Survey: 21 million Americans say Biden is ‘illegitimate’ and Trump should be restored by violence

[ProudModerate2]

There are tens of millions of Americans that are as deplorable as Reaganfan, with dangerous fascist and authoritarian tendencies. All the Republican misinformation is putting US democracy at risk.

Now there is a name I have not seen in a while.

[S019]

Compare this with the large majority of people under 30 who in 2017 said Trump was an illegitimate president. And like PR said, I'm sure a non-negligible number of these had less than tranquil rhetoric about it.

Political discourse in this country has degenerated beyond repair, and it will only continue to get worse.

Well they were in the right.

Nah. Bush Jr. was very likely illegitimate, though.

Are you talking about Florida/Bush v. Gore, or the Ohio stuff in 2004?

I don't think there was much merit to the Ohio stuff but the 2000 election was flat out stolen.

2000 was not stolen : https://www.cnn.com/2015/10/31/politics/bush-gore-2000-election-results-studies/index.html

Yeah, Gore did probably win more votes, but he likely would have lost the recounts, side note, but after 2000, recount procedure became much more standardized to prevent something like 2000 happening again.

Its also very possible 2000 election would have ended up in Congress where the House elects Bush and the 50/50 senate may elect Lieberman

I don't think so, that's a last ditch thing, if the recounts were allowed to continue, they would've been allowed to continue, the court probably would push back the Electoral College meeting date or something.

[Del Tachi]

Compare this with the large majority of people under 30 who in 2017 said Trump was an illegitimate president. And like PR said, I'm sure a non-negligible number of these had less than tranquil rhetoric about it.

Political discourse in this country has degenerated beyond repair, and it will only continue to get worse.

No you can not "compare" it.
There was no driving force from a sitting president or past president, constantly pushing BS that the election was rigged, and that our election methods are a sham. Nor were there constant streams of Congress-people doing the same thing. Or to add more, one party asking for bogus election recounts, looking for "bamboo fibers," and evidence of tampering by "Italian space satellites," etc, etc.
I'm sure it makes you feel warm inside to "compare it," but it's not even close to the same pro-trump, pro-GOP nonsense we are (still) seeing today.

Never mind that House Democrats spent the whole of 2019 and early part of 2020 pushing political articles of impeachment over a fake "Russian interference" narrative that was summarily disproven by the Mueller report.  Or that Democrat darlings like Stacey Abrams have, much like Trump, refused to concede legitimately contested elections that didn't go their way.

[All Along The Watchtower]

a fake "Russian interference" narrative that was summarily disproven by the Mueller report.  

Why must you lie?

The Russian government interfered in the 2016 presidential election in sweeping and systematic fashion.

Although the investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the Campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts, the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.

https://www.justice.gov/archives/sco/file/1373816/download

[OSR stands with Israel]

Compare this with the large majority of people under 30 who in 2017 said Trump was an illegitimate president. And like PR said, I'm sure a non-negligible number of these had less than tranquil rhetoric about it.

Political discourse in this country has degenerated beyond repair, and it will only continue to get worse.

Well they were in the right.

Nah. Bush Jr. was very likely illegitimate, though.

Are you talking about Florida/Bush v. Gore, or the Ohio stuff in 2004?

I don't think there was much merit to the Ohio stuff but the 2000 election was flat out stolen.

2000 was not stolen : https://www.cnn.com/2015/10/31/politics/bush-gore-2000-election-results-studies/index.html

Yeah, Gore did probably win more votes, but he likely would have lost the recounts, side note, but after 2000, recount procedure became much more standardized to prevent something like 2000 happening again.

Its also very possible 2000 election would have ended up in Congress where the House elects Bush and the 50/50 senate may elect Lieberman

I don't think so, that's a last ditch thing, if the recounts were allowed to continue, they would've been allowed to continue, the court probably would push back the Electoral College meeting date or something.

Can the deadline be pushed back cause that is why the 5-4 ruling happened as they ruled that they didn’t have the time to do a proper recount in the time period left . Many people forget that there were two seperate rulings in Bush vs Gore


There was one that was 7-2 ruling that the method  Florida used to recount votes violated the equal protection clause

The 5-4 one was they didn’t have the time to devise and implement a proper recount


What should have happened was , Florida should have done a full on statewide recount to begin with rather than the process they chose