Canada Federal Representation 2024

[Hatman 🍁]

Changes to the London-area on my Ontario proposal.

https://bit.ly/Canada343

This may be the best we can do in London, but that Perth-London North finger is bugging me.

[Krago]

Changes to the London-area on my Ontario proposal.

https://bit.ly/Canada343

This may be the best we can do in London, but that Perth-London North finger is bugging me.

Agreed.  I still like my original plan (now in the Alternatives map) for five seats in Middlesex/Perth, but my sister-in-law in Byron was not enthused about the idea of having Monte McNaughton as her MPP.

If John Nater and Randy Pettapiece (Google them - I had to) are willing to take one for the team, I can see this latest scenario as one that would be favoured by the other MPs and MPPs in the area.

[Krago]

Great trivia question!

Which place in Southern Ontario votes in one riding in federal elections, and a different riding in provincial elections?

The answer is in the second-last post on page 21.

[Hatman 🍁]

Great trivia question!

Which place in Southern Ontario votes in one riding in federal elections, and a different riding in provincial elections?

The answer is in the second-last post on page 21.

This is upsetting

[Philly D.]

I decided to repost my map of Québec in preparation for tomorrow's hearing. I made some changes, notably to the North Shore, Mauricie and Montréal. Again, the starred ("*") ridings are exactly the same as now, some liberties were taken with naming and the provincial quotient is 108,998.

Name	Population	Variance	Comments
La Petite-Nation—Argenteuil	111,815	+2,58%	Gains Val-des-Monts from Pontiac but loses St-Adolphe-d'Howard. More Outaouais than Laurentides, hence the name change.
Gatineau	107,778	-1,12%	Picks up area between Av. Gatineau and Montée Paiement north of A-50; potential for sizeable population increase.
Hull—Aylmer	116,418	+6,81%	Dumps what's left of the Plateau and picks up a built up part of Aylmer in Pontiac.
Pontiac	110,434	+1,32%	See above. Contains Kitigan Zibi.

Name	Population	Variance	Comments
Laurentides—Labelle	108,702	-0,27%	Drops St-Sauveur, Piedmont and Ste-Anne-des-Lacs; picks up St-Adolphe-d'Howard. The latter town is in Les Pays-D' En-Haut MRC and right next to Ste-Agathe-des-Monts, the largest town in the riding, connected by R-329 and both accessed by exit 83 on A-15.
Prévost	112,732	+3,43%	The of Rivière-du-Nord MRC not in Mirabel, Piedmont, Ste-Anne-des-Lacs and St-Sauveur. Les Pays-D' En-Haut MRC is now in three ridings, but road links and population growth make this preferable. "Prévost" is the traditional name for the provincial riding centred on Saint-Jérôme and is in the center of the riding.
Mirabel	107,688	-1,20%	Mirabel, Saint-Colomban and Saint-Jérôme west of A-15 and the Rivière du Nord. Should not become negative exception during map life cycle, although it may come close.
Deux-Montagnes	114,392	+4,95%	The MRC of Deux-Montagnes, plus Boisbriand south of A-640 and west of A-15. An area with slow growth, mostly built out or agricultural. Contains Kanesatake.
Blainville	116,410	+6,80%	Blainville, Ste-Thérèse, Rosemère and the bulk of Boisbriand. Splitting Boisbriand is not ideal (the next largest town to be split is Saint-Jérôme), but it is probably the best solution. In the couronnes of Montréal, relatively less heed was paid to MRCs or regional borders in favour of keeping cities intact and preventing growth sinks. The population here is high but Rosemère and Ste-Thérèse are basically built out.

Name	Population	Variance	Comments
Terrebonne	113,124	+3,79%	Terrebonne west of A-25, Bois-des-Filion, Lorraine and Ste-Anne-des-Plaines. All these towns have been together in the past, both provincially and federally. The fact that it straddles both Laurentides and Lanaudière régions is a non-issue here and in fact unites the Urbanova community with Bois-des-Filion.
Lachenaie—Mascouche	112,592	+3,30%	The new riding on the North Shore, comprised of Mascouche, Terrebonne east of A-25 (plus Ile St-Jean -- this actual centre of Terrebonne is in this riding), Charlemagne and the old town of Le Gardeur north of the railway or west Le Gardeur bridge. "Lachenaie" refers to the local seigneurie of La Chenaye and the old town of the same name, merged into Terrebonne.
L'Assomption	108,380	-0,57%	Loses Charlemagne and part of Le Gardeur; gains L'Epiphanie. "L'Assomption" refers to the MRC although it is still split in two (but Repentigny is now split, hence the name change).

Name	Population	Variance	Comments
Montcalm—Matawinie	114,180	+4,75%	All of Montcalm and Matawinie MRCs. Major recreational community of interest.
Joliette—Berthier	115,204	+5,69%	Joliette and Berthier MRCs. A little large, but not outrageously so.
Saint-Maurice—Maskinongé	109,450	+0,41%	Maskinongé MRC, Shawinigan, N.D.-du-Mont-Carmel, La Tuque and a couple of towns in Mékinac MRC. (They are the same towns that provincially lie in Saint-Maurice--Laviolette, that is: Grandes-Piles, Saint-Roch-de-Mékinac, Trois-Rives and Lac-Masketsi).  The addition of N.-D.-du-Mont-Carmel is a known exception to the principle of keeping MRCs whole, as it was given to Les Chenaux in 2002 when Centre-de-la-Mauricie MRC was abolished in 2002 in order to give the former enough population to be an MRC. Traditional name even if town of Saint-Maurice not in riding (it's a seigneurie thing). Shawinigan has actually stopped losing population, although the electoral variance will become negative and then rise (La Tuque is still losing people), which is fair given the size of the riding.
Champlain—Portneuf	111,321	+2,13%	Portneuf MRC, balance of Les Chenaux and Mékinac MRCs, St-Louis-de-France, Ste-Marthe-du-Cap and Cap-de-la-Madeleine north of A-40. Portneuf will keep the variance stable. Champlain is the traditional name for the west of the riding although the village itself, directly across from the former nuclear plant, has less than 900 people in it.
Trois-Rivières	107,807	-1,09%	The bulk of the city not in Portneuf—Champlain.

Name	Population	Variance	Comments
Côte-du-Sud	112,522	+3,23%	Bellechasse, Montmagny and L'Islet MRCs minus St-Roch-des-Aulnaies and Ste-Louise, Les Etchemins MRC minus those parts in Beauce right now, plus the former towns of Pintendre and St-Jean-Chrysostome.
Lévis	105,889	-2,85%	The city north of A-20, plus St-Rédempteur and Charny. Not a successor of either current "Lévis" riding.
Lotbinière—Bois-Francs	106,972	-1,86%	No clear predecessor; closer to pre-2004 Lotbinière ridings. Composed of Lotbinière, Bécancour and L'Erable MRCs, St-Louis-de-Blandford, Maddington, Daveluyville & Ste-Anne-du-Sault which are in Arthabaska MRC, St-Lambert-de-Lauzon, and the former towns (of Lévis) of St-Etienne-de-Lauzon and Breakeyville. This riding spans the A-20, R-116, R-132, has major agricultural concerns and is more homogeneous than a riding respecting regional divisions and including Thetford Mines. "Bois-Francs" is a traditional toponym for the western part of the riding — in fact Centre-du-Québec used to be called "Bois-Francs" when it was paired with Mauricie — and the area is also quite wooded (it produces a lot of maple syrup and cranberries.) Eastern part of the riding keeps the population growing slowly.
Beauce	113,451	+4,09%	Same as presently, plus Courcelles, St-Ludger and St-Robert-Bellarmin. These additions breach the regional boundary, but they have the same area code 819, would match with the provincial boundaries, and was asked for at the last redistribution.

Name	Population	Variance	Comments
Valcartier (in yellow)	109,490	+0,45%	Based on Jacques-Cartier MRC, St-Augustin-de-Desmaures and the old town of Val-Bélair. Toponym refers to a boulevard, CFB Valcartier and Village Vacances Valcartier (home of the ice hotel), all in the riding. Variance will rise although should not become a positive exception.
*Louis-Hébert	111,323	+2,13%	This riding has not changed one iota since 1988. No good reason to change this time either.
Louis-Saint-Laurent	116,030	+6,45%	Based on Vanier—Les Rivières arrondissement and L'Ancienne-Lorette. Can't think of a good name, but it is certainly better than "Québec-Est". Population is a bit high and there a still room for quite a bit of growth.
*Charlesbourg—Haute-Saint-Charles	109,690	+0,63%
Stadacona—Limoilou	~118,437	+8,66%	This is composed of the boroughs of Limoilou-La Cité and Beauport south of the A-40 and west of the Beauport river. Largest riding in the province but community of interest is too good to pass up, and furthermore the heritage/institutional status of part of the riding limits potential densification. "Vieux-Québec" could also designate the southern part (it puts the riding on the map) but some might complain.
Premières-Seigneuries	~108,677	-0,29%	L'Ile-d'Orléans and La Côte-de-Beaupré MRCs and eastern Beauport. Name refers to local school board and the presence of La Route de la Nouvelle-France and Avenue Royale which span the riding.

Name	Population	Variance	Comments
*Abitibi—Témiscamingue	103,735	-4,83%
*Abitibi—Baie-James—Nunavik—Eeyou	89,087	-18,27%	Negative exception could be justified, but growth patterns may forestall this.
*Lac-Saint-Jean	103,886	-4,69%
Jonquière	100,648	-7,66%
Chicoutimi—Charlevoix	99,798	-8,44%	In all honesty, I don't have a rationale for this particular boundary with Jonquière...
*Côte-Nord	88,525	-18,78%	The name change from Manicouagan was proposed in a Private Members' bill and would match administrative region. Will become a negative exception shortly; nothing can be done about it. Contains two incompletely enumerated reserves.
Gaspésie—Iles-de-la-Madeleine	89,342	-18,03%	Matches administrative region of same name; likely negative exception during map life cycle. Contains Listuguj.
Rimouski—Matanie—Matapédia	108,792	-0,19%	"Matanie" is the new name for the MRC containing Matane. Gains massively in population but loses in area.
Bas-Saint-Laurent	91,876	-15,71%	5 most westerly MRCs in Bas-Saint-Laurent, minus Rimouski and St-Anaclet-de-Lessard, plus St-Roch-des-Aulnaies and Ste-Louise (exit 430 on A-20.) Low population but allows better ridings elsewhere on the Rive-Sud. Should not become nor merits a negative exception during map life cycle.

[Philly D.]

Name	Population	Variance	Comments
Mégantic—Saint-François	105,969	-2,78%	MRCs of Les Appalaches and Le Haut-Saint-François; Le Granit MRC not in Beauce; Stoke and Le Val-Saint-François MRC presently in Richmond—Arthabaska less St-Denis-de-Brompton. Any riding with both Compton and Les Appalaches MRCs will create complaints and may disrupt Anglophone minority. Negative variance may increase although Stoke and Ascot Corner should prevent collapse.
Brompton—Stanstead	105,145	-3,53%	Le Val-Saint-François MRC now in Shefford and St-Denis-de-Brompton; Memphrémagog MRC in Compton—Stanstead; Coaticook MRC; Lennoxville, Deauville—Rock Forest—St-Elie-d'Orford and Bromptonville arrondissements; present riding of Sherbrooke west of A-410.
Sherbrooke	110,492	+1,37%
Arthabaska—Nicolet	108,955	-0,04%	Nicolet-Yamaska, Les Sources & Arthabaska MRCs, minus the small part in Lotbinière—Bois-Francs.
*Drummond	107,967	-0,95%
*Saint-Hyacinthe—Acton	105,086	-3,59%	"Bagot" becomes "Acton" to match the name of the smaller MRC (as a Private Members' bill proposed.)

Name	Population	Variance	Comments
Verchères—Saurel	110,168	+1,07%	Entirely within Montérégie and centred around A-30, it solves the problem of having the long South Shore riding continuously need to expand. Present riding of Verchères minus Boucherville and Saint-Mathieu-de-Beloeil, gains Pierre-de-Saurel MRC.
Beloeil	110,607	+1,48%	No clear predecessor. Beloeil, McMasterville, St-Basile-le-Grand, Mont-Saint-Hilaire, Otterburn Park, St-Jean-Baptiste, St-Mathieu-de-Beloeil and Ste-Julie.
Montarville	105,497	-3,21%	Major changes from present riding; now centred around the provincial riding (Boucherville and St-Bruno) and eastern Longueuil. Primed for growth.
Longueuil	108,727	-0,25%
Saint-Lambert	113,839	+4,44%	Not the best name.
Brossard—Greenfield Park	108,722	-0,25%

Name	Population	Variance	Comments
Brome-Missisquoi	107,253	-1,60%	No more Le Haut-Richelieu MRC; with Brome-Missisquoi MRC joining Estrie this riding is now entirely in that region.
Shefford	107,239	-1,61%	Loses Le Val-Saint-François MRC part and Ste-Angèle-de-Monnoir. However, Haute-Yamaska MRC joining Estrie keeps this a Montérégie-Estrie riding rather than becoming just a Montérégie riding.
Chambly—Iberville	108,438	-0,51%	Chambly, Carignan, Richelieu, Marieville, St-Mathias-sur-Richelieu, Ste-Angèle-de-Monnoir plus Le Haut-Richelieu MRC not in Saint-Jean—Napierville. "Iberville" refers to the provincial riding.

Name	Population	Variance	Comments
Saint-Jean—Napierville	109,808	+0,74%	St-Blaise-sur-Richelieu, Saint-Jean west of the river (making the provincial riding of Saint-Jean) and Les-Jardins-de-Napierville MRC; the latter MRC goes from being in 2 ridings to just this one.
*La Prairie	114,968	+5,48%
Châteauguay—Huntingdon	104,710	-3,93%	Ditches Les-Jardins-de-Napierville MRC for Le-Haut-Saint-Laurent one; Kahnawake could go here. Contains Akwesane.
Vaudreuil	112,217	+2,95%	Vaudreuil-Dorion, Ile Perrot, Hudson and Saint-Lazare.
Suroît—Soulanges	106,808	-2,01%	MRC of Vaudreuil-Soulanges not in Vaudreuil, Salaberry-de-Valleyfield and Beauharnois.

Name	Population	Variance	Comments
Alfred-Pellan	113,608	+4,23%
Laval—Les Iles	104,523	-4,11%	Drops Fabreville for more of Chomedey.
Laval—Vimy	114,364	+4,92%	Added "Laval" to the name, since, after all, Vimy Ridge is in France! Also reunited Pont-Viau.
Marc-Aurèle-Fortin	105,871	-2,87%	Gains Fabreville, loses a bit of territory to the east.
Montréal—Pointe-aux-Trembles	109,569	+0,52%	I decided to resuscitate the "Montréal" toponym for several ridings—why should it be the only city in Canada not to have its name in ridings?
Montréal—Rivière-des-Prairies	~106,976	-1,86%	Added the area around Radisson Métro station, which flows seamlessly into Anjou.
*Montréal—Bourassa	105,637	-3,08%	"Montréal" gives this riding better visibility.
Ahuntsic—Cartierville	111,957	+2,71%	Sheds some population to Montréal—Saint-Laurent, which is otherwise cut off from the rest of the riding.
Saint-Léonard—Saint-Michel	113,732	+4,34%	Sheds the small bits in Rosemont borough to Hochelaga.
Hochelaga	~108,564	-0,40%	Changes according to the modifications to Saint-Léonard—Saint-Michel and Montréal—Rivière-des-Prairies.
*Rosemont—La Petite-Patrie	112,909	+3,59%
*Villeray—Parc-Extension	110,813	+1,67%	Changed the name to the part of the borough it lies in; Papineau is a north-south street for an east-west riding.
*Montréal—Côte-Saint-Luc	108,494	-0,46%	Now has the toponyms of the two largest entities, instead of just that of the third largest, and also avoids the language issue with "Mount Royal".
Montréal—Saint-Laurent	108,317	-0,62%	Yet again, see Montréal—Rivière-des-Prairies.
Pierrefonds—Dollard	112,444	+3,16%
Lac-Saint-Louis	107,146	-1,70%	The part of Ste-Geneviève borough in the present riding moves to Pierrefonds-Dollard.
Dorval—Lachine—LaSalle	113,265	+3,91%	Sheds some people to Montréal—Verdun.
Montréal—Verdun	113,778	+4,39%	Takes area near Carrefour Angrignon.

Name	Population	Variance	Comments
Notre-Dame-de-Grâce—Westmount	112,333	+3,06%	Slight expansion to the north of Westmount, now including St. Joseph Oratory.
Montréal—Outremont	116,496	+6,88%	Loses area near Oratory and south of Rue Mount-Royal on the Plateau (Av. Duluth is basically for pedestrians); the latter is now the border due east up to the railway. Changes enough for a new name; the presence of several areas makes "Montréal" rather suitable.
Montréal—McGill	116,751	+7,11%	Choosing a name is difficult, and this one is not completely satisfactory, but the loss of the northern part makes "Laurier—Sainte-Marie" untenable. Contains all of Milton Parc, McGill campus and more of downtown.
Montréal—Ile-des-Soeurs (in blue)	115,044	+5,55%	"Ville-Marie" is outdated. Keeps the Old Port and all of Sud-Ouest borough.

The three westernmost ridings on the South Shore are Krago's ridings, as are the ridings covering Chicoutimi and Jonquière (in the latter two cases it was more a case of taking them for granted rather than establishing they were indeed the best solution.) This is not surprising, given that they are in some sense at "cartographic edges" of the province and therefore have very limited options.

All things considered, I am completely satisfied with this map. The average variance is extremely low at 3,70%, and this is with four ridings below -15%. This could be possibly be reduced further but the returns are certainly diminishing at this point. Jonquière and Chicoutimi are the only two ridings between -5% and -10%. Nine ridings are above 5%, spread across the province; one each in Outaouais, Montérégie, Laurentides and Lanaudière, two in Quebec City and three in Montréal. 63 of 75 ridings are within 5% of the average.

The results are mixed regarding administrative splits; compared to the present map, L'Islet, Rimouski-Neigette, Le Granit, Arthabaska, Les Chenaux, Mékinac and Les Pays-d'en-Haut MRCs gain a split, while Matawinie, Deux-Montagnes, Le Val-Saint-François and Les Jardins-de-Napierville lose one, for a net increase of 3. Meanwhile, regional boundaries now hold between Gaspésie and Bas-Saint-Laurent, Mauricie and Lanaudière, and only one riding Montérégie crosses boundaries instead of three. However, two ridings, up from one, cross between Estrie and Chaudière-Appalaches, Capitale-Nationale région now has ridings crossing with Mauricie and Saguenay--Lac-Saint-Jean, and a riding crosses between Laurentides and Lanaudière, which results in no overall change. However, the location of these splits and the supposed lesser importance of these boundaries near Montréal, in my view, make the tradeoff for a low variance more than worthwhile.

[Philly D.]

The map above has 27 ridings on the South Shore. Initially when preparing this map, I also had 26 ridings and when we were sure there would be 78 ridings I added one there by splitting Beloeil and Chambly and managing the consequences which flew from it. The Commission's proposal has 26 ridings and for the sake of completeness I will present it here, and I am less fond of it (it has a riding above +10%:







Vaudreuil, Drummond, Beauce, La Prairie and the two easternmost ridings are identical to the 27-seat version.

Name	Population	Variance	Comments
Suroît--Soulanges	111,709	+2,49%	Now includes all of the provincial riding of Beauharnois.
Châteauguay--Huntingdon	114,933	+5,45%	Includes half Les-Jardins-de-Napierville MRC.
Saint-Jean--Napierville	115,180	+5,67%	Now includes all of the city of Saint-Jean.
Brossard--Saint-Lambert	114,286	+4,85%	Same as present riding.
Saint-Hubert--LeMoyne	112,302	+3,03%	Now includes all of the city of Saint-Jean.
Longueuil	116,721	+7,09%
Montarville	115,319	+5,80%	Now includes Sainte-Julie.
Verchères--Saurel	113,120	+3,78%	Now includes Saint-Mathias-de-Beloeil.
Chambly--Beloeil	108,765	-0,21%	Goes into Longueuil at the expense of Mont-Saint-Hilaire.
Saint-Hyacinthe	119,949	+10,05%	Dumps Acton MRC for the aforementioned Mont-Saint-Hilaire area; the +10% variance was discovered at the last minute after an error...
Brome-Missisquoi--Rouville	113,701	+4,31%	More of Le Haut-Richelieu and Rouville MRCs in exchange for dumping Memphrémagog.
Shefford--Acton	108,450	-0,50%	La Haute-Yamaska and Acton MRCs.
Orford--Stanstead	112,753	+3,45%	Memphrémagog and Compton MRCs, Lennoxville, Deauville, Rock Forest, part of pre-merger Sherbrooke (as per 27-seat proposal).
Sherbrooke--Richmond	115,824	+6,26%	Includes all of Le-Val-Saint-François MRC except Stoke.
Sherbrooke-Mégantic	106,707	-2,10%	Fleurimont, Stoke, Le Haut-Saint-François, Les Sources and Le Granit MRCs (except that part in Beauce).
Bois-Francs	118,944	+9,12%	Nicolet-Yamaska, Bécancour and Arthabaska MRCs. Very large.
Frontenac--Lotbinière	108,349	-0,60%	Lotbinière, L'Erable and Les Appalaches MRCs and Saint-Lambert-de-Lauzon.
Lévis--Chutes-de-la-Chaudière	107,471	-1,40%	Lévis notrh of A-20 or west of the Chaudière River.
Lévis--Bellechasse--Montmagny	112,394	+3,12%	Rest of Lévis, Bellechasse and Montmagny MRCs, Les Etchemins MRC not presently in Beauce.
Kamouraska--Témiscouata	107,845	-1,06%	Now includes all L'Islet MRC rather than just a part.

This map is actually a little better than the 27-seat proposal with regards to the MRCs, but good lord, are the seats larger. Of course then the electoral quotient was higher, but still... much prefer the latter.

[Krago]

Here's a Hatman special.  Does keeping Barrhaven together make my/our Ottawa maps better or worse?

• Carleton -- 110,275
• Kanata--Carleton -- 115,966
• Lanark--Stittsville -- 119,482
• Nepean--Barrhaven -- 116,523
• Ottawa West--Nepean -- 118,546

   
   
   
   

[Hatman 🍁]

This is worse IMO, Carleton looks like a monstrosity.

[Krago]

This is worse IMO, Carleton looks like a monstrosity.

You're right.  What has Barrhaven ever done for us?

[Krago]

Two more options for our Eastern Ontario expert.

Option A - Keeps Quinte West together, adds northern Peterborough County to Haliburton--Kawartha Lakes

• Haliburton--Kawartha Lakes -- 109,134
• Peterborough -- 113,564
• Northumberland--Peterborough South -- 114,166
• Bay of Quinte -- 127,335
• Hastings--Frontenac--Lennox and Addington -- 124,971
• Kingston and the Islands -- 126,106

   



Option B - Keeps Quinte West together, adds northern Hastings County to Haliburton--Kawartha Lakes

• Haliburton--Kawartha Lakes -- 110,833
• Peterborough -- 122,880
• Hastings--Frontenac--Lennox and Addington -- 113,956

   
   


   

[Hatman 🍁]

Option A is definitely better. And we get the return of skinny Peterborough!

[Krago]

Option A is definitely better. And we get the return of skinny Peterborough!

Wasn't he a character on Breaking Bad?

https://breakingbad.fandom.com/wiki/Skinny_Pete

[Krago]

This is becoming like a visit to the optician.  Which lens is clearer?  A or B?  A or B?  B or C?


Here is my latest option for Simcoe County.  Oro-Medonte is kept together rather than split among three ridings.  Tiny Township moves from being in a seat with Midland and Penetanguishene, to being in one with Collingwood and Wasaga Beach.

What say you, the collective brain trust?

• Simcoe North -- 121,364
• Simcoe West -- 122,833
• Barrie -- 116,975
• Barrie--Innisfil--Bradford -- 117,060

[toaster]

I prefer the Commission's idea of crossing the Simcoe / Grey border, as those communities have much more in common.  I do think Orillia has always been more connected to areas just north of Barrie (and the Highway 11 communities) than it is with Midland/Penetang, despite historically being in a riding with the latter.

[Krago]

Another day, another set of riding options.

Today is the Tetris of riding maps, York Region.

Please let me know if you think this is better or worse than the one on my Ontario map (https://bit.ly/Canada343).

• Aurora--Oak Ridges -- 122,131
• Georgina--Stouffville -- 124,788
• Markham East -- 117,871
• Markham--Thornhill -- 111,087
• Newmarket--King -- 117,382
• Richmond Hill -- 123,872
• Richmond Hill--Unionville -- 112,564
• Thornhill -- 115,292
• Vaughan--Maple -- 112,630
• Vaughan--Woodbridge -- 115,717

[Hatman 🍁]

I like this map better, but I prefer your original Georgina-Stouffville configuration.

[EastAnglianLefty]

I'm not a fan of Newmarket-King - looking at a map, it seems like King City has decent enough connections to Vaughan and Aurora, but no real links to Newmarket.

[Krago]

Once more, I'm sending out the Hat-signal.  Hatman, Rideau City needs your help!

• Carleton -- 113,701
• Kanata--Carleton -- 122,060
• Lanark--Stittsville -- 119,482
• Nepean--Barrhaven -- 121,986
• Ottawa Centre -- 118,200
• Ottawa South -- 114,298
• Ottawa West--Nepean -- 116,409

[EastAnglianLefty]

How's this for an arrangement in the York region?



Georgina--Stouffville - 107,567
Newmarket--East Gwilimbury - 112,749
Aurora--Oak Ridges - 116,652
Vaughan--King - 113,325
Vaughan--Woodbridge - 115,957
Thornhill--Concord - 121,154
Richmond Hill - 117,261
Markham--Thornhill - 120,204
Markham East - 123,377
Markham--Unionville - 125,088

Reasonably wide variation in electorates, but it's all within 10% and the northern parts of York are growing at a rate of knots so it should work out.

[Hatman 🍁]

Once more, I'm sending out the Hat-signal.  Hatman, Rideau City needs your help!

• Carleton -- 113,701
• Kanata--Carleton -- 122,060
• Lanark--Stittsville -- 119,482
• Nepean--Barrhaven -- 121,986
• Ottawa Centre -- 118,200
• Ottawa South -- 114,298
• Ottawa West--Nepean -- 116,409

I dunno, it's not as good as the map we came out with earlier, or my "least change" proposal. It's not terrible; at least it doesn't split communities up.

[Hatman 🍁]

How's this for an arrangement in the York region?



Georgina--Stouffville - 107,567
Newmarket--East Gwilimbury - 112,749
Aurora--Oak Ridges - 116,652
Vaughan--King - 113,325
Vaughan--Woodbridge - 115,957
Thornhill--Concord - 121,154
Richmond Hill - 117,261
Markham--Thornhill - 120,204
Markham East - 123,377
Markham--Unionville - 125,088

Reasonably wide variation in electorates, but it's all within 10% and the northern parts of York are growing at a rate of knots so it should work out.

The Jewish community won't be happy with you splitting Thornhill in half.

[Krago]

I'm not a fan of Newmarket-King - looking at a map, it seems like King City has decent enough connections to Vaughan and Aurora, but no real links to Newmarket.

What do you think of this?  Too American?

[Krago]

If Georgina--King passes the smell test, et ça devient possible.

• Aurora--Oak Ridges -- 118,883
• Georgina--King -- 119,640
• Markham--Stouffville -- 118,067
• Markham--Unionville -- 120,704
• Newmarket--Aurora -- 127,134
• Richmond Hill -- 114,180

[EastAnglianLefty]

Georgina--King is very much a leftovers riding, but it does mean you can keep Thornhill together.

Ultimately it comes down to where you think King should go. On a map putting it with Vaughan makes sense, but as Hatman points out you can't do that without bisecting Thornhill. Your first attempt made sense numerically, but then you have the issue of the weak ties between Newmarket and King City. This second attempt is coherent in that Georgina--King is made up of the less urbanised bits of the region, but not coherent in that it has no central point.

The remaining option that hasn't been tried in this threat is putting Aurora and King together with as much of Oak Ridges as there is room for, then putting the remainder of Richmond Hill with Markham less its parts of Thornhill. A quick play around suggests you could probably do that bisecting Richmond Hill east-west along the line of Bayview Avenue, but I have no idea if that would be even vaguely acceptable on the ground.