Can a man get pregnant

[fhtagn]

I feel like it's high time this thread was locked.

way to ruin the fun, karen 

[Person Man]

Maybe in the distant future there will be people born functionally one sex and eventually become functionally the other sex. This could be in 50 years or 5000 years. The circumstances surrounding it’s passing are hard to predict. Not right now, though.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Men can't get pregnant. If a 'birthing person' gives birth, they are a woman. Trans men can be men, but they clearly aren't if they give birth to a child.

What is it about giving birth which meaningfully changes a person's gender?

What could be more quintessentially feminine than the experience of being pregnant & giving birth ?

[Sol]

I'm aware you firmly believe that trans people don't exist (or whatever circumlocution you would use to say that), I was asking theflyingmongoose whose in-between position appears to be inconsistent.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

I'm aware you firmly believe that trans people don't exist (or whatever circumlocution you would use to say that), I was asking theflyingmongoose whose in-between position appears to be inconsistent.

I don't believe my response was necessarily inconsistent with the idea that trans people exist.

[If my soul was made of stone]

Men can't get pregnant. If a 'birthing person' gives birth, they are a woman. Trans men can be men, but they clearly aren't if they give birth to a child.

What is it about giving birth which meaningfully changes a person's gender?

What could be more quintessentially feminine than the experience of being pregnant & giving birth ?

As a transfeminine person, it breaks my heart that the feminine sacrality of that experience isn't available to me. However, reducing femininity to that is a dangerous antifeminist position that enforces the idea that people aren't anything more than their strict biological function. There's far more to feminine ideas and experiences than just being a baby factory.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

Men can't get pregnant. If a 'birthing person' gives birth, they are a woman. Trans men can be men, but they clearly aren't if they give birth to a child.

What is it about giving birth which meaningfully changes a person's gender?

What could be more quintessentially feminine than the experience of being pregnant & giving birth ?

As a transfeminine person, it breaks my heart that the feminine sacrality of that experience isn't available to me. However, reducing femininity to that is a dangerous antifeminist position that enforces the idea that people aren't anything more than their strict biological function. There's far more to feminine ideas and experiences than just being a baby factory.

You speak of "feminine sacrality" of the experience of pregnancy and birth while calling it "just being a baby factory" ?

[If my soul was made of stone]

Men can't get pregnant. If a 'birthing person' gives birth, they are a woman. Trans men can be men, but they clearly aren't if they give birth to a child.

What is it about giving birth which meaningfully changes a person's gender?

What could be more quintessentially feminine than the experience of being pregnant & giving birth ?

As a transfeminine person, it breaks my heart that the feminine sacrality of that experience isn't available to me. However, reducing femininity to that is a dangerous antifeminist position that enforces the idea that people aren't anything more than their strict biological function. There's far more to feminine ideas and experiences than just being a baby factory.

You speak of "feminine sacrality" of the experience of pregnancy and birth while calling it "just being a baby factory" ?

Said sacrality has been debased and commodified by patriarchy. Nuance, people.

[Mopsus]

Men can't get pregnant. If a 'birthing person' gives birth, they are a woman. Trans men can be men, but they clearly aren't if they give birth to a child.

What is it about giving birth which meaningfully changes a person's gender?

What could be more quintessentially feminine than the experience of being pregnant & giving birth ?

As a transfeminine person, it breaks my heart that the feminine sacrality of that experience isn't available to me. However, reducing femininity to that is a dangerous antifeminist position that enforces the idea that people aren't anything more than their strict biological function. There's far more to feminine ideas and experiences than just being a baby factory.

You speak of "feminine sacrality" of the experience of pregnancy and birth while calling it "just being a baby factory" ?

Said sacrality has been debased and commodified by patriarchy. Nuance, people.

Not just the patriarchy though. One of my sisters is deep into what might be called the "female fertility movement" (and has herself given birth, if credentials are necessary) and she immediately despised the term "birthing person" for in her mind reducing the psycho-spiritual process of motherhood to a biological mechanism.

[comfysarah]

no man has ever gotten pregnant or given birth and no man ever will. it’s a specifically and intrinsically female experience, and the most important and defining one at that.

[President of the great nation of 🏳️‍⚧️]

no man has ever gotten pregnant or given birth and no man ever will. it’s a specifically and intrinsically female experience, and the most important and defining one at that.

I hope uterine transplants become a thing just to see if you react with the ideologically consistent "okay, trans women who get uterine transplants are women" or the more likely "b... but he wasn't born a woman! That's not his uterus!".
If the former, are trans people the gender they say they are without the need for affirming fertility apparatuses, provided they fail to bear children? It's fine if we're not, I just want to gather information about your views.

[Kahane's Grave Is A Gender-Neutral Bathroom]

no man has ever gotten pregnant or given birth and no man ever will. it’s a specifically and intrinsically female experience, and the most important and defining one at that.

I hope uterine transplants become a thing just to see if you react with the ideologically consistent "okay, trans women who get uterine transplants are women" or the more likely "b... but he wasn't born a woman! That's not his uterus!".
If the former, are trans people the gender they say they are without the need for affirming fertility apparatuses, provided they fail to bear children? It's fine if we're not, I just want to gather information about your views.

It's possible the argument comes from that if one has a child, they are 'surrendering' being male. Or, to put it in other terms, if one is truly transgender they wouldn't participate in cisgender things.

[President of the great nation of 🏳️‍⚧️]

no man has ever gotten pregnant or given birth and no man ever will. it’s a specifically and intrinsically female experience, and the most important and defining one at that.

I hope uterine transplants become a thing just to see if you react with the ideologically consistent "okay, trans women who get uterine transplants are women" or the more likely "b... but he wasn't born a woman! That's not his uterus!".
If the former, are trans people the gender they say they are without the need for affirming fertility apparatuses, provided they fail to bear children? It's fine if we're not, I just want to gather information about your views.

It's possible the argument comes from that if one has a child, they are 'surrendering' being male. Or, to put it in other terms, if one is truly transgender they wouldn't participate in cisgender things.

"Cisgender things"?

[Kahane's Grave Is A Gender-Neutral Bathroom]

no man has ever gotten pregnant or given birth and no man ever will. it’s a specifically and intrinsically female experience, and the most important and defining one at that.

I hope uterine transplants become a thing just to see if you react with the ideologically consistent "okay, trans women who get uterine transplants are women" or the more likely "b... but he wasn't born a woman! That's not his uterus!".
If the former, are trans people the gender they say they are without the need for affirming fertility apparatuses, provided they fail to bear children? It's fine if we're not, I just want to gather information about your views.

It's possible the argument comes from that if one has a child, they are 'surrendering' being male. Or, to put it in other terms, if one is truly transgender they wouldn't participate in cisgender things.

"Cisgender things"?

Traditional gender things, like childbirth for women for instance.

[John Dule]

Oh look, this thread is back.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Oh look, this thread is back.

Atlas, multi-page threads about gender, name a more iconic duo than that.

[President of the great nation of 🏳️‍⚧️]

no man has ever gotten pregnant or given birth and no man ever will. it’s a specifically and intrinsically female experience, and the most important and defining one at that.

I hope uterine transplants become a thing just to see if you react with the ideologically consistent "okay, trans women who get uterine transplants are women" or the more likely "b... but he wasn't born a woman! That's not his uterus!".
If the former, are trans people the gender they say they are without the need for affirming fertility apparatuses, provided they fail to bear children? It's fine if we're not, I just want to gather information about your views.

It's possible the argument comes from that if one has a child, they are 'surrendering' being male. Or, to put it in other terms, if one is truly transgender they wouldn't participate in cisgender things.

"Cisgender things"?

Traditional gender things, like childbirth for women for instance.

I get that, it just seems like a weird way of putting it, because just about everything in a 99% cis world is a "cisgender thing".

[Mr. Reactionary]

no man has ever gotten pregnant or given birth and no man ever will. it’s a specifically and intrinsically female experience, and the most important and defining one at that.

I hope uterine transplants become a thing just to see if you react with the ideologically consistent "okay, trans women who get uterine transplants are women" or the more likely "b... but he wasn't born a woman! That's not his uterus!".
If the former, are trans people the gender they say they are without the need for affirming fertility apparatuses, provided they fail to bear children? It's fine if we're not, I just want to gather information about your views.

It's possible the argument comes from that if one has a child, they are 'surrendering' being male. Or, to put it in other terms, if one is truly transgender they wouldn't participate in cisgender things.

"Cisgender things"?

Traditional gender things, like childbirth for women for instance.

I get that, it just seems like a weird way of putting it, because just about everything in a 99% cis world is a "cisgender thing".

All the more reason to discard "cisgender" as a term.

[President of the great nation of 🏳️‍⚧️]

no man has ever gotten pregnant or given birth and no man ever will. it’s a specifically and intrinsically female experience, and the most important and defining one at that.

I hope uterine transplants become a thing just to see if you react with the ideologically consistent "okay, trans women who get uterine transplants are women" or the more likely "b... but he wasn't born a woman! That's not his uterus!".
If the former, are trans people the gender they say they are without the need for affirming fertility apparatuses, provided they fail to bear children? It's fine if we're not, I just want to gather information about your views.

It's possible the argument comes from that if one has a child, they are 'surrendering' being male. Or, to put it in other terms, if one is truly transgender they wouldn't participate in cisgender things.

"Cisgender things"?

Traditional gender things, like childbirth for women for instance.

I get that, it just seems like a weird way of putting it, because just about everything in a 99% cis world is a "cisgender thing".

All the more reason to discard "cisgender" as a term.

Okay, cisgender.

[fhtagn]

Oh look, this thread is back.

It hasn't reached 10 pages yet

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Oh look, this thread is back.

It hasn't reached 10 pages yet

Give it a few hours, it might. This is Atlas, lol.

[fhtagn]

Oh look, this thread is back.

It hasn't reached 10 pages yet

Give it a few hours, it might. This is Atlas, lol.

I'll be sure to get my popcorn ready.

[Devout Centrist]

So many words dedicated to so few

[If my soul was made of stone]

[Sol]

no man has ever gotten pregnant or given birth and no man ever will. it’s a specifically and intrinsically female experience, and the most important and defining one at that.

I hope uterine transplants become a thing just to see if you react with the ideologically consistent "okay, trans women who get uterine transplants are women" or the more likely "b... but he wasn't born a woman! That's not his uterus!".
If the former, are trans people the gender they say they are without the need for affirming fertility apparatuses, provided they fail to bear children? It's fine if we're not, I just want to gather information about your views.

It's possible the argument comes from that if one has a child, they are 'surrendering' being male. Or, to put it in other terms, if one is truly transgender they wouldn't participate in cisgender things.

"Cisgender things"?

Traditional gender things, like childbirth for women for instance.

What if, say, a trans man is forced to carry a child to term by the overturning of Roe v. Wade?