November 15, 2022, 02:46:11 PM »
The Kremlin coping and spinning has started. Really interesting how they spread this "Nazi" narrative about Poland too.
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« Reply #17276 on: November 15, 2022, 02:47:03 PM »
Quote from: DavidB. on November 15, 2022, 02:46:11 PM
The Kremlin coping and spinning has started. Really interesting how they spread this "Nazi" narrative about Poland too.



POLAND started World War II? That takes victim blaming to a whole new level. Wow.
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« Reply #17277 on: November 15, 2022, 02:54:27 PM »
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« Reply #17278 on: November 15, 2022, 02:57:09 PM »
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« Reply #17279 on: November 15, 2022, 02:58:37 PM »
Quote from: SirWoodbury on November 15, 2022, 02:57:09 PM

The Russian defense ministry, known for its honesty and reliability.
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« Reply #17280 on: November 15, 2022, 03:05:03 PM »
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« Reply #17281 on: November 15, 2022, 03:14:16 PM »
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« Reply #17282 on: November 15, 2022, 03:33:56 PM »
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« Reply #17283 on: November 15, 2022, 03:46:58 PM »


I swear to you that this is exactly the case

And by the way reaction from the Russian state media
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« Reply #17284 on: November 15, 2022, 03:50:16 PM »
Aren't there likely many explosives and ammunitions in the area? I'd say everyone chills until more details come out.

And I say this as someone who believes we should respond firmly and ferociously if it is confirmed that the Ruskies actually did bomb NATO territory.
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« Reply #17285 on: November 15, 2022, 03:55:54 PM »
« Edited: November 15, 2022, 03:58:55 PM by Person Man »
Quote from: Primadonna Socialist on November 15, 2022, 03:50:16 PM
Aren't there likely many explosives and ammunitions in the area? I'd say everyone chills until more details come out.

And I say this as someone who believes we should respond firmly and ferociously if it is confirmed that the Ruskies actually did bomb NATO territory.

I’d be OK with sending in some advisors. That would be an adequate response.

There has to be something different. Then again, there’s about a 5% chance that Christmas will be a bit unconventional this year.
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« Reply #17286 on: November 15, 2022, 04:11:25 PM »
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« Reply #17287 on: November 15, 2022, 04:18:08 PM »
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« Reply #17288 on: November 15, 2022, 04:20:16 PM »
I don't want World War III to happen, but we can't just let Putin have all of Europe. One silver lining of WWIII, however, would be that it might help Biden get re-elected; I see Trump as more dangerous than Putin.
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« Reply #17289 on: November 15, 2022, 04:27:34 PM »
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« Reply #17290 on: November 15, 2022, 04:42:48 PM »
US and Polish Presidents talking now.
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« Reply #17291 on: November 15, 2022, 04:56:59 PM »
Pro UA OSINT reporting it is a UA S300 missile, likely went off course.
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« Reply #17292 on: November 15, 2022, 04:59:04 PM »
Is AndyHogan going to be calling for Article 5 against Ukraine now?
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« Reply #17293 on: November 15, 2022, 05:04:51 PM »
Quote from: Omega21 on November 15, 2022, 04:56:59 PM
Pro UA OSINT reporting it is a UA S300 missile, likely went off course.


We're getting conflicting reports, which has been common in this war. Obviously what happened and who fired whatever landed in Poland should be determined before any action is taken. We don't want another USS Maine situation.
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« Reply #17294 on: November 15, 2022, 05:07:41 PM »
Poland wouldn’t be holding a meeting discussing article 4 if it was a Ukrainian missile that went off course
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« Reply #17295 on: November 15, 2022, 05:12:33 PM »
Quote from: Hindsight was 2020 on November 15, 2022, 05:07:41 PM
Poland wouldn’t be holding a meeting discussing article 4 if it was a Ukrainian missile that went off course
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« Reply #17296 on: November 15, 2022, 05:17:19 PM »
What is article 4? Does it mean war?
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« Reply #17297 on: November 15, 2022, 05:24:14 PM »
Quote from: Storr on November 15, 2022, 05:04:51 PM
Quote from: Omega21 on November 15, 2022, 04:56:59 PM
Pro UA OSINT reporting it is a UA S300 missile, likely went off course.


We're getting conflicting reports, which has been common in this war. Obviously what happened and who fired whatever landed in Poland should be determined before any action is taken. We don't want another USS Maine situation.



I'm sticking to believing those who provide clear photographic evidence & comparisons, not just words.
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« Reply #17298 on: November 15, 2022, 05:26:21 PM »

It means... consultation!!!!


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The Parties will consult together whenever, in the opinion of any of them, the territorial integrity, political independence or security of any of the Parties is threatened.
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« Reply #17299 on: November 15, 2022, 05:28:08 PM »
« Edited: November 15, 2022, 06:03:41 PM by Logical »
In simple terms
Article 4: Inviting your friends to sit in your porch and stare daggers at your annoying neighbor.
Article 5: Inviting your friends to beat the crap out of your neighbor who is throwing rocks at your window.
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