Patriot Party: DabbingSanta/GregTheGreat ticket
       |           

Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?
March 28, 2024, 09:54:12 AM
News: Election Simulator 2.0 Released. Senate/Gubernatorial maps, proportional electoral votes, and more - Read more

  Talk Elections
  Atlas Fantasy Elections
  Atlas Fantasy Elections (Moderators: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee, Lumine)
  Patriot Party: DabbingSanta/GregTheGreat ticket
« previous next »
Pages: 1 2 3 [4] 5 6 7 8 9
Author Topic: Patriot Party: DabbingSanta/GregTheGreat ticket  (Read 8681 times)
Sestak
jk2020
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 13,268
Ukraine


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #75 on: November 21, 2021, 09:09:47 AM »

I will step in to say that from a purely strategic perspective I think this running mate selection is probably the first major misstep you’ve made. At the moment your biggest weakness is that you’re completely unknown on the forum; mostly just active on discord and haven’t really done anything even on this board before this; thus it’s harder for people to take you as a serious actor. I will credit you for working to break this perception with sustained activity on the board since you founded this party.

However an ideal choice for both the running mate here and also for a general partner in running this party would ideally be someone who has a lot of credibility to on-forum conservatives and is seen as at least a semi-serious forum user. Instead this pick does the opposite. I’d think again about this if I were you.

Anyway, I look forward to seeing where you’re able to take this.
Logged
Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee
North Carolina Yankee
Moderator
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 54,123
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #76 on: November 21, 2021, 12:46:58 PM »

IMO Cao lost since he announced his bid relatively close to election weekend and thus lost the support of DAers who had endorsed (and voted for) Scott when it was assumed that Spark would be the Federalist candidate.

Also, Scott, being pro-gun, makes him an exceptionally strong Laborite candidate and highly appealing to swing voters.*

*since while Atlasia is heavily left-wing, Atlasia is about 50/50 on guns with a sizeable pro-gun Laborite minority and likewise, there is a substantial minority of pro-life and anti-PC Laborites (at least in my opinion).

Atlasia has a different political alignment from real life, its almost like there is a sizable rural contingent that votes on issues like unions and workers rights and thus the left party has a large pro-gun and even pro-life contingent like the Democrats did 20 years ago. Perhaps this is an indicator of what a Democratic Party could be if it wasn't dominated by donors and neoliberals.  Pro-gun socialists and leftwing populists. Tongue



Atlasia has a ton of things, but I don't think "a sizable rural contingent" is one of them Tongue

"Almost like" serves a purpose in there Tack. As in a bunch of decidedly non-rural people who are registered in Western states and embrace certain rural populist issues. Tongue
Logged
The world will shine with light in our nightmare
Just Passion Through
Atlas Legend
*****
Posts: 45,174
Norway


Political Matrix
E: -6.32, S: -7.48

P P P

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #77 on: November 21, 2021, 02:11:24 PM »

Atlasia has a ton of things, but I don't think "a sizable rural contingent" is one of them Tongue

"Almost like" serves a purpose in there Tack. As in a bunch of decidedly non-rural people who are registered in Western states and embrace certain rural populist issues. Tongue

Logged
Continential
The Op
Atlas Politician
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 10,543
Political Matrix
E: 1.10, S: -5.30

P P P

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #78 on: November 21, 2021, 02:44:34 PM »

IMO Cao lost since he announced his bid relatively close to election weekend and thus lost the support of DAers who had endorsed (and voted for) Scott when it was assumed that Spark would be the Federalist candidate.

Also the obvious reality is that Cao/OSR just aren't as aggressive vote hunters as YT/LT. They are more like ATlasia of yore, put yourself out there, do a little GOTV and you were competitive. Now its all about GOTV and AFE board has declined with less campaigns, less speeches, debates, etc.
It does feel like in order to run a successful campaign in Atlasia, you should post a thread and make one speech and focus on GOTV after that.
Logged
DabbingSanta
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 1,679
United States
P P P
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #79 on: November 21, 2021, 02:53:33 PM »

I will step in to say that from a purely strategic perspective I think this running mate selection is probably the first major misstep you’ve made. At the moment your biggest weakness is that you’re completely unknown on the forum; mostly just active on discord and haven’t really done anything even on this board before this; thus it’s harder for people to take you as a serious actor. I will credit you for working to break this perception with sustained activity on the board since you founded this party.

However an ideal choice for both the running mate here and also for a general partner in running this party would ideally be someone who has a lot of credibility to on-forum conservatives and is seen as at least a semi-serious forum user. Instead this pick does the opposite. I’d think again about this if I were you.

Anyway, I look forward to seeing where you’re able to take this.

I appreciate the analysis.  I had numerous people in mind for VP, including a Federalist candidate from a recent presidential election, but everyone I approached expressed zero interest.  FDB was the first person to be interested in running.  I think there's fear about upsetting the establishment and how that could damage their future political aspirations.  Yankee and the old players still have a lot of influence on the game.  While two outsides might seem like a bit much, it does send a strong message to the establishment that there's big discontent about how things are being run around here.
Logged
GM Team Member and Senator WB
weatherboy1102
Atlas Politician
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 13,622
United States


Political Matrix
E: -7.61, S: -7.83

P
WWW Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #80 on: November 21, 2021, 03:16:23 PM »

don't search eff dee bee on youtube, worst decision of my life
Logged
Crane
Atlas Politician
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 9,080


Political Matrix
E: -8.16, S: 3.22

P
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #81 on: November 21, 2021, 04:45:11 PM »

don't search eff dee bee on youtube, worst decision of my life

Do you like jazz?
Logged
Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee
North Carolina Yankee
Moderator
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 54,123
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #82 on: November 21, 2021, 07:14:37 PM »

I will step in to say that from a purely strategic perspective I think this running mate selection is probably the first major misstep you’ve made. At the moment your biggest weakness is that you’re completely unknown on the forum; mostly just active on discord and haven’t really done anything even on this board before this; thus it’s harder for people to take you as a serious actor. I will credit you for working to break this perception with sustained activity on the board since you founded this party.

However an ideal choice for both the running mate here and also for a general partner in running this party would ideally be someone who has a lot of credibility to on-forum conservatives and is seen as at least a semi-serious forum user. Instead this pick does the opposite. I’d think again about this if I were you.

Anyway, I look forward to seeing where you’re able to take this.

I appreciate the analysis.  I had numerous people in mind for VP, including a Federalist candidate from a recent presidential election, but everyone I approached expressed zero interest.  FDB was the first person to be interested in running.  I think there's fear about upsetting the establishment and how that could damage their future political aspirations.  Yankee and the old players still have a lot of influence on the game.  While two outsides might seem like a bit much, it does send a strong message to the establishment that there's big discontent about how things are being run around here.

Maybe they are concerned about your centralist statements.

Also I run an open leadership team. Fhtagn was my Vice Chair and YT/LT were outsiders in 2018. Then YT became my co chair for a while and LT has been my Vice Chair since early 2020.

The barrier is activity and competence. Anyone who is interested can become part of Fed leadership. If you had come up to me a month ago and said "hey there are problems here that need to be addressed" and offered to put in the effort you could easily be fed leadership today . I got more open positions then the real life American economy right now.
Logged
Former President tack50
tack50
Atlas Politician
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 11,891
Spain


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #83 on: November 21, 2021, 07:24:42 PM »

One of the worst developments in recent Atlasian politics has to be presidential campaigns starting right after the previous election is over. Like at least wait until past the midterms or past New Year!

And if Spark's campaign is any indication, starting so early is also a bad sign
Logged
Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee
North Carolina Yankee
Moderator
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 54,123
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #84 on: November 21, 2021, 07:29:17 PM »

Also the Atlasian right is rather tight nit. I have known fhtagn, R for four years. Most every conservative in this game was recruited by Justice PiT or by someone he recruited.

That is why you are going to struggle with an anti Yankee narrative built on mischaracterizations. It isn't fear, I don't operate based on fear and have routine been assailed by Adam for being too easy going on people. It's more that this place is like a bar where everybody knows your name.
Logged
GregTheGreat657
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 7,920
United States


Political Matrix
E: 0.77, S: -1.04

P P
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #85 on: November 22, 2021, 07:35:32 PM »

Endorsed! We will Make Atlasia Great Again!
Logged
DabbingSanta
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 1,679
United States
P P P
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #86 on: November 25, 2021, 09:01:38 AM »
« Edited: January 14, 2022, 12:43:53 PM by Dabbing Santa »

Logged
GregTheGreat657
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 7,920
United States


Political Matrix
E: 0.77, S: -1.04

P P
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #87 on: November 25, 2021, 05:12:21 PM »

Based
Logged
DabbingSanta
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 1,679
United States
P P P
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #88 on: November 30, 2021, 10:37:36 AM »
« Edited: December 04, 2021, 04:59:28 PM by DabbingSanta »


Platform:

1)   As president, I will drain the swamp and make Atlasia great again.  We will rid this nation of corruption and make sure our elections are free and fair for all.  Incidents like the June 2021 election debacle will not happen again with better voting laws.  We are a nation with great potential.

2)   As president, I will repeal SB-105-02 and seek to ban COVID-19 related restrictions including any remaining mask laws and vaccination mandates for all regions of our great country.  We need to accept that this illness is endemic worldwide and that past restrictions have not worked.

3)   As president, I will be an advocate for the rights of the unborn.  I will work with fellow conservative colleagues in the Senate and seek to end second trimester abortion.

4)   As president, I will defend Atlasians of all backgrounds from tax increases and predatory behavior from giant corporations and leftist governments.  We will cut income taxes for working class citizens and do more to keep the elite out of private citizen’s affairs.

5)   As president, I will support our troops and do everything in my power to end unnecessary conflicts over seas.  We don’t need to send people off to certain death, fighting in Korea or China or elsewhere.  Atlasian interests come first, not those of backwards countries many of us can't locate on a map.

6)   As president, I will introduce sweeping reforms to our immigration system. We need to limit the number of people we are taking in from other countries.  We need to enact tougher laws that impose real penalties on illegal immigration.


On the issues:

-   I stand opposed to Wulfricism and other secessionist movements, and believe we can work together, regardless of political affiliation, to get things done.  I believe we can make Atlasia great again and the preservation of the union is of utmost importance.

-   I am opposed to SB-105-07.  Climate change is a natural process that occurs regardless of human intervention or activity.  We cannot throw money at this problem and expect things to change, especially without cooperation from China and other large countries.

-   I do not support federalism.  We need some form of intervention and power at the federal level to introduce meaningful policy change.  Supporting conservativism but believing that state level governments should have total control does little for those living under Labor rule.

-   I support the legalization of marijuana and the decriminalization of drug addiction.  We need to do more to punish drug dealers and cartels, often funded by elite interests, and less to punish people who are victims of society at large.  

-   I will not challenge existing laws on gay marriage.  It is a settled issue.  I believe in equality for all Atlasians, regardless of sexuality, race, gender, or religion.  A lot of these wedge issues are promoted by the fake news media in order to divide us.  A strong Atlasia is a united one.

-   I support the right to bear arms, and I believe that existing gun control laws are unconstitutional.
Logged
GregTheGreat657
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 7,920
United States


Political Matrix
E: 0.77, S: -1.04

P P
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #89 on: November 30, 2021, 04:58:46 PM »


Platform:

1) As president, I will drain the swamp and make Atlasia great again.  We will rid this nation of corruption and make sure our elections are free and fair for all.  Incidents like the June 2021 election debacle will not happen again with better voting laws.  We are a nation with great potential.

2) As president, I will repeal SB-105-02 and seek to ban COVID-19 related restrictions including any remaining mask laws and vaccination mandates for all regions of our great country.  We need to accept that this illness is endemic worldwide and that past restrictions have not worked.

3) As president, I will be an advocate for the rights of the unborn.  I will work with fellow conservative colleagues in the Senate and seek to end second trimester abortion.

4) As president, I will defend Atlasians of all backgrounds from tax increases and predatory behavior from giant corporations and leftist governments.  We will cut income taxes for working class citizens and do more to keep the elite out of private citizen’s affairs.

5) As president, I will support our troops and do everything in my power to end unnecessary conflicts over seas.  We don’t need to send people off to certain death, fighting in Korea or China or elsewhere.  Atlasian interests come first, not those of backwards countries many of us can't locate on a map.


On the issues:

- I stand opposed to Wulfricism and other secessionist movements, and believe we can work together, regardless of political affiliation, to get things done.  I believe we can make Atlasia great again and the preservation of the union is of utmost importance.

- I am opposed to SB-105-07.  Climate change is a natural process that occurs regardless of human intervention or activity.  We cannot throw money at this problem and expect things to change, especially without cooperation from China and other large countries.

- I do not support federalism.  We need some form of intervention and power at the federal level to introduce meaningful policy change.  Supporting conservativism but believing that state level governments should have total control does little for those living under Labor rule.

- I support the legalization of marijuana and the decriminalization of drug addiction.  We need to do more to punish drug dealers and cartels, often funded by elite interests, and less to punish people who are victims of society at large.  

- I will not challenge existing laws on gay marriage.  It is a settled issue.  I believe in equality for all Atlasians, regardless of sexuality, race, gender, or religion.  A lot of these wedge issues are promoted by the fake news media in order to divide us.  A strong Atlasia is a united one.
Mostly based

I'd prioritize different issues (immigration, trade, and guns)
Logged
KaiserDave
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 13,587
United States


Political Matrix
E: -5.81, S: -5.39

P

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #90 on: November 30, 2021, 05:21:50 PM »

If a Nyman led by Delusional DabbingSanta deigns to abolish the regions, we the regions will abolish them. Thankfully, this will not happen! Our Union is STRONG!
Logged
Sirius_
Ninja0428
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 7,083
United States


Political Matrix
E: -2.00, S: -7.91


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #91 on: November 30, 2021, 06:35:37 PM »

May I say, as LT's running mate back in June, that there was no fraud in that election. Sev won fairly and I want no part in any "big lie" redux.
Logged
The world will shine with light in our nightmare
Just Passion Through
Atlas Legend
*****
Posts: 45,174
Norway


Political Matrix
E: -6.32, S: -7.48

P P P

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #92 on: November 30, 2021, 07:00:35 PM »

Quote
Incidents like the June 2021 election debacle will not happen again with better voting laws.

(Big) Lying Santa!
Logged
Unconditional Surrender Truman
Harry S Truman
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 14,142


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #93 on: November 30, 2021, 07:15:58 PM »

If a Nyman led by Delusional DabbingSanta deigns to abolish the regions, we the regions will abolish them. Thankfully, this will not happen! Our Union is STRONG!

The Labor party is the REPUBLICAN party of Lincoln and Jefferson, which stands in opposition to the centralizing policy of the monocrats. Should the FEDERAL party, Tories and Black Cockades move to repeal the rights of our regions, we will simply ignore them and continue to adhere to the good old principles of the Union and the constitution.
Logged
DabbingSanta
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 1,679
United States
P P P
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #94 on: November 30, 2021, 09:10:11 PM »

Mostly based

I'd prioritize different issues (immigration, trade, and guns)

Feel free to shoot me a message with ideas.  I am open to adding positions on the platform, especially from fellow party members.

May I say, as LT's running mate back in June, that there was no fraud in that election. Sev won fairly and I want no part in any "big lie" redux.

LT did not refuse to concede the election for no reason.  The moderator in question who invalidated the votes was a Labor supporter. It should have been pursued, but the weak Federalist party did not want to back him up.  He is welcome to join the Patriots if he wants!  With better election laws, there will be zero election fraud.  Every vote should count.
Logged
WD
Western Democrat
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 6,573
Ukraine


Political Matrix
E: -7.35, S: -0.35

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #95 on: November 30, 2021, 09:19:12 PM »

Fringe candidates like Dabbing Santa can barely hide their contempt for our constitution and our Republic. His talk about opposing the “elite” and helping the working class is vapid and shallow. And don’t get me started on his conspiratorial rants about “election incidents” with no tether to reality.

Labor has and will continue to support THE PEOPLE. Less you wish to see rolled back all the gains made by workers all across this country, made in part by leaders like First Minister Truman, Governor Dave, and President Scott, I recommend that all Atlasian patriots support their local Labor candidate this election.
Logged
Continential
The Op
Atlas Politician
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 10,543
Political Matrix
E: 1.10, S: -5.30

P P P

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #96 on: November 30, 2021, 09:29:01 PM »

Will the Patriot Party run candidates for the Senate in the December midterms?
Logged
DabbingSanta
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 1,679
United States
P P P
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #97 on: November 30, 2021, 09:35:52 PM »

Will the Patriot Party run candidates for the Senate in the December midterms?

Greg the Great is campaigning for Lincoln's general court, but I am not aware of any other candidates running at this time.  If any party members or dissatisfied conservatives are interested, please reach out! 
Logged
DabbingSanta
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 1,679
United States
P P P
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #98 on: December 01, 2021, 09:20:03 AM »
« Edited: January 14, 2022, 12:44:10 PM by Dabbing Santa »

Logged
Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee
North Carolina Yankee
Moderator
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 54,123
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #99 on: December 02, 2021, 12:04:28 PM »

-   I do not support federalism.  We need some form of intervention and power at the federal level to introduce meaningful policy change.  Supporting conservativism but believing that state level governments should have total control does little for those living under Labor rule.

> Says he doesn't support Federalism
> Procedes to decry Regionalism instead

Federalism /= Regionalism in all circumstances, though historically the Regional and Federalist Movements have been closely alligned.

For example, secessionist movements are an example of hyper regionalism, federalism opposes secessionism but also opposes the hyper centralism that leads people to seek secession in many cases. Federalism is precisely about balancing powers between the regional and central authorities.

Endorsing Centralism "for the sake of those living under Labor rule" is a license for labor to centralize authority under the same vein and since they have the muscle (and historically have had the muscle excepting the period of 2016-2018, to dominate the Presidency), you will get centralism yes, but with Laborism being the philosophy backed up by Nyman's brute force.
Logged
Pages: 1 2 3 [4] 5 6 7 8 9  
« previous next »
Jump to:  


Login with username, password and session length

Terms of Service - DMCA Agent and Policy - Privacy Policy and Cookies

Powered by SMF 1.1.21 | SMF © 2015, Simple Machines

Page created in 0.063 seconds with 13 queries.