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Question: Do you think there'll be a war between the USA and China in the near future ?
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« on: September 25, 2021, 02:58:48 PM »

Do you think there'll be a war between the USA and China in the near future ?
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« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2021, 02:59:31 PM »

No because nobody wants to fight it
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« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2021, 03:05:55 PM »

Not a full-on one. But smaller-scale proxy wars are possible.
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« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2021, 05:14:18 PM »

Not a full-on one. But smaller-scale proxy wars are possible.

Not Taiwan… but where? Africa? Nobody said anything about land wars there.
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« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2021, 05:31:50 PM »

why would the PRC start a fight they know they'd lose?
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« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2021, 06:18:51 PM »

why would the PRC start a fight they know they'd lose?

Why do you think they would think they'd lose? Our military has not made a particularly good showing in this century.
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« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2021, 06:23:50 PM »

Has there ever been a war between two great powers whose economies are as closely intertwined as China and the US's are? I can't think of any.

On another note, I wish all those obsessed with a hypothetical WWIII would spend more time looking at India and Pakistan and less at China and the US.
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« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2021, 06:25:44 PM »

why would the PRC start a fight they know they'd lose?

Why do you think they would think they'd lose? Our military has not made a particularly good showing in this century.

ok, but what kind of showing have the Chinese military had this century?

I don't understand why people think this is a good argument when discussing US v PRC.  I suppose it's better than all the other arguments one could make in support of the Chinese....which says it all really.
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« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2021, 07:40:18 PM »

I think it becomes increasingly likely each day. China likes to claim defense when they are in fact the aggressor.
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« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2021, 07:45:41 PM »

why would the PRC start a fight they know they'd lose?

Why do you think they would think they'd lose? Our military has not made a particularly good showing in this century.

1 nuke into the Three Gorges Dam is an instant-win for the US. Obviously I can't imagine any US president ever actually doing that, but if Chinese troops are landing in America or something, who knows. And China knows this and will never have any interest in a war for that any many other reasons.
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« Reply #10 on: September 26, 2021, 05:19:22 AM »

No (sane). Such a conflict would inevitably be a nuclear confrontation making our planet uninhabitable. All players know that too well.
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« Reply #11 on: September 26, 2021, 08:16:32 AM »

Why do you think they would think they'd lose? Our military has not made a particularly good showing in this century.

The military has made by all reasonable measures an amazingly good showing in this century. It has achieved K/D ratios as good or better as any military force in the history of the world.

What the US military doesn't do well is nation building and peacekeeping. But those are not military missions, those are fundamentally political operations rather than military operations, and the determinants of success or failure for those lie pretty much entirely in the hands of civilian leadership that is responsible for setting the overall strategic aims and purpose for any use of military force. The military doesn't set overall political strategy, it follows the orders of civilians who set that political strategy. If the political strategy is incoherent and not based on a realistic understanding of the world, then the use of force will fail, regardless of how well or how poorly the military applies that force. That political failure, rather than a military failure, is what happened in Iraq and Afghanistan.

And those small localized peacekeeping operations that the US military was deployed for over the past 20 years are an entirely different matter from a conventional war against another great power (nation-state).

Ironically, if there is any branch of the US military that we should really be criticizing, it is the one branch that was NOT directly involved in Iraq and Afghanistan (except for lobbing the occasional cruise missile etc) - the US Navy.

The US Navy continues to waste the vast majority of its budget on obsolete surface ships that would be pretty much useless in a conflict against a capable nation state, rather than transitioning towards an all or predominantly submarine force. In a war against a capable nation state such as China, aircraft carriers and other surface ships would be easy prey for anti-ship missiles, and would either all quickly be sunk, or else be forced to stay in port and/or far away from the fighting.
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« Reply #12 on: September 26, 2021, 09:20:56 AM »

The US military may have a bad record at peacekeeping operations, but it's all been stuff that we've recovered from and eventually pulled out of with relatively low casualties. The record of initial participants in conventional major wars can be found in WW1 and WW2 and it's not pretty. Even the "winners" came out in worse shape than they went in. (Keep in mind the US was not an initial participant in either conflict, and arguably benefited immensely from doing the proportionately least amount of actual fighting among major powers). And that's without the complication of nuclear weapons.
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