Idea: Force politicians to leave office when they run for president or are selected vice president
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« on: October 11, 2021, 03:40:14 PM »

Basically what the title says, but if they lose the election, they can go back to their old office when they get enough signatures to hold a special election, and they win that special election
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« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2021, 02:46:06 PM »

I believe this is actually a constitutional feature in many presidential systems.   But I'd probably want it to be worded like this:

"No Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be eligible to the Office of President." 
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« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2021, 02:30:25 AM »

Why though? What exactly would be the benefit of it?
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« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2021, 11:03:10 AM »

Nah, if their constituents are cool with their Senator/Governor shirking their duties to go run for President after less than a year in office, then then thatís between them and their voter, and the voters will get exactly the level of effective representation they deserve.
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« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2021, 04:37:36 PM »

I believe this is actually a constitutional feature in many presidential systems.

This is the law in Mexico, which is how Ernesto Zedillo became president; when Luis Donaldo Colosio, the PRI candidate in 1994, was assassinated, Zedillo was eligible to replace him on short notice because he was Colosio's campaign manager at the time rather than an officeholder.
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« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2021, 11:07:22 PM »

Why though? What exactly would be the benefit of it?
presumably so that elected officials are focusing on their constituents rather than a national election
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« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2021, 01:19:43 AM »

Nah, if their constituents are cool with their Senator/Governor shirking their duties to go run for President after less than a year in office, then then thatís between them and their voter, and the voters will get exactly the level of effective representation they deserve.

It's possible voters don't realize that this is what their representative/senator will do. For instance, I doubt IL voters, in electing Obama in 2004, assumed he'd just run for president four years later. You can't consider them stupid for not forseeing Obama's presidential bid. I agree with this amendment to an extent - there should be some kind of vote in the state/district in question, and if a majority oppose their congressperson engaging in such shenanigans, then said congressperson must either resign from office or not run, while if a majority don't mind, then the congressperson can run and remain in office.
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« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2021, 10:47:50 AM »

For sure there are benefits to do this, though I would actually prefer to shorten presidential campaigns in general. Candidates shouldn't announce before the fall or winter ahead of the election year, if not even later; inconunction with a reform of primaries. They shouldn't begin a 10 months before the GE. Way too early.

Better in my opinion would be 5 year terms and no midterms, ideally with the senate abolished or drastically reformed so that all legislative members are elected for the same term. If we aren't switching to a parliamentary system, which would be the best solution at all.
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« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2021, 05:14:50 PM »

Why though? What exactly would be the benefit of it?

The rule protects an independent executive, as members of the legislature are required to give up their seats before they are eligible to run.  It also hampers a would-be autocrat interested in consolidating political power from inside the government, as he would be required to "sit out" of national politics for a requisite amount of time before assuming the presidency.  The rule is general protection against an oligarchy of career politicians or bureaucrats, which is something we actually pretty desperately need.
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« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2021, 05:50:27 PM »

If a U.S. Representative is say, selected VP, then the seat remains vacant for months, giving them no representation.
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