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Question: Which discredited atheist edgelord talking point is dumber?
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That Jesus is a plagiarism of Horus
 
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That Hitler was primarily motivated by Christianity
 
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« on: October 13, 2021, 12:36:08 PM »

These two talking points are so f[inks]ing absurd it blows my mind that anyone still uses them. It's possible to criticize Christianity after all without scraping the bottom of the barrell with this nonsense.
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« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2021, 05:13:52 PM »

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« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2021, 07:08:55 PM »

I always found the "Mary is actually Isis" talking point funnier than "Jesus is actually Horus", as someone who actually worships Isis. "Sorry Christoids, but the Egyptians have a monopoly on the veneration of maternal figures, and to do it yourselves is literally stealing and you should give it back!"
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« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2021, 11:37:24 PM »

I always found the "Mary is actually Isis" talking point funnier than "Jesus is actually Horus", as someone who actually worships Isis. "Sorry Christoids, but the Egyptians have a monopoly on the veneration of maternal figures, and to do it yourselves is literally stealing and you should give it back!"

Yeah, the idea that Christianity is "stealing" anything from other religions, as if religious beliefs are IP in the modern sense and all Zsuzsanna Budapest needs to do is hire Bent Pixels to copryight-strike every YouTube video of "Ave Maria", has got to take the cake here--as, of course, does the analogous lazy non-criticism of the other big proselytizing religions.
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« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2021, 11:10:49 AM »

I always found the "Mary is actually Isis" talking point funnier than "Jesus is actually Horus", as someone who actually worships Isis. "Sorry Christoids, but the Egyptians have a monopoly on the veneration of maternal figures, and to do it yourselves is literally stealing and you should give it back!"

I mean, the Cult of Isis was part of the state religion in the imperial days in Rome.
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« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2021, 11:28:24 AM »

I always found the "Mary is actually Isis" talking point funnier than "Jesus is actually Horus", as someone who actually worships Isis. "Sorry Christoids, but the Egyptians have a monopoly on the veneration of maternal figures, and to do it yourselves is literally stealing and you should give it back!"

I mean, the Cult of Isis was part of the state religion in the imperial days in Rome.

These people curiously never have a bone to pick about that when it's done by faiths for which they don't already have an irrational animus. It would be awfully funny to hear squabbles between different pagan sects over who "stole" Inanna-Ishtar-Astarte and ought to leave her be, though.
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« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2021, 05:56:34 AM »

Mormonism did rip off the King James Bible though.
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« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2021, 10:11:42 PM »

Mormonism did rip off the King James Bible though.

No it did not. Religious canons are not "intellectual property" and religious founders, even sketchy and dishonest ones like Joseph Smith, are not Ye Olde Napster.
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« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2021, 11:41:56 AM »

Mormonism did rip off the King James Bible though.

No it did not. Religious canons are not "intellectual property" and religious founders, even sketchy and dishonest ones like Joseph Smith, are not Ye Olde Napster.

It seems too often that a lot of the folks who accuse the Abrahamic faiths of STEALING from antecedent faiths (that surely never included any syncretic elements themselves, right?) also just don't know what they're talking about when it comes to either. In a vague discussion on religious matters in a Discord server I'm in last week, which I tend to keep a close eye on as one of the very few people there who actually practices any religion, a user who generally does very little but post about extraordinarily esoteric contemporary leftist theory pulled out the old chestnut about St. Brigid of Kildare being STOLEN, calling the pagan Brigid "the queen Celtic goddess [sic]" as though there were ever one unified Celtic mythology, let alone one where Brigid held that specific role. I declined to comment, naturally.

I think Wicca deserves a fair bit of blame here with its core principle of all historical gods and goddesses being emanations of one of each; this isn't inherently dangerous if handled with the proper sensitivity, but the Wiccan MO has always been to act like all of the historical antecedents had the same central characteristics as the Horned God and Triple Goddess, rather than assembling a composite understanding of those deities from the various aspects of ancient figures. This, of course, is central to that faith's attempts to make it seem more ancient than it actually is, lest it be perceived as STEALING anything or fundamentally representing its origins as the semen-stained woodland fantasies of a fundamentally conservative old man. I'm one to talk, given that my own interpretation of a unified divinity is heavily syncretic and drawn on several specific predecessors, but I try to acknowledge their unique identities as emanations of the whole.
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« Reply #9 on: October 20, 2021, 04:35:25 AM »

While both are incredible stupid, the Horus one wins.
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« Reply #10 on: October 20, 2021, 12:54:44 PM »

     The second point is more toxic and damaging as it feeds into a broader atheist narrative that religion is the source of the world's ills, but the first one is dumber in the sense of being a sheer cognitive misfire on the part of whoever believes it.
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