Should the vaccinated receive priority care over the unvaccinated?

[Ferguson97]

In September, a vaccinated man suffered cardiac arrest and died after being turned away from hospitals because there were no available ICU beds, partially due to the high number of unvaccinated covid patients.

Should the vaccinated receive priority care over the unvaccinated?

[lfromnj]

What if its a drunk driver who crashed and injured himself, who do you treat first Ferg?

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Since unvaccinated people tend to have worse outcomes if they get COVID, no they should not. Triage in the standard form is only barely ethical, in a least-worst-option sort of way, as it is; adding an additional layer of moralistic deplorable-owning makes it completely unacceptable.

[AGA]

This idea could apply to more than just vaccination. Should normal weight people receive priority over obese people who eat too much?

[dead0man]

no, for the reasons AGA stated.


I suppose if you want to go full on with it and pre-scale everyone on an "emergency care index", but I have a feeling the people voting "yes" here wouldn't want that and it would be impossible to come up with one that every "yes" voter agreed on.  Who do you put on the bottom? unvacced, fat, smokers with multiple violent felonies, Type II diabetes and HIV

[Santander]

In September, a vaccinated man suffered cardiac arrest and died after being turned away from hospitals because there were no available ICU beds, partially due to the high number of unvaccinated covid patients.

Should the vaccinated receive priority care over the unvaccinated?

Unless you are suggesting people occupying ICU beds get thrown out to the street to die, I don't know what you are trying to say. You also have no idea how hospitals work.

[politicallefty]

This sort of care only arises when hospital beds are full. In that case, I voted in the affirmative. In the face of a serious infectious agent that is filing hospital beds to the max and people affirmatively refusing to take that which could keep them out of the hospital, there is only one good option.

[Pericles]

The government has a responsibility to ensure the healthcare system can provide good quality care to everyone that needs it.

[DC Al Fine]

Since unvaccinated people tend to have worse outcomes if they get COVID, no they should not. Triage in the standard form is only barely ethical, in a least-worst-option sort of way, as it is; adding an additional layer of moralistic deplorable-owning makes it completely unacceptable.

Plus, I guarantee that the deplorable-owning would be restricted to the unvaccinated for all of twenty minutes before being expanded to other disfavoured groups.

Guys, please, please think of these issues over a longer timespan

no, for the reasons AGA stated.


I suppose if you want to go full on with it and pre-scale everyone on an "emergency care index", but I have a feeling the people voting "yes" here wouldn't want that and it would be impossible to come up with one that every "yes" voter agreed on.  Who do you put on the bottom? unvacced, fat, smokers with multiple violent felonies, Type II diabetes and HIV

"Sorry sir, we've got multiple counts of sh**tposting on your file. You'll have to try another hospital."

[7,052,770]

I aspire to be the most anti-anti-vaxx poster here, and even I'm going to say no, that's unethical.

However, as a compromise, everyone working in the hospital should be really rude to an unvaccinated person with COVID and incredibly nice to someone with a breakthrough COVID infection.

[John Dule]

This idea could apply to more than just vaccination. Should normal weight people receive priority over obese people who eat too much?

Yes.

[West_Midlander]

Definitely not.

[dead0man]

40%...sheesh.....it must be hard to be a lefty with a conscious here, constantly being let down by your supposed allies.

[beesley]

No, if you believe in vaccine efficacy, then receiving a vaccine already functions as priority care, in the sense you have already taken a precautionary measure. The same principle should apply here as to other areas of public health.

[Mr. Reactionary]

The idea is both wildly unethical and premised on misplaced blame.

This failure is on the bureaucrats and MBAs who thought that performance metrics, payment reform, and lean management fads would transform the health care sector into a gold mine. The nightmare of medical rationing that your cranky relatives warned you about is here, and not just for people who aren't kicking tens of thousands of dollars up for insurance coverage every year.

The health care system should be prepared to deal with influxes of patients infected with a seasonal respiratory virus, and the people telling you otherwise are lying to you because there are careers and fortunes to be made by pretending that it cannot be done.

Definitely. After 2 years hospitals shouldnt be claiming to be unprepared to deal with influxes.

[Associate Justice PiT]

     If doctors refused to treat people who were at fault for their own injuries, that would wipe out a substantial portion of the work they do. Imagine if when a drunk driver gets in a wreck or a smoker has lung disease or someone survives a drug overdose, they just get turned away and left to their fate. Suffice it to say, it creates a ghoulish precedent and it disturbs me greatly that something like this is even being considered.