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« on: November 05, 2021, 09:44:25 AM »
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November 5th, 2021 in Detroit, Michigan


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Hello my beautiful people.  Atlasians of all political beliefs, background, race, sexuality.  Today, I am here to announce I am creating a new party – the Patriot Party – and that I will be running for President in the upcoming February election.  It will be a beautiful thing.  For the past eight consecutive elections, the working class have been tossed aside by politicians embracing corporate elitism and special interests.  It is occurring on both sides, both sides.  The Federalists, a bunch of fake conservatives, keep putting out weak platforms and even weaker candidates, attempting to reach out to people who will vote Labor no matter what.  And when the election gets taken from them, what do they do?  Blame it on the voter rather than enact policy and change things. They just run on the same promises that hurt the working people. It’s the same boring shtick, over and over, and they lose every time.  Patriotic voices of all backgrounds are looking for real change in Atlasia, and I'm here to deliver on that.

This is your chance to stick it to the man.  I have zero political experience, none whatsoever.  I am a businessman, and politics is a dirty game.  Yet look what has happened. Eight straight terms of socialism  I hold no malice for our new President, Scott, but he is another member of the establishment.  Who do we have to blame for this?  Bureaucrats. Are you sick and tired yet?  I know I am.  I want to bring back small businesses.  I love the little guys!  Patriots, red-blooded Atlasians of all backgrounds and political views, I am calling on you.  You won’t regret voting for me.  In the next few weeks, I will be vetting for an exceptional Vice-Presidential candidate, one which shares my vision of making Atlasia great again, and together, we will drain the swamp and get rid of the corruption.  Thank you very much, and may Dave bless Atlasia.




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« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2021, 04:10:15 PM »

This will make it much easier for the Labor party to win elections!

This is definitely not my intention.  With ranked choice voting, Atlasians can cast their ballots for the candidates who best represent their views without fears of spoiling their ballot.  A strong third party finish could increase federalist support, if anything.
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« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2021, 11:17:11 AM »


You look at Trump and see a champion for your side, I look at Trump and see a disaster who failed to meet his most basic promises and relies on hollow branding and marketing to keep people like you thinking he is a hero. He is every bit as corrupt and criminally so as the people he is nominally opposed to, the so called establishment.


How could you say something like this and not expect to lose conservative support?  You are proving my point, Senator. 
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« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2021, 05:45:57 PM »


Conservatism is not defined by love of Trump. Conservatism is an ideology, a political philosophy, a behavioral standard and a way of life. All of those come before support or devotion to any single mortal man.

For conservatism to succeed in game, it has to be self aware as to what constitutes conservatism here separate and apart from the real life demographics (Atlasia votes like New York State in real life mind you). Trumpism is a niche sure, but it is not the whole affair and success will surely depend on maintaining a degree of unity with people who cannot stand Trump, that your approach doesn't account for. There has always been a sizeable contingent of Never Trumpers, and now there is probably an even larger contingent of "Post Trumpers" (people like myself who supported Trump at one point and now want to move on).

I don't believe in cancel culture. I will never prevent you or anyone else from embracing Trump or Trumpism, but on the flip side, however I demand for myself and the others the right to speak our minds likewise.

I also don't do safe spacing. I voice my opinions, I encourage you to voice yours. But I will stand up for myself and I won't be silenced.

I have also been saying the same things about Trump for two years now, as stated in the above post about him being corrupt (I think all politicians are crooks with few exceptions) and relying on hollow marketing to maintain his support.

I don't think we can say what works or doesn't work in Atlasia until its tried.  My ultimate goal is not to win the election outright, but to gain support on the right, energize the base, and boost turnout for conservative causes.  I feel like a segment of the community has been totally ignored for too long, and the Federalists have taken that for granted.  You cannot say with a straight face that trying to appeal to moderates is the answer after losing eight straight elections, right?  Plus, the closest elections where Federalists actually stood a chance, with LouisvilleThunder and YoungTexan, they ran pretty hard to the right compared to more moderate candidates like OSR and Joseph Cao or Federalist endorsed Peace candidates.

I respect your views on IRL politics, and you certainly have a right to say what you wish.  I am not preventing you from doing so.  While I am embracing Trumpism for my campaign I feel like we should be able to differentiate between fun in-game rhetoric and real life politics.  I support Trump right now, but I have not always held a favorable view of him.  My in-game character is for fun, because, well, this is a game, and it's supposed to be fun, right?

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« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2021, 09:29:52 PM »

what are your thoughts on the recent sanctions imposed on China by Scott

They are a decent start.  As president, I will defend Taiwan at all costs from communist China.
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« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2021, 02:12:52 PM »
« Edited: November 10, 2021, 02:15:54 PM by DabbingSanta »


November 10th, 2021 in Amarillo, Texas

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Atlasia – the political elite fear the truth.  Everyone should be worried at the backlash you have seen towards my candidacy.  This is just the beginning.  Nobody said the path forward wasn’t going to be difficult.  Everyone advised me against this, yet here I am.  I believe we patriots will persevere despite all of this negativity.  The establishment is obviously going to hate me, because I am everything they stand against.  The Federalists, a failing party long before I announced my candidacy, are scared.  The Labor Party, they’ve been in power for eight consecutive terms.  Neither party is the answer for what this country needs. President Scott says he is different, but he is member of the same party that has caused this mess.  Atlasia is a declining state.  And now we have the political elite of all sides, of all sides, endorsing President Scott over my candidacy.  They don’t want me to succeed and bring a strong and conservative agenda to our once great nation.  It is painfully clear to me that these people are playing politics.  They do not deserve your vote.  My fellow countrymen, it is time that we drain the swamp and make Atlasia great again.  I believe it is possible, but I can’t do it without you.  Thank you, and may Dave bless Atlasia.

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« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2021, 08:12:24 AM »


November 11th, 2021 in Fort Riley, Kansas

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Hello and good morning to my fellow patriots, Atlasians of all backgrounds.  We are gathered here today to remember the lives of those lost and commemorate those who have had the great honor of serving our beautiful nation.  As president, I will make sure our veterans and fallen heroes are not forgotten.  Under recent governments, we have seen attack after attack on our great military institutions, and attacks on our citizenry as a free people, and I will not stand by any longer.   We will not forget why people fought and sacrificed their lives for our great country.  Anarchists, communists, and other hateful and deadly ideologies have no place here.  Hysteria to a pandemic which has a death rate lower than 1 in a 1000 in young adults, it has no place here.  Under my administration, freedom for all Atlasians will be my number one priority.  The Patriot Party will run the most pro-military, most pro-freedom platform of all time.  We will not stand by any longer and watch as our democracy erodes. Thank you, and may Dave bless Atlasia.  
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« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2021, 08:13:39 AM »

Why haven't you officially registered the Patriot Party in the New Register Thread yet?

All done now!
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« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2021, 08:54:39 AM »

I'd be interested in running for elected office under this banner

For sure, we'd love to have you.  Welcome! Smiley 
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« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2021, 11:03:35 AM »

EDIT: I wanted to add that I like and respect many of the people now a part of the Patriot Party (including Dabbing Santa ofc) so if the Patriot Party continues to grow/exist our two parties should work as closely as possible as equals instead of competing. RCV helps us in this aim, thankfully.

I agree with this.  I don't want to be a spoiler candidate, my goal is to boost conservative turnout and get people interested in Atlasia politics again.  RCV can definitely be used to our benefit here. 
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« Reply #10 on: November 14, 2021, 06:10:25 PM »
« Edited: January 14, 2022, 12:44:27 PM by Dabbing Santa »

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« Reply #11 on: November 15, 2021, 09:25:45 AM »
« Edited: January 14, 2022, 12:44:46 PM by Dabbing Santa »


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« Reply #12 on: November 17, 2021, 11:20:25 AM »


November 17th, 2021 in Kenosha, Wisconsin

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Good morning fellow patriots.  Today is a great day.  Today, we are two weeks into a campaign everyone said would be impossible, and we are three months from the most important election in our great nation’s history.  We have establishment candidates of both major parties spreading lies and misinformation about the Patriot agenda, targeting new members of my party with fake news and propaganda.  Let me clear up everything and tell you the truth, like I always do.  I am the only candidate who is going to bring real change to this country.  Eight terms of Labor rule have failed us.  Eight terms of weak opposition have failed us.  Neither party is the answer for our lack of representation in Nyman – they are the problem.  We need peace in the streets, an end to this social justice madness, and a full return to normal.  I will not delve into the attacks these candidates are saying about me, but let the record be known that if you have my back I have yours.  I know my support is way higher than what the fake news media is saying.  Believe me, I think we have a shot in February, at least a shot at changing things.  And if by some miracle I do win, things are going to change around here to the likes no one has ever seen before. Together, we’re going to drain the swamp and make Atlasia great again. Thank you, and may Dave bless Atlasia.
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« Reply #13 on: November 17, 2021, 05:03:24 PM »

The streets are peaceful. What "social justice madness"?

The communist party got 17% of the vote in the October elections.  Anarchist groups and secessionists like Wulfric wish to disrupt the nation's social order, regardless of your acknowledgement.  

Also, not that I would ever expect either of our justices to sign off on a president repealing laws with executive orders, but what you are advocating for is tyranny and lawlessness.

I would argue that passing a national vaccine mandate is tyranny.  What's worse is that everyone supports it.  How I repeal the mandate when I win bigly is up for debate, but if an executive order is determined to be unconstitutional, I will seek other legal ways to get it done.

Chaos does generate activity I suppose. Just keep in mind that Trumpism and Trump-like behavior will not help the right win any elections and refusing, as a new player, to learn how the game works doesn't earn you any friends or supporters.

I'm not here to make friends with the establishment.  The voters are largely not engaged with what's happening anyway, so it all comes down to first appearances and turnout drives.  I know my chances of winning outright are near zero, but I feel my candidacy can boost turnout and help conservative causes win, as what happened this week when Utah Neolib defeated S019.  Remember, federalists endorsed Utah Neolib before Greg came along, who I might add was inspired to run by my amazing new party.

I would consider listening to Yankee, though. He's seen this movie before.

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« Reply #14 on: November 19, 2021, 09:39:26 AM »
« Edited: January 14, 2022, 12:45:26 PM by Dabbing Santa »


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« Reply #15 on: November 19, 2021, 09:21:08 PM »


You are aware that The South has a near blanket criminal ban on abortion after 14 weeks, and just passed a civil heartbeat ban, right? So second trimester largely cannot be aborted there.

Lincoln is somewhat pro-choice but still has a very strong 20 week ban recently upheld by SCOA, plus born-alive protections.

Not sure on the exact strength of Fremont's statute (apparently it has a 24 week ban but I haven't read it), and the Federal Government has a gentleman's agreement to not legislate on the topic and leave it to the regions, but again, at least 2 of those regions, unlike the RL US, actually do notably restrict the practice.


Yes, I am aware that it is currently characterized as a regional issue and that state level legislation regulates the legality.  However,  I still believe that it's still an issue worth addressing at the national level, given that 2nd trimester is still common in Lincoln and Fremont.  I would be willing to violate convention and encourage nation level restrictions on this issue.  
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« Reply #16 on: November 20, 2021, 09:24:14 AM »


This was the game that Foucaulf tried to play in 2015 from the opposite direction.

He ran hyper anti life but pro-regionalist and tried to wedge conservatism apart in game to satisfy the wishful thinking of the AtlasforumIRC cult's quest for centralism ever after. They assumed we would second preference him and help him into the final round to beat Labor and he might have done so even.

However, we ran a devout federalist who was solidly pro-life and and solidly pro-region, and powered him into the final round. It gave labor that election, but it enabled the federalist conservative revival that would dominate the game from 2016 to 2018. Sometimes you do have to stand on principle and sacrificing one wing of the plane for the sake of the other half will just crash the plane and let the leftists and centralists laugh all the way to the bank.

I have seen it happen.  


This reads as a veiled threat to boycott the Patriot Party ticket entirely, even if we are beating the Federalists (which seems rather unlikely at the moment).  Would you support President Scott over my ticket in the final round?  We both have strong opinions and you're welcome to do as you wish, but I would definitely get supporters to vote Federalist on the second preference provided you nominate a suitable candidate and not someone like OSR or Joseph Cao.  I started this campaign because I felt like the Feds were ignoring a significant portion of their base, and that this is why they keep losing.  I still believe this.
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« Reply #17 on: November 20, 2021, 09:28:57 AM »

I'm going to wait to endorse any ticket since I jumped the gun and had to rescind my endorsement twice (oof) in the last election but I really like this ticket and I think y'all should run for the Federalist endorsement!

EDIT: I do like Cao and OSR personally and politically. I wrote my post before I read Dabbing Santa's post but I submitted it after he wrote his most recent most. My interest in his ticket still stands, though.

Thank you for your support.  I don't dislike OSR and Cao personally, they're both good people, but I don't agree with them politically.  I think they ran their campaigns as moderates in an effort to appeal to voters who simply don't exist, and it's an old and worn political strategy.  I would accept the Federalist nomination, but I have strong doubts Senator Yankee and other establishment figures would even consider this.
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« Reply #18 on: November 21, 2021, 02:53:33 PM »

I will step in to say that from a purely strategic perspective I think this running mate selection is probably the first major misstep you’ve made. At the moment your biggest weakness is that you’re completely unknown on the forum; mostly just active on discord and haven’t really done anything even on this board before this; thus it’s harder for people to take you as a serious actor. I will credit you for working to break this perception with sustained activity on the board since you founded this party.

However an ideal choice for both the running mate here and also for a general partner in running this party would ideally be someone who has a lot of credibility to on-forum conservatives and is seen as at least a semi-serious forum user. Instead this pick does the opposite. I’d think again about this if I were you.

Anyway, I look forward to seeing where you’re able to take this.

I appreciate the analysis.  I had numerous people in mind for VP, including a Federalist candidate from a recent presidential election, but everyone I approached expressed zero interest.  FDB was the first person to be interested in running.  I think there's fear about upsetting the establishment and how that could damage their future political aspirations.  Yankee and the old players still have a lot of influence on the game.  While two outsides might seem like a bit much, it does send a strong message to the establishment that there's big discontent about how things are being run around here.
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« Reply #19 on: November 25, 2021, 09:01:38 AM »
« Edited: January 14, 2022, 12:43:53 PM by Dabbing Santa »

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« Reply #20 on: November 30, 2021, 10:37:36 AM »
« Edited: December 04, 2021, 04:59:28 PM by DabbingSanta »


Platform:

1)   As president, I will drain the swamp and make Atlasia great again.  We will rid this nation of corruption and make sure our elections are free and fair for all.  Incidents like the June 2021 election debacle will not happen again with better voting laws.  We are a nation with great potential.

2)   As president, I will repeal SB-105-02 and seek to ban COVID-19 related restrictions including any remaining mask laws and vaccination mandates for all regions of our great country.  We need to accept that this illness is endemic worldwide and that past restrictions have not worked.

3)   As president, I will be an advocate for the rights of the unborn.  I will work with fellow conservative colleagues in the Senate and seek to end second trimester abortion.

4)   As president, I will defend Atlasians of all backgrounds from tax increases and predatory behavior from giant corporations and leftist governments.  We will cut income taxes for working class citizens and do more to keep the elite out of private citizen’s affairs.

5)   As president, I will support our troops and do everything in my power to end unnecessary conflicts over seas.  We don’t need to send people off to certain death, fighting in Korea or China or elsewhere.  Atlasian interests come first, not those of backwards countries many of us can't locate on a map.

6)   As president, I will introduce sweeping reforms to our immigration system. We need to limit the number of people we are taking in from other countries.  We need to enact tougher laws that impose real penalties on illegal immigration.


On the issues:

-   I stand opposed to Wulfricism and other secessionist movements, and believe we can work together, regardless of political affiliation, to get things done.  I believe we can make Atlasia great again and the preservation of the union is of utmost importance.

-   I am opposed to SB-105-07.  Climate change is a natural process that occurs regardless of human intervention or activity.  We cannot throw money at this problem and expect things to change, especially without cooperation from China and other large countries.

-   I do not support federalism.  We need some form of intervention and power at the federal level to introduce meaningful policy change.  Supporting conservativism but believing that state level governments should have total control does little for those living under Labor rule.

-   I support the legalization of marijuana and the decriminalization of drug addiction.  We need to do more to punish drug dealers and cartels, often funded by elite interests, and less to punish people who are victims of society at large.  

-   I will not challenge existing laws on gay marriage.  It is a settled issue.  I believe in equality for all Atlasians, regardless of sexuality, race, gender, or religion.  A lot of these wedge issues are promoted by the fake news media in order to divide us.  A strong Atlasia is a united one.

-   I support the right to bear arms, and I believe that existing gun control laws are unconstitutional.
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« Reply #21 on: November 30, 2021, 09:10:11 PM »

Mostly based

I'd prioritize different issues (immigration, trade, and guns)

Feel free to shoot me a message with ideas.  I am open to adding positions on the platform, especially from fellow party members.

May I say, as LT's running mate back in June, that there was no fraud in that election. Sev won fairly and I want no part in any "big lie" redux.

LT did not refuse to concede the election for no reason.  The moderator in question who invalidated the votes was a Labor supporter. It should have been pursued, but the weak Federalist party did not want to back him up.  He is welcome to join the Patriots if he wants!  With better election laws, there will be zero election fraud.  Every vote should count.
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« Reply #22 on: November 30, 2021, 09:35:52 PM »

Will the Patriot Party run candidates for the Senate in the December midterms?

Greg the Great is campaigning for Lincoln's general court, but I am not aware of any other candidates running at this time.  If any party members or dissatisfied conservatives are interested, please reach out! 
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« Reply #23 on: December 01, 2021, 09:20:03 AM »
« Edited: January 14, 2022, 12:44:10 PM by Dabbing Santa »

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« Reply #24 on: December 03, 2021, 07:44:25 PM »


December 3rd, 2021 address

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Hello and good evening to everyone, especially the amazing people who continue to stick by my side.  Tonight, I am here to address concerns the media and establishment have brought up in recent weeks regarding my candidacy.  First off, I am not for abolishing state governments.  My comments about federalism were addressing excuses made by current politicians who have tainted conservatism and given the Labor party eight straight election victories.  We cannot let limited government be an excuse for inaction and lollygagging while liberals and socialists continue to radically shift our society.  Let it be known that I will respect the rights of states to govern themselves, as long as they do not violate federal law.  We are a nation of states, and I respect our democratic institutions without question.

My other point is about the June 2021 presidential election and allegations of voter fraud.  I accept that the election was certified for Sev, who was in my opinion quite a terrible president.  I mean, look at the mess we’re in.  But I digress.  The problem we have here is that legitimate ballots were cast aside by picayune and outdated voting laws by politically biased vote counters.  There have been efforts to fix this, and I applaud them.  But I still believe we need to do more to make sure that every vote counts.  And let the record be known that I am the only candidate who supports this.  The establishment does not want new voters or new parties, and they will do everything in their power to keep the status quo running this country.  And I say to hell with them.  It’s two sides of the same coin, and everyone knows it.  We need to take action now and drain the swamp to make Atlasia truly great again.  Thank you, and may Dave bless this great nation of ours.
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