FL-Victory Insights: Biden DOMINATES Trump, DeSantis; Harris Holds Steady
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« on: October 13, 2021, 04:22:17 PM »




Doom for Republican prospects in 2024? The patriots of Florida are rejecting the Maoist platform of the GOP and voting to reelect our glorious president. A landslide victory for Biden seems imminent. Should the Republican Party disband? Should DeSantis gorge on Cuban sandwiches until he explodes? Should Trump leap off the roof of Trump Tower in a spectacular arrivederci to the American people?

And blue avvies, if you're gonna come in here to unskew this poll, perhaps you should reconsider how your daily serving of copium?
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« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2021, 06:33:21 PM »

Was this a poll taken in an alternative universe? When did polling companies get access to Rick Sanchez's portal gun? And why aren't they letting people who want to escape our dimension use it too!?
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« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2021, 01:05:51 PM »

BS Poll.  But it's absolutely amazing for Trump and DeSantis.  Yeah it looks like Independents broke for Biden, but that happened in 2020 when Republicans had an 8 point lead over Democrats.  Actually, Republicans do better with them than in 2020, and the trend has been for independents switching to Republican. 

The fact is Republican refugees from NY and NJ are moving down south.  I've had dozens move into the neighborhood, and apparently hanging Trump banners in the garage is a thing.  Republicans are moving into the Western suburbs of Broward and West Palm Beach while Cubans and other Central and South Americans have been switching their registration from D and I to R.  Tightening the margin in Broward was game changer in 2020. 

The poll gave Democrats an extra 7-8% while the Republican number is in line with trends.  It's just a matter fact that Democrats are being culled from the voter rolls cause older ones are dying out and younger ones are moving back home from college. 
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« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2021, 01:34:33 PM »

I won't trust Florida polling until they finally get it right for at least two cycles. They were off too many times in the past and always got hopes up that were bitterly disappointed.

And polling numbers adding up to 100% years before an election should be taken with a huge grain of salt anyway.
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« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2021, 01:36:03 PM »

Still Likely R
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« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2021, 01:52:32 PM »

This confirms that without Trump on the ballot, Biden has a good chance of beating every Republican candidate including Trump in FL in 2024.
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« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2021, 01:54:23 PM »

Way too early to be trusting polls, and while Florida isn't going to decide the election, I think the Safe R Florida takes are a bit hyperbolic. Lean R for now.
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« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2021, 01:55:09 PM »

This confirms that without Trump on the ballot, Biden has a good chance of beating every Republican candidate including Trump in FL in 2024.

Well, yes, if Trump is not on the ballot, then Biden will have no problem getting more votes than him.
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« Reply #8 on: October 14, 2021, 01:56:59 PM »
« Edited: October 14, 2021, 02:04:43 PM by Mr.Phips »

Lol Florida polls have been overestimating Dems in every election since 2000 unless Obama is on the ballot.  Also, the party identification is too favorable for Dems here.  They don’t have a one point edge in identification.  In both 2018 and 2020, Republicans had a high single digit edge in identification here.
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« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2021, 01:57:49 PM »

This confirms that without Trump on the ballot, Biden has a good chance of beating every Republican candidate including Trump in FL in 2024.

Well, yes, if Trump is not on the ballot, then Biden will have no problem getting more votes than him.

Thanks for ruining it. Tongue
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« Reply #10 on: October 14, 2021, 04:42:16 PM »

Tossup state remains tossup, thought not because of this poll, three years out.
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« Reply #11 on: October 14, 2021, 04:43:47 PM »

It suggests

(1) that Florida will be close in 2024 even at a supposed low point for polling for Biden -- even against a Favorite Son.

Biden lost Florida in 2020, and no Republican can win the Presidency without Florida.  Thus things will be about as good for President Biden in 2024 as in 2020.

(2) recent approval and disapproval numbers for President Biden do not translate into bad voting results for him.

(3) Biden favorability is positive. Although that is not identical with approval it is usually close.

...Trump won Florida in 2020 largely playing up the anti-Castro rhetoric, claiming that Biden would be soft on Communism in Cuba. That's one way to appeal to Cuban-Americans who have hatred of the Commie regime in Cuba as the focus of their politics. Biden will have his record. I see two possibilities, and they both bode well for Biden.

1. The new leader of Cuba could be another Gorbachev who makes dealings easy and attractive, handing President Biden a successful "Cuba policy" .  The only Cuban-Americans dissatisfied with that will be the ones who seek to return to Cuba to lord it over the Cuban people as their ancestors did before 1959. Not many Americans would go along with that.  

2. The new leader of Cuba finds himself under fire as political revolution sweeps the country. Instead of being the new Gorbachev, Canel-Diaz becomes the Cuban equivalent of Nicolae Ceausescu. In such a case, President Biden has an easy gain in his political reality.

3. Things keep getting worse in Cuba, and Biden keeps quiet. His policy is known, and it is much the same as with other Presidents since Kennedy: give no breaks and cut no deals. What does a Republican have to offer: invade Cuba? That's too crazy.

Trump could play the Cuba card among Cuban-Americans in Florida and win the state. Biden has plenty of ways to win involving Cuba. He will have a policy in place, and it will almost certainly be right.
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« Reply #12 on: October 14, 2021, 04:51:21 PM »

My sources say that after seeing this poll, DeSantis became so depressed at his total obliteration that he ate 20 lbs worth of Cuban sandwiches
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« Reply #13 on: October 14, 2021, 05:21:25 PM »

My sources say that after seeing this poll, DeSantis became so depressed at his total obliteration that he ate 20 lbs worth of Cuban sandwiches

Is that really any different from an ordinary Thursday for him?
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« Reply #14 on: October 15, 2021, 03:53:19 AM »

My sources say that after seeing this poll, DeSantis became so depressed at his total obliteration that he ate 20 lbs worth of Cuban sandwiches

Is that really any different from an ordinary Thursday for him?

These ones were only made by Cubans, not out of Cubans.
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« Reply #15 on: October 15, 2021, 10:57:49 AM »

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« Reply #16 on: October 15, 2021, 11:04:40 AM »

Way too early to be trusting polls, and while Florida isn't going to decide the election, I think the Safe R Florida takes are a bit extremely hyperbolic. Lean R for now.
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« Reply #17 on: October 15, 2021, 03:50:03 PM »

This is hilarious Biden beating DeSantis in FL if he even survived 2022
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« Reply #18 on: October 15, 2021, 04:34:37 PM »

Medicare Expansion is very popular with Seniors that's why DeSantis and Rubio will lose
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« Reply #19 on: October 16, 2021, 03:40:08 AM »

Medicare Expansion is very popular with Seniors that's why DeSantis and Rubio will lose

DeSantis will need Medicare expansion if he wants any shot at keeping his toes from getting amputated 10 years from now
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« Reply #20 on: October 16, 2021, 10:38:29 AM »

Medicare Expansion is very popular with Seniors that's why DeSantis and Rubio will lose

It won't work for Crist and Demings to bring that up.

Charlie Crist flip-flopped on Obamacare. In fact, the day Obamacare was passed, Crist has said he hoped to repeal it and even sent a bunch of tweets attacking Obamacare while as governor and running for Senate before he deleted these tweets and now supports Obamacare.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/andrewkaczynski/there-is-almost-nothing-charlie-crist-hasnt-flip-flopped-on
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« Reply #21 on: October 18, 2021, 11:21:26 AM »

Medicare Expansion is very popular with Seniors that's why DeSantis and Rubio will lose

It won't work for Crist and Demings to bring that up.

Charlie Crist flip-flopped on Obamacare. In fact, the day Obamacare was passed, Crist has said he hoped to repeal it and even sent a bunch of tweets attacking Obamacare while as governor and running for Senate before he deleted these tweets and now supports Obamacare.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/andrewkaczynski/there-is-almost-nothing-charlie-crist-hasnt-flip-flopped-on


Andrew Gulliium a socialist Afri American, came within .5 of winning, it is a bold Prediction of mine, but DeSantis will get plenty of Scrutiny when Crist debates him in Fall of 2022 but FL, OH which we won too in 1992/96/08/12 aren't permanent R states otherwise Bill Nelson would have been Senator, in a Pandemic when raising taxes isn't a poison pill like it was in 2018 would still be Senator, Entitlement and 1400 checks aren't Socialistic but Green New Deal is to R

You got your 2K check didn't you that Biden gave you, stop complaining
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« Reply #22 on: October 18, 2021, 05:20:07 PM »

Medicare Expansion is very popular with Seniors that's why DeSantis and Rubio will lose

It won't work for Crist and Demings to bring that up.

Charlie Crist flip-flopped on Obamacare. In fact, the day Obamacare was passed, Crist has said he hoped to repeal it and even sent a bunch of tweets attacking Obamacare while as governor and running for Senate before he deleted these tweets and now supports Obamacare.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/andrewkaczynski/there-is-almost-nothing-charlie-crist-hasnt-flip-flopped-on


Andrew Gulliium a socialist Afri American, came within .5 of winning, it is a bold Prediction of mine, but DeSantis will get plenty of Scrutiny when Crist debates him in Fall of 2022 but FL, OH which we won too in 1992/96/08/12 aren't permanent R states otherwise Bill Nelson would have been Senator, in a Pandemic when raising taxes isn't a poison pill like it was in 2018 would still be Senator, Entitlement and 1400 checks aren't Socialistic but Green New Deal is to R

You got your 2K check didn't you that Biden gave you, stop complaining

First, when it comes to the 2K check, let me remind you that it was Rubio who urged Biden to push $2000 stimulus check at the beginning of the year.

And we aren't in 2008 or in 2012 anymore. In fact, the Republicans have cut the Democratic Registration Advantage in Florida from the "Obama Years" from 700,000 to 23,055. That's a big difference.

https://www.politico.com/newsletters/florida-playbook/2021/09/20/more-bad-news-for-florida-democrats-494394

The economy of Florida continues to do well under Ron DeSantis. Since April 2020, 990 400 new jobs have been created. And people are going to attribute it to DeSantis' tax-cut, small government policies. Meanwhile, Charlie Crist lost 832,000 jobs, worst in the nation and even worse than Ted Strickland who had the 48th job creation on 50 in the nation in addition of running $5.2 billion in debt. So Florida understands that tax reform, small government and free enterprise, not higher taxes and regulations and big government, is the right solution to the problem.

Now, gas prices are skyrocketing and Florida has the 9th highest gas prices in the country as the average state gas tax is 42.5 cents per gal and the average gas price is $2.39 per gal. Yet, both Val Demings and Charlie Crist supported the Green New Deal and the THRIVE Agenda even though gas prices are at the highest rate since 2014 and even though that agenda would cost $2 trillion, ban fracking and abolish fossil fuel. The moreover that in the aftermath of Hurricane Irma, she voted against Tax Relief for the victims of Hurricane Irma, putting the interests of her socialist colleagues ahead of Florida.

Cuban Americans are the key to victory in a statewide race in Florida. But Demings refused to weigh in on the comments or join her colleagues in a resolution condemning Bernie Sanders’ praise of Castro. If Demings couldn't stand up to Bernie Sanders, how can we possibly trust her to stand up to Communist Cuba? Demings is endorsed by Luis Gutierrez, a champion of open borders, former member of the Puerto Rican Socialist Party who defended Oscar Lopez Rivera, the leader of the Puerto Rican terrorist group FALN, which was responsible for deadly bombings in New York City in the 70s and 80s. Meanwhile, Rubio introduced an amendment to provide free Internet to Cubans on the island and it passed the Senate.

When it comes to Andrew Gillum, one of the reasons he lost in 2018 is because of his ties with the radical group called the Dream Defenders who argued for border-free and that police and prisons have no place in justice and whose co-founders said that Gillum was part of the movement. The moreover that Gillum advocated the abolition of ICE.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGNhs9dYNRQ

It is also for that reason that Demings will lose : she wants to equip police and law enforcement with spitballs. No wonder that she called for closure of key ICE Detention Center, the Glades County Detention Center in Moore Haven, Florida, even though America is facing a critical and serious border crisis; voted against an amendment that would prevent federal grant money from going to local governments that defunded their police force; called to dismantle the Minneapolis Department helped restore and maintain order in the context of threat from the Communist League of America during the 1934 Minneapolis general strike; opposed law enforcement drones that helped to survey disaster sites and identify areas and people that need help, including during Hurricane Irma and helped deliver life jackets and rescue ropes; opposed law enforcement vehicles that helped the FBI to stop a 2013 hostage standoff in Mobile, Alabama and helped them to rescue a 5-year-old child who was held hostage for a week; opposed MRAPs that helped the U.S. Department of Homeland Security Rapid Response Teams to assist people affected by Hurricane Isaac in addition of being crucial for the Department of Homeland Security to fighting illegal narcotics smuggling.

And, just a few weeks ago, Demings held a fundraiser hosted by Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot who is a harsh supporter of sanctuary cities and who has, earlier this year, signed a measure removing all exceptions that allowed police to cooperate with U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, which also indicates that an important part of Demings' campaign funds come from outside Florida and Floridians won't let themselves be bought.

The moreover that next month, Miami has a mayoral election and Miami has elected Republican mayors since 2009 and all with more than 70 % of the vote. And if Francis Suarez does indeed win re-election by that kind of margin, that will be good signs for FL Republicans.
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« Reply #23 on: October 18, 2021, 05:32:00 PM »

And nothing guarantees that Crist will win the nomination either as Nikki Fried is leading him in the polls and as Annette Taddeo, Crist's running mate in 2014, has announced her candidacy for Governor, which will likely undermine Crist's chances at getting through the primary.
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« Reply #24 on: October 18, 2021, 05:38:14 PM »

Crist is basically a perennial candidate at this point anyway. Besides, DeathSantis is too popular.
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