Minneapolis poll on local leaders and the ballot measures

[Oryxslayer]

I don't support question 2 because it replaces the police department with something else.

Abolish the police means abolish the police, not "disband and replace with something else under a similar name"

Well abolish the police completely is almost guaranteed to fail, that one ultra-Democrat suburb in Chicagoland this year that voted against 80 to 20. If it continues under a completely different name (the Department of War becoming the Department of Defense), it allows a certain segment of partisans to claim victory that they abolished the police while really the police are still in force. So virtue signaling bullsh**t.

I mean, reconstitution offers some advantages for the advocates, and there are favorable examples to point to. You end the police department, effectively firing all the institutional rot that has built up. The new department can start from scratch and put all the reforms viewed as necessary into it's code without pushback. It then can begin to rehire, but those that disagreed with the reforms won't be signing on. New guys will who accept the new order.

Very similar to union busting, and it works cause the executive holds the majority of leverage.

Same s*** is weirdly enough happening with vaccine mandates. Partisan Cops, state troopers, and other enforcers are resigning rather than take the shot which is clearing out institutional rot and opening the door for a new generation without memory of a time before reforms.

[Oryxslayer]

I don't support question 2 because it replaces the police department with something else.

Abolish the police means abolish the police, not "disband and replace with something else under a similar name"

Well abolish the police completely is almost guaranteed to fail, that one ultra-Democrat suburb in Chicagoland this year that voted against 80 to 20. If it continues under a completely different name (the Department of War becoming the Department of Defense), it allows a certain segment of partisans to claim victory that they abolished the police while really the police are still in force. So virtue signaling bullsh**t.

I mean, reconstitution offers some advantages for the advocates, and there are favorable examples to point to. You end the police department, effectively firing all the institutional rot that has built up. The new department can start from scratch and put all the reforms viewed as necessary into it's code without pushback. It then can begin to rehire, but those that disagreed with the reforms won't be signing on. New guys will who accept the new order.

So you want to disband the Iraqi Army, and then reconstitute a new Iraqi Army?

This board can be Reddit sometimes.

Except it has historically worked in a number of locales because law enforcement is a tiny % of the population compared to an army. You can afford to piss off several thousand to give jobs to another several thousand. The job market isn't also going through a warzone, you got plenty of other options that would value your experience but not put others lives in danger. This is why states and cities are fine with a good number of cops resigning right now over COVID, cause they know they can find new people and the resignees are happy to go somewhere where they don't have to take the shot.

Scabbing would never have become a thing if labor wasn't replaceable.